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The M4 is the softest shooting shotgun. If you think it recoils to much you've never shot one. View Quote Shoot my M4 and my 1301 Tactical back to back and you'll see exactly how soft shooting the M4 is. Both have Mesa Tactical stocks on them and the difference in recoil is substantial. |
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I just came here to let the op know my Benelli M4 is freaking awesome
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Using an 18" barreled 7 shot heavy ass combat shotgun for 3 gun is like shooting USPSA Production class with a Shield. Sure you can do it but why would you? View Quote I shoot USPSA Limited with a stock 15 round VP9 from AIWB concealed. I use that same VP9 along with a Steyr AUG and a Benelli M4 in 3-gun. I'm quite competitive with those guns as well (almost always in the top 10% of local/regional matches). |
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I love mine. Has a Scalar Works mount with a T1 micro, titanium 7 round tube, and an IWC light mount. One hell of a hog gun out of my tripod stand. View Quote |
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Didn't say they were better for military purposes. The thing is tough. But for civilian purposes the M4 has no advantages because the others are more than durable enough for civilian purposes. View Quote |
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I love mine, don't shoot it much but it is a great iconic piece.
It is a perfect bedside gun. I have other shotguns for upland hunting (citori 725) duck and goose hunting (sbe2) and I have two police 870's for bear guns in AK. Shotguns have their place and I don't have any interest in ever selling mine. |
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Cheaper... yes. Better for what? Nothing beats a M4 for high volume full power buckshot/slug durability and reliability (the Battlefield Vegas guys can attest to that). View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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There are cheaper and better guns out there. Better for what? Nothing beats a M4 for high volume full power buckshot/slug durability and reliability (the Battlefield Vegas guys can attest to that). |
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Because some people like to shoot the guns they actually carry/use? I shoot USPSA Limited with a stock 15 round VP9 from AIWB concealed. I use that same VP9 along with a Steyr AUG and a Benelli M4 in 3-gun. I'm quite competitive with those guns as well (almost always in the top 10% of local/regional matches). View Quote |
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I enjoy shooting competition and three gun is a favorite of mine but admittedly I shoot against myself with my work guns.
I understand guys that shoot guns built strictly for competition but there is a rewarding feeling to beating guys running a Glock, SBR and my Benelli M4 |
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Honestly, the only reason I hang on to mine is for USMC nostalgia. It's a lot like my 870: covered in a thick layer of dust.
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I use that same VP9 along with a Steyr AUG and a Benelli M4 in 3-gun. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Good for you if thats what you want to do. Doesn't change the fact that an M4 is far from optimal for a 3 gun shotgun. View Quote Every once in a while I'll design a shotgun stage with a fairly tight (say 3' wide) hallway with multiple shoot thru barrels inset into the walls at various heights and intervals then end it with a variation on the "Cooper tunnel" where you have to go prone in a tight space. The guys with 26"+ barrels and 14+ round extended tubes have a hell of a time getting into and out of all the tight spaces quickly and watching them have to load singles or doubles because they haven't practiced quads while prone or halfway into a shoot barrel is also amusing to me. |
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The question being posed is why are Benelli M4's being sold off on the EE forum.
Let's stay on topic. |
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That depends on who designs the stages. Every once in a while I'll design a shotgun stage with a fairly tight (say 3' wide) hallway with multiple shoot thru barrels inset into the walls at various heights and intervals then end it with a variation on the "Cooper tunnel" where you have to go prone in a tight space. The guys with 26"+ barrels and 14+ round extended tubes have a hell of a time getting into and out of all the tight spaces quickly and watching them have to load singles or doubles because they haven't practiced quads while prone or halfway into a shoot barrel is also amusing to me. View Quote |
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Agree. While M4s aren't Mossberg-level junk, they're waaay overrated. I don't care how many 'John Wick' fantasy films you see them in. That only makes them attractive eye-candy, not a hard-use weapon. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Agree. While M4s aren't Mossberg-level junk, they're waaay overrated. I don't care how many 'John Wick' fantasy films you see them in. That only makes them attractive eye-candy, not a hard-use weapon. View Quote |
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My M4 worked but I was present for a discussion once between a Marine LTC of good reputation and a prominent tactical shotgun gunsmith centered on what could be done to make his M4s work, finally.
But that was 13 years ago now. |
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Wow, you can't even make comments like these up, lol. It's the most hard use shotgun in existence, I do hope that your comment had an undertone of sarcasm. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Agree. While M4s aren't Mossberg-level junk, they're waaay overrated. I don't care how many 'John Wick' fantasy films you see them in. That only makes them attractive eye-candy, not a hard-use weapon. |
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Cool guy guns that don't really get used would be my guess. Seriously what's the point of a $2k shotgun when a AR15 is clearly the better weapon? View Quote |
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LOL...I exclusively use a P30L with a Steyr AUG and a Benelli M4 in my 3-gun. (we are 3-gun soul mates) I shoot with what I would actually use if it really counted...not interested in saving half a second on my time if I have to use a 6 foot long shotgun to do it View Quote Just my .02 Oh, and by the way.................love my M4 shotty as well. |
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Thanks everyone, this thread has exceeded my expectations great information.
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VEPR-12 is badass (assuming you get one with good gas port alignment). I got one of the tack welded folders a few months ago.
