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Posted: 2/10/2017 5:36:30 PM EDT
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in the link above i could not find a definition of a shotgun.
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Posted: 2/10/2017 6:17:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.46.htm
(10) "Short-barrel firearm" means a rifle with a barrel length of less than 16 inches or a shotgun with a barrel length of less than 18 inches, or any weapon made from a shotgun or rifle if, as altered, it has an overall length of less than 26 inches. seems to be a bit fuzzy in definition. That's the language in the law that's kept me from contemplating building one. Federal law defines shotgun as something w/ a stock. Texas law does not - what we get for half-ass incorporating the NFA in our state code. |
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Posted: 2/10/2017 6:32:16 PM EDT
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That's the language in the law that's kept me from contemplating building one. Federal law defines shotgun as something w/ a stock. Texas law does not - what we get for half-ass incorporating the NFA in our state code. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.46.htm
(10) "Short-barrel firearm" means a rifle with a barrel length of less than 16 inches or a shotgun with a barrel length of less than 18 inches, or any weapon made from a shotgun or rifle if, as altered, it has an overall length of less than 26 inches. seems to be a bit fuzzy in definition. That's the language in the law that's kept me from contemplating building one. Federal law defines shotgun as something w/ a stock. Texas law does not - what we get for half-ass incorporating the NFA in our state code. The part in bold "If, as altered"... the PGO Shockwave firearm, at least factory-fresh from Mossberg was never "altered" it was originally built that way and does not have an overall length of less than 26 inches. And they are all "OR" statements, not AND statements. "ANDs" are required, all ANDs must be true, not one of many choices. "ORs" are separate individual circumstances. |
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Posted: 2/10/2017 10:57:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The part in bold "If, as altered"... the PGO Shockwave firearm, at least factory-fresh from Mossberg was never "altered" it was originally built that way and does not have an overall length of less than 26 inches. And they are all "OR" statements, not AND statements. "ANDs" are required, all ANDs must be true, not one of many choices. "ORs" are separate individual circumstances. I'll let Mossberg's lawyers make the decision for me. If they sell it here, then I'll buy one or build one; if they don't, I'll put it on my list to write my legislators about - but it'll be pretty far down the list. |
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Posted: 2/12/2017 2:10:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/12/2017 4:45:09 PM EDT
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I did to, but I'm glad Mossberg is making them now.
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Posted: 2/24/2017 7:05:27 PM EDT
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So what cases are you all using for yours not sheaths. I'm looking for hard cases Mine sits in a full size case at moment. Also anyone shoot one with a dragon breath round/phosphorous round?
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Posted: 2/24/2017 8:24:22 PM EDT
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For those thinking about adding a sling:
Do not use the mounts that attach between the receiver and the Raptor grip. Your hand will eventually make contact with the sling mount when you shoot it. Ask me how I know........ 
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Posted: 2/24/2017 10:29:39 PM EDT
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For those thinking about adding a sling: Do not use the mounts that attach between the receiver and the Raptor grip. Your hand will eventually make contact with the sling mount when you shoot it. Ask me how I know........ There needs to be a sling point at the rear of the grip. That plus a bungee single point would help stabilize the gun while firing. |
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Posted: 2/25/2017 12:55:27 PM EDT
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Stupid Oklahoma laws, I was going to buy one as an easy SBS but noooooo, they're illegal in OK. Crap! They are? I was getting pumped up to buy one, never even thought it would be illegal at state level! 
I'll have to go read up on our laws I guess, maybe, as others above have said, we'll be good to go since its not a "shotgun" and just a "firearm" in a factory configuration. |
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Posted: 2/26/2017 12:10:01 AM EDT
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Crap! They are? I was getting pumped up to buy one, never even thought it would be illegal at state level!
