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Posted: 8/12/2014 7:51:37 PM EDT
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Finished the barrel up. Got it to the belt sander finally smoothed up and straight
 . Also took the sling mouth off for a lil more flush look. Left the fde paint so the cut could be seen better
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Posted: 8/12/2014 7:54:17 PM EDT
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But one that fits the 14" barrel? I can't seem to find them listed by length. The one that came off of my donor PGO 500 is too long. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does anyone know of a source for Mossberg factory/OEM heat shields for the 14" barrel? Midway and Brownells both have them in stock. But one that fits the 14" barrel? I can't seem to find them listed by length. The one that came off of my donor PGO 500 is too long. My heat shield is from a 590, and the barrel is cut down 18.5. So I am not sure if it will work on the factory 14 barrel and tube. As seen above |
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Posted: 8/13/2014 9:35:19 AM EDT
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Maybe I just wasn't looking carefully enough when I laid the heat shield out by the new 14" barrel. I'll check again. Or maybe it was because I've got ghost ring sights on mine.
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Posted: 8/16/2014 2:31:19 PM EDT
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Nope, too long, even if it's a bead front sight.
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Posted: 8/16/2014 3:01:56 PM EDT
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Nope, too long, even if it's a bead front sight. <a href="http://s156.photobucket.com/user/AJ_Dual/media/20140816_131808_zpsube4jhe2.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t33/AJ_Dual/20140816_131808_zpsube4jhe2.jpg</a> Shit you have the 14in factory 590 set up. Mine is a cut down 500. That lil magazine tube made the dif. that lil guy looks fucking sweet tho Can you weld cut a section out in the middle and weld it back .. I have no clue if it would work but I am dumb enough to try hahaha
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Posted: 8/16/2014 4:12:35 PM EDT
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I don't have any welding capability. I thought of too.
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Posted: 8/16/2014 4:30:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't have any welding capability. I thought of too. You don't have a Dremel? |
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Posted: 8/16/2014 4:38:16 PM EDT
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Oh, of course, I'd hacksaw it neatly with a jig and tape so it was neat and square, then dress it with a mill file.
But what then? I trim it at the front, and the clamp with the two bolts is gone. I trim it at the rear, and the spring "C" clamp that grabs the rear by the breech is gone. |
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Posted: 8/16/2014 5:29:53 PM EDT
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Ah, I gotcha. Why were you going to put a bayonet on it?
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Posted: 8/16/2014 7:24:39 PM EDT
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Ah, I gotcha. Why were you going to put a bayonet on it? Wat? No bayonet. The 14" 590 barrel assembly doesn't have the lug or the length even if I wanted a bayonet. Okay, a show of hands here, who has actually seen how a Mossberg 590 heat shield attaches or has ever installed or removed one? 
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Posted: 8/16/2014 7:37:55 PM EDT
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Wat? No bayonet. The 14" 590 barrel assembly doesn't have the lug or the length even if I wanted a bayonet. Okay, a show of hands here, who has actually seen how a Mossberg 590 heat shield attaches or has ever installed or removed one? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ah, I gotcha. Why were you going to put a bayonet on it? Wat? No bayonet. The 14" 590 barrel assembly doesn't have the lug or the length even if I wanted a bayonet. Okay, a show of hands here, who has actually seen how a Mossberg 590 heat shield attaches or has ever installed or removed one? LOL |
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Posted: 8/16/2014 8:04:36 PM EDT
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Wat? No bayonet. The 14" 590 barrel assembly doesn't have the lug or the length even if I wanted a bayonet. Okay, a show of hands here, who has actually seen how a Mossberg 590 heat shield attaches or has ever installed or removed one? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 8/16/2014 8:28:51 PM EDT
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Ok, then, I gotta ask. Why were you going to put a heat shield on it if you weren't going to mount a bayonet? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 8/16/2014 8:32:38 PM EDT
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Ok, then, I gotta ask. Why were you going to put a heat shield on it if you weren't going to mount a bayonet? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 8/16/2014 9:59:26 PM EDT
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Maybe I just wasn't looking carefully enough when I laid the heat shield out by the new 14" barrel. I'll check again. Or maybe it was because I've got ghost ring sights on mine. Withthe rear lined up where it should be is the mount on the front even on the barrel? Chop out a hole for the front sight ala Troy Charlie Battlerail for the A2 front sight. |