I have an old M1 Entry that's awesome too. I plan to SBS the VEPR and make it fold. I've never seen a QC issue on a Benelli. I think the M4 is the best tube-fed combat shotgun and the VEPR is the best mag-fed combat shotgun. It's up to you which style you like. I like how the VEPR can be short, but keep big mag capacity with fast reloads. I'm not much of a shotgun guy though. I'd rather have a carbine or SMG. Botach recently sold out of some LE traded M4 Entry (14") shotguns with Surefire rails for $1200 each. That's the best deal anyone's heard of. |
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I had one. Not a fan of the PG stocks on shotgun. Sold it. My M1 Super 90s and FN SLP fit the bill.
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know... but I have my M1 and SLP set up exactly how I like it. I grew up bird hunting. PG stocks never worked for me on shotguns. The M4 is a fantastic shotgun. I got it for a steal and sold it for profit.
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I have 5 M4: factory SBS, M4 field stock, regular black M4, cerakote brown, NP3. Also have an M1S90, lots of Beretta O/Us, SxSs, etc.
At the end of the world, if I had to pick one to stay alive, it would be the M4 field stock without a doubt. |
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biggest problem owning an M4, you can no longer day dream about buying another tactical shotgun because what would be the freaking point... Its a Ferrari with Toyota reliability, not the new Toyotas, like 1990s Toyota.
I bought an entry model so I would have to spend a bunch of cash dealing with 922 issues restoring the mag tube. However, those recent Botach deals make me feel sad, what is the point of spending over $2k with a collapsible stock if they let anyone buy one for $1200... |
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shotgun certainly still have a role to play. Not every response needs an AR or suppressed super tactical militant roll out. When I leave the suburbs I'll be heading to rural PA, 25 acres with some woods and other houses around. A shotgun with buck shot could handle anything from the proverbial fox in the hen house to a small black bear, to a meth head. All with less worry about stray rounds going over the hills into the neighbors house. An easy swap to a different round could work for snakes, ground hogs, etc.
Will I have an AR handy? Sure. But would I feel undergunned with a decent semi auto shotgun instead? nope. I've wanted a benelli like this for a while. I had a nova and super nova, but run a winchester SX2 in 3 gun and sporting clay games. I have thousands of rounds through it, but it's usually cleaned and put away lube. If I lived a harder life, I would need a better version of it, and that would be the M4. Semi autos take out a lot of the recoil, which allows you to put rounds on target fast. sure we all have dreams of defending our family from a horde or cartel with well aimed AR fire, but realistically I'm like to see one jackass hop my fence. 12 gauge does just fine. If I can't hit it (which is farther than you think, I've shot buck to 80 or so yards and slugs to almost 200) it's probably not my problem. |
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I put on the collapsible stock and a +1 or +2 tube. I just love it. I have a Mossberg shockwave. I'd like to add an 870 to the mix someday.
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Sold my M4 years ago. To ME, too heavy and limited as it was. Got a M2 and never looked back.
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Dont know about you guy, but I spent too much money on my m4 (equiped with RMR and salvo) to let it sit in the safe and not be put to use. I take mine out every year bird hunting and squirrel hunting.
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Please, elaborate. View Quote Carriercomp magazine tubes will shave 5.5 ounces off the front end. Scalarworks top rails will trim a few ounces. Polymer trigger guards will shave a few ounces. Don't hang a bunch of aftermarket crap on it. The oem handguards are the best handguards. Recoil reduction A custom fit Limbsaver pad will reduce perceived recoil by approximately 40%. You can dump a mag tube of buckshot or slugs in under a second while being on target if you had to. Think bear medicine or tweaker zombie clown. Further reduction in perceived recoil can be gained from the NP3+ plating process of key components. It takes out a lot of the mechanical harsh movements of components. Even racking the bolt, you can feel the difference. Instead of the bolt hitting the hammer and causing an impediment to overcome with force, the impediment is smoothed over. Learning to shoot an auto loader shotgun The Rob Haught method of pushing forward with your support arm while pulling in with your trigger hand will enhance your control over each shot. Keep it right in the shoulder pocket. Don't let it move around or out of the pocket. If your sling is getting in the way of getting your stock seated in the pocket of your shoulder, consider attaching it to the outside mount on the ejection port side (for right handers). This will help control the roll of the shotgun when slung too. |
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Wow, 5.5oz. good to know.
I used the push/pull method for pumps as well |
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Only because 3-gun was mentioned, I've seen a few shooters run them and they do fine with them. However, the biggest reason you'll see most run the M2 is
1) it's easier to customize since there are more competition-oriented parts for it 2) a vent rib barrel is faster to shoot than ghost ring sights 3) it's lighter Disclaimer: I run a TTI Benelli M2 but there are several great choices for the game including the Beretta 1301 Competition |
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Weight reduction: Carriercomp magazine tubes will shave 5.5 ounces off the front end. * * * View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Please, elaborate. Carriercomp magazine tubes will shave 5.5 ounces off the front end. * * * Second, my Steven 311R dbl is significantly lighter than any M-4 - including the non-tricked-out variants - points better, ... and the second blast of buckshot out the tube will be just as quick as any semi. After that, I'll default to grabbing my AR/SBR or .45 pistol. |
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