I'll have to go read up on our laws I guess, maybe, as others above have said, we'll be good to go since its not a "shotgun" and just a "firearm" in a factory configuration. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Stupid Oklahoma laws, I was going to buy one as an easy SBS but noooooo, they're illegal in OK. Crap! They are? I was getting pumped up to buy one, never even thought it would be illegal at state level!
I'll have to go read up on our laws I guess, maybe, as others above have said, we'll be good to go since its not a "shotgun" and just a "firearm" in a factory configuration. "It is illegal to possess a sawed-off shotgun (barrel less than 18 inches) or a sawed-off rifle (barrel less than 16 inches or total length less than 26 inches). Possessing a sawed-off weapon in a felony punishable by a maximum of 2 years in prison."
"A. “Sawed-off shotgun” shall mean any firearm capable of discharging a series of projectiles of any material which may reasonably be expected to be able to cause lethal injury, with a barrel or barrels less than eighteen (18) inches in length, and using either gunpowder, gas or any means of rocket propulsion." Oklahoma law has its own definition for shotgun, one that would also include stuff like a Judge or Governor revolver. Either way it's a felony in OK unlesss it's on a stamped Form 1/4 etc. as per TITLE 21 § 1289.18 |
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Posted: 2/26/2017 8:07:04 PM EDT
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its going to be interesting if they will sell them in states where they appear to be illegal by the letter of the law.
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Posted: 2/27/2017 11:22:25 AM EDT
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Never bothered before now, but I guess I better find out how the state of Florida views this subject.
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Posted: 2/27/2017 8:27:46 PM EDT
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True local jurisdiction as well can make it a felony. So Federal law, state law, city laws must be checked to be truly safe( if you live in a city corporation limit).
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Posted: 2/27/2017 8:38:54 PM EDT
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Does anyone foresee any issue with making the shockwave grip from an old wood stock to the same dimensions. I've got an extra wood stock and forearm that would look slick on one.
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Posted: 2/27/2017 8:57:35 PM EDT
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True local jurisdiction as well can make it a felony. So Federal law, state law, city laws must be checked to be truly safe( if you live in a city corporation limit). In Florida, state firearms law trumps city/county/municipal laws. Its to prevent local AWB's and other such measures from popping up in the liberal enclaves. I'm just not sure how Florida views these guns on a state level. |
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Posted: 2/27/2017 10:10:41 PM EDT
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Does anyone foresee any issue with making the shockwave grip from an old wood stock to the same dimensions. I've got an extra wood stock and forearm that would look slick on one. I don't see an issue if your using a Shockwave 590. If you mean cut down and add to a previously stock shotgun then that would be making a unregistered/undocumented AOW/SBS. CD |
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Posted: 2/28/2017 7:01:29 PM EDT
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Do we have a list of states it is OK to own one of these? Is Georgia good to go?
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Posted: 3/1/2017 12:04:14 AM EDT
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its going to be interesting if they will sell them in states where they appear to be illegal by the letter of the law. I'm not sure how enforceable that would be in some states though. According to Oklahoma law as I read it the .410 revolvers are illegal and the .410 Contender is illegal as well. I haven't seen them enforcing that so when do you get to decide to enforce a law on one item and ignore a whole host of other items violating the exact same law? |
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Posted: 3/1/2017 12:33:43 AM EDT
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I'm not sure how enforceable that would be in some states though. According to Oklahoma law as I read it the .410 revolvers are illegal and the .410 Contender is illegal as well. I haven't seen them enforcing that so when do you get to decide to enforce a law on one item and ignore a whole host of other items violating the exact same law? They might be hiding behind the .45 LC chambering. |
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Posted: 3/1/2017 9:08:55 AM EDT
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They might be hiding behind the .45 LC chambering. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not sure how enforceable that would be in some states though. According to Oklahoma law as I read it the .410 revolvers are illegal and the .410 Contender is illegal as well. I haven't seen them enforcing that so when do you get to decide to enforce a law on one item and ignore a whole host of other items violating the exact same law? They might be hiding behind the .45 LC chambering. OK says any firearm "capable of discharging a series of projectiles" is a shotgun. The way I read it a 22 pistol with ratshot becomes a sawed off shotgun.