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Posted: 8/16/2014 10:34:27 PM EDT
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What does the heat shield have to do with a bayonet? The original purpose for the heat shield on a shotgun was to protect the hand from a hot barrel when doing a bayonet thrust......that was back in 1918. Now the only guys who want a bayonet lug/heat shield on a shotgun are collectors, mall ninjas, video gamers, airsofters and those who think it makes the gun "cool". There is nothing wrong with any of those reasons, but the need for a bayonet lug/heatshield today is largely due to it being tacticool. |
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Posted: 8/16/2014 10:43:21 PM EDT
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Withthe rear lined up where it should be is the mount on the front even on the barrel? Chop out a hole for the front sight ala Troy Charlie Battlerail for the A2 front sight. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe I just wasn't looking carefully enough when I laid the heat shield out by the new 14" barrel. I'll check again. Or maybe it was because I've got ghost ring sights on mine. Withthe rear lined up where it should be is the mount on the front even on the barrel? Chop out a hole for the front sight ala Troy Charlie Battlerail for the A2 front sight. I thought of that, but it is still too long, the bolts for the front are past the muzzle or blocked by the mag tube retaining ring. |
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Posted: 8/16/2014 10:52:57 PM EDT
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The original purpose for the heat shield on a shotgun was to protect the hand from a hot barrel when doing a bayonet thrust......that was back in 1918. Now the only guys who want a bayonet lug/heat shield on a shotgun are collectors, mall ninjas, video gamers, airsofters and those who think it makes the gun "cool". There is nothing wrong with any of those reasons, but the need for a bayonet lug/heatshield today is largely due to it being tacticool. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What does the heat shield have to do with a bayonet? The original purpose for the heat shield on a shotgun was to protect the hand from a hot barrel when doing a bayonet thrust......that was back in 1918. Now the only guys who want a bayonet lug/heat shield on a shotgun are collectors, mall ninjas, video gamers, airsofters and those who think it makes the gun "cool". There is nothing wrong with any of those reasons, but the need for a bayonet lug/heatshield today is largely due to it being tacticool. Exactly. 
I may succumb to the desire to Tapcofuck my more ridiculous range toys, but by golly I'm going to do it with decent OEM parts whenever possible and not uh... Tapco ones, I guess.
But seriously, any extra weight I can add to it is welcome to mitigate recoil. If the parts look at least somewhat correct to other variants Mossberg makes, that's all the better. |
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Posted: 8/16/2014 11:16:38 PM EDT
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Exactly.
I may succumb to the desire to Tapcofuck my more ridiculous range toys, but by golly I'm going to do it with decent OEM parts whenever possible and not uh... Tapco ones, I guess.
But seriously, any extra weight I can add to it is welcome to mitigate recoil. If the parts look at least somewhat correct to other variants Mossberg makes, that's all the better. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What does the heat shield have to do with a bayonet? The original purpose for the heat shield on a shotgun was to protect the hand from a hot barrel when doing a bayonet thrust......that was back in 1918. Now the only guys who want a bayonet lug/heat shield on a shotgun are collectors, mall ninjas, video gamers, airsofters and those who think it makes the gun "cool". There is nothing wrong with any of those reasons, but the need for a bayonet lug/heatshield today is largely due to it being tacticool. Exactly.
I may succumb to the desire to Tapcofuck my more ridiculous range toys, but by golly I'm going to do it with decent OEM parts whenever possible and not uh... Tapco ones, I guess.
But seriously, any extra weight I can add to it is welcome to mitigate recoil. If the parts look at least somewhat correct to other variants Mossberg makes, that's all the better. Is there any clearance between the barrel and the heat shield? Chop out a center section and then brace/reinforce it with a conduit or other thin steel pipe/tubing as a gusset via rivets underneath the shield. I've never had a heat shield so I have no idea how much room you have. |
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Posted: 8/17/2014 9:59:43 AM EDT
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I don't have any welding capability. I thought of too. Take it around to local shops that possibly do welding. Before that's what I used to do, just take the shield in and explain. You may geta what the fuck look, but u will find someone willing to weld it back up. I think the lil guy with the full sights would look bad asss witha cut shield. 
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Posted: 8/17/2014 12:46:14 PM EDT
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Made a forearm hand strap out of some extra multicam I had laying around
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Posted: 8/18/2014 7:01:09 PM EDT
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(F) "Sawed-off firearm" means a shotgun with a barrel less than eighteen inches long, or a rifle with a barrel less than sixteen inches long, or a shotgun or rifle less than twenty-six inches long overall.