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Posted: 3/1/2017 10:37:54 AM EDT
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OK says any firearm "capable of discharging a series of projectiles" is a shotgun. The way I read it a 22 pistol with ratshot becomes a sawed off shotgun. You're forgetting one has the rifled barrel and the other is a smooth bore. CD |
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Posted: 3/1/2017 10:57:08 AM EDT
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You're forgetting one has the rifled barrel and the other is a smooth bore. CD Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OK says any firearm "capable of discharging a series of projectiles" is a shotgun. The way I read it a 22 pistol with ratshot becomes a sawed off shotgun. You're forgetting one has the rifled barrel and the other is a smooth bore. CD State law says nothing about rifling. ETA: There is language about what a firearm is "primarily designed" to do, you would have to make the case that shotshells are an afterthought in regards to firearms like the Judge instead of that being what it was primarily designed for. That would cover things like 22 ratshot, I did forget about that. It's a poorly written law. |
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Posted: 3/1/2017 3:00:48 PM EDT
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There needs to be a sling point at the rear of the grip. That plus a bungee single point would help stabilize the gun while firing. You are absolutely right. |
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Posted: 3/4/2017 12:47:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Oklahoma law has its own definition for shotgun, one that would also include stuff like a Judge or Governor revolver. Either way it's a felony in OK unlesss it's on a stamped Form 1/4 etc. as per TITLE 21 § 1289.18 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Stupid Oklahoma laws, I was going to buy one as an easy SBS but noooooo, they're illegal in OK. Crap! They are? I was getting pumped up to buy one, never even thought it would be illegal at state level!
I'll have to go read up on our laws I guess, maybe, as others above have said, we'll be good to go since its not a "shotgun" and just a "firearm" in a factory configuration. "It is illegal to possess a sawed-off shotgun (barrel less than 18 inches) or a sawed-off rifle (barrel less than 16 inches or total length less than 26 inches). Possessing a sawed-off weapon in a felony punishable by a maximum of 2 years in prison."
"A. “Sawed-off shotgun” shall mean any firearm capable of discharging a series of projectiles of any material which may reasonably be expected to be able to cause lethal injury, with a barrel or barrels less than eighteen (18) inches in length, and using either gunpowder, gas or any means of rocket propulsion." Oklahoma law has its own definition for shotgun, one that would also include stuff like a Judge or Governor revolver. Either way it's a felony in OK unlesss it's on a stamped Form 1/4 etc. as per TITLE 21 § 1289.18 Dang 
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Posted: 3/6/2017 3:30:58 PM EDT
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So what cases are you all using for yours not sheaths. I'm looking for hard cases Mine sits in a full size case at moment. Also anyone shoot one with a dragon breath round/phosphorous round? I got this for mine. Perfect fit fit the shockwave plus my AK pistol and my cz p-01 https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campId=5337559805&toolId=10001&customId=izyi547dvh00zk8a00004&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2FVISM-NcSTAR-Range-Padded-Carry-Bag-Discreet-Padded-Carbine-Rifle-Gun-Case-Tan-%2F132000752543 |
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Posted: 3/6/2017 3:54:09 PM EDT
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Talked to Mossberg today, they say these will not ship until June.
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Posted: 3/6/2017 6:31:26 PM EDT
[#29]
i picked up one today. paid 469.00 but i am impatient.
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Posted: 3/6/2017 7:46:01 PM EDT
[#30]
got mine! It's awesome!!!
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Posted: 3/6/2017 8:34:21 PM EDT
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Talked to Mossberg today, they say these will not ship until June. They are already being stocked and sold in many shops and online whoever you spoke with is misinformed. Now if I can figure out how to mount a bayonet on mine 
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Posted: 3/6/2017 11:19:05 PM EDT
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They are already being stocked and sold in many shops and online whoever you spoke with is misinformed. Now if I can figure out how to mount a bayonet on mine Really? I have a rep at Acusport waiting to get one to send me, Just waiting for him to say one arrived. |
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Posted: 3/7/2017 1:03:31 AM EDT
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Talked to Mossberg today, they say these will not ship until June. The following post contradicts ur statement |
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Posted: 3/7/2017 1:10:04 PM EDT
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The following post contradicts ur statement Well obviously Mossberg needs to train their people better to know when things are actually shipping. |
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Posted: 3/7/2017 4:32:09 PM EDT
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Yup, one just hit my local shop. Guy showed it for sale on Facebook. Sold for $399 in about 5 minutes
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Posted: 3/7/2017 6:33:42 PM EDT
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It's hard to tell on the misinformation at times. I just know I believe what I can see and hold. I'm very pleased they are shipping and being stocked already. These will sell fast so unless you preorder or buy it online good luck on getting one.
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Posted: 3/7/2017 7:10:23 PM EDT
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First in line at my LGS and patiently waiting !!!
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Posted: 3/7/2017 8:38:55 PM EDT
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Every site listed on slickguns is out of stock. :(
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Posted: 3/7/2017 10:48:22 PM EDT
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Yep unless you preorder you'll be waiting a bit. I talked with a buddy who works at local ffl and they have 6 on order and have yet to receive even one yet. So maybe demand will get Mossberg to think and maybe make these in 20 gauge I think that would so sweet. I think a 20 gauge shock wave would be easier to shoot and just sweet.
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Posted: 3/7/2017 11:32:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are already being stocked and sold in many shops and online whoever you spoke with is misinformed. Now if I can figure out how to mount a bayonet on mine Given how far forward the pump goes, think you'd have to mount the bayonet lugs sideways on the bbl. As someone who's fired both 12 & 20 ga buck from the hip, a 20 ga in this would be sweet. Preferably w/ choke tubes. |
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Posted: 3/8/2017 12:30:58 PM EDT
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Needs porting.
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Posted: 3/8/2017 5:58:30 PM EDT
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Chokes can be added easy same with porting by a decent shotgun barrel smith. There is a guy on shotgun world that does the choke work. You can choose the type of choke threads you prefer to. I would love this setup on a 20 gauge.
Heck if I can just buy a 20 gauge pgo I'll cut the barrel or have it cut and choked and bead sight added. |
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Posted: 3/9/2017 6:02:21 PM EDT
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What sling options you guys using???
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Posted: 3/10/2017 7:49:32 PM EDT
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What sling options you guys using??? I just wrapped the grip with paracord and use a cheap single point clip on sling. picture is above. You could easily put a sling stud on the grip as well if you look at the front of my mag cap I have a sling stud installed in my cap. I just need to install my stud into my grip. |
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Posted: 3/10/2017 9:25:07 PM EDT
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How much are these Aguila Minishells going for in your area ? Just seen some at one of my LGS's for 20 bucks a box, 20 rds come in a box.
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Posted: 3/10/2017 10:31:27 PM EDT
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I saw a "Black Aces" 12 ga firearm today @ a Texas gun store. On consignment - so someone thinks they're legal in Texas.
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Posted: 3/11/2017 7:48:50 PM EDT
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Saw a Mossberg for sale today at the FW gunshow - so Mossberg is shipping them to Texas.
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Posted: 3/17/2017 8:32:08 PM EDT
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My new breaching tool came today. New Mossberg 590 Shockwave. 14 inch barrel, Non-NFA FTW.
Paid $419. This thing is so tiny! (That's what she said!  )
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Posted: 3/17/2017 9:04:02 PM EDT
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My new breaching tool came today. New Mossberg 590 Shockwave. 14 inch barrel, Non-NFA FTW. Paid $419. This thing is so tiny! (That's what she said! )
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/241023/IMG-20170317-194200-023-168226.JPG |
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