Under Ohio law an SBS or SBR with an OAL greater than 26 inches is legal per the state. This Firearm would be a shotgun under Ohio law. It is legal as the definition says "or" rather than "and" like the NFA. |
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Posted: 8/18/2014 7:33:34 PM EDT
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Can any of you post a side by side picture or your 14" Non-NFA shotgun with a standard pistol grip only shotgun?
I took a tape measure to my Mossberg, but it is hard to visualize how much smaller it will seem. Thanks. |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 1:49:41 PM EDT
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Can any of you post a side by side picture or your 14" Non-NFA shotgun with a standard pistol grip only shotgun? I took a tape measure to my Mossberg, but it is hard to visualize how much smaller it will seem. Thanks. As soon as a part arrives I will |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 8:18:05 AM EDT
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If anyone is interested (this isn't my listing)
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=436792456 |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 12:16:09 PM EDT
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Can any of you post a side by side picture or your 14" Non-NFA shotgun with a standard pistol grip only shotgun? I took a tape measure to my Mossberg, but it is hard to visualize how much smaller it will seem. Thanks. As soon as a part arrives I will Like the ergonomics of the grip- safety is easy to reach ( and on this weapon that is a plus) total length 28 inches as is Grip a little slippery IMO so added some friction tape all IS GOOD NOW I'd do it again for the little that is gained I understand if some would not |
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Posted: 8/25/2014 8:08:44 AM EDT
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http://www.capitolarmory.com/mossberg-590a1-12g-aow.html
SO I can order this, ad the pistol grip, pay the $5 tax stamp, and I'm good to go? Is there still some kind of waiting period like there is with NFA times? |
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Posted: 8/25/2014 9:41:47 AM EDT
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http://www.capitolarmory.com/mossberg-590a1-12g-aow.html SO I can order this, ad the pistol grip, pay the $5 tax stamp, and I'm good to go? Is there still some kind of waiting period like there is with NFA times? You can't buy that without filing the paperwork and waiting to receive the tax stamp before taking possession. It is an NFA item. |
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Posted: 8/25/2014 10:45:15 AM EDT
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You can't buy that without filing the paperwork and waiting to receive the tax stamp before taking possession. It is an NFA item. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://www.capitolarmory.com/mossberg-590a1-12g-aow.html SO I can order this, ad the pistol grip, pay the $5 tax stamp, and I'm good to go? Is there still some kind of waiting period like there is with NFA times? You can't buy that without filing the paperwork and waiting to receive the tax stamp before taking possession. It is an NFA item. I thought the whole point was that it WAS NOT an NFA item?? |
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Posted: 8/25/2014 10:47:25 AM EDT
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You can't buy that without filing the paperwork and waiting to receive the tax stamp before taking possession. It is an NFA item. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://www.capitolarmory.com/mossberg-590a1-12g-aow.html SO I can order this, ad the pistol grip, pay the $5 tax stamp, and I'm good to go? Is there still some kind of waiting period like there is with NFA times? You can't buy that without filing the paperwork and waiting to receive the tax stamp before taking possession. It is an NFA item. http://shockwavetechnologies.com/site/?page_id=88 |
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Posted: 8/25/2014 12:12:33 PM EDT
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I thought the whole point was that it WAS NOT an NFA item?? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://www.capitolarmory.com/mossberg-590a1-12g-aow.html SO I can order this, ad the pistol grip, pay the $5 tax stamp, and I'm good to go? Is there still some kind of waiting period like there is with NFA times? You can't buy that without filing the paperwork and waiting to receive the tax stamp before taking possession. It is an NFA item. I thought the whole point was that it WAS NOT an NFA item?? That one is sold specifically as a NFA AOW. It is sold without pistol grip, so as shipped from them it is a smoothbore under 26", and so is an AOW. To add the funny pistol grip, you have to start with a 26" shotgun, add the grip, then swap the bbl. AOW tax stamps are $5, but you have the same wait as any other NFA item. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 1:59:10 AM EDT
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Can any of you post a side by side picture or your 14" Non-NFA shotgun with a standard pistol grip only shotgun? I took a tape measure to my Mossberg, but it is hard to visualize how much smaller it will seem. Thanks. If it helps, I made a you tube video a little while back showing them side by side to show the difference between the two. you tube video It's kinda bad as far as quality goes. I'm not a video making kinda guy (I like working with my hands, not computers). And that auction that was mentioned..... I know who builds those and I can tell you, they are built right. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 2:06:20 AM EDT
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http://i62.tinypic.com/2lix6h4.jpg http://i58.tinypic.com/2cgik1y.jpg http://i62.tinypic.com/2ykmfzr.jpg Like the ergonomics of the grip- safety is easy to reach ( and on this weapon that is a plus) total length 28 inches as is Grip a little slippery IMO so added some friction tape all IS GOOD NOW I'd do it again for the little that is gained I understand if some would not Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can any of you post a side by side picture or your 14" Non-NFA shotgun with a standard pistol grip only shotgun? I took a tape measure to my Mossberg, but it is hard to visualize how much smaller it will seem. Thanks. As soon as a part arrives I will http://i62.tinypic.com/2lix6h4.jpg http://i58.tinypic.com/2cgik1y.jpg http://i62.tinypic.com/2ykmfzr.jpg Like the ergonomics of the grip- safety is easy to reach ( and on this weapon that is a plus) total length 28 inches as is Grip a little slippery IMO so added some friction tape all IS GOOD NOW I'd do it again for the little that is gained I understand if some would not Range rider, your tape is showing about 14 inches but that barrel looks a little over 15 inches. Are you not putting the tape al the way down the bore or something obstructing it? |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 10:13:59 AM EDT
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If it helps, I made a you tube video a little while back showing them side by side to show the difference between the two. you tube video It's kinda bad as far as quality goes. I'm not a video making kinda guy (I like working with my hands, not computers). And that auction that was mentioned..... I know who builds those and I can tell you, they are built right. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can any of you post a side by side picture or your 14" Non-NFA shotgun with a standard pistol grip only shotgun? I took a tape measure to my Mossberg, but it is hard to visualize how much smaller it will seem. Thanks. If it helps, I made a you tube video a little while back showing them side by side to show the difference between the two. you tube video It's kinda bad as far as quality goes. I'm not a video making kinda guy (I like working with my hands, not computers). And that auction that was mentioned..... I know who builds those and I can tell you, they are built right. I've watched your video several times. Thanks for puttin it together. It was the final push for me to start my 14" Mossberg "Firearm" build. Do you think you could take a picture of both the firearms in the video from above, with the receivers next to each other's and the rear of the receivers on the same plane? Trying to get a better comparison of the two. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 11:06:27 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/26/2014 12:11:18 PM EDT
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I've watched your video several times. Thanks for puttin it together. It was the final push for me to start my 14" Mossberg "Firearm" build. Do you think you could take a picture of both the firearms in the video from above, with the receivers next to each other's and the rear of the receivers on the same plane? Trying to get a better comparison of the two. Sure, I could do that later today for you. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 1:32:54 AM EDT
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Here are a few pics. They are both lined up exactly even.
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Here you can see how much shorter the 14" is as well as why all the parts need to be changed.  " />
And here is an overall shot for you.  " />
Hopefully that helps. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 2:07:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here are a few pics. They are both lined up exactly even.
http://<a href=http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc471/leonpiper69/DSCF7106_zpsb6d93b0a.jpg</a>" /> Here you can see how much shorter the 14" is as well as why all the parts need to be changed. http://<a href=http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc471/leonpiper69/DSCF7108_zpse6d3ef7e.jpg</a>" /> And here is an overall shot for you. http://<a href=http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc471/leonpiper69/DSCF7109_zpsfb1199a7.jpg</a>" /> Hopefully that helps.  Could'ja line 'em up side by side with the muzzle's even?
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Posted: 8/27/2014 10:10:25 AM EDT
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No unfortunately I can't do that. We are getting ready for a trip for labor day.
Just out of curiosity, Why muzzles even? I'm not getting what that would help illustrate. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 10:14:08 AM EDT
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Thanks for the comparison pictures. Having that comparison of the front end differences really helps.
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Posted: 8/27/2014 12:35:02 PM EDT
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Thanks for the comparison pictures. Having that comparison of the front end differences really helps. No problem, happy to do it. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 2:52:45 PM EDT
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No unfortunately I can't do that. We are getting ready for a trip for labor day. Just out of curiosity, Why muzzles even? I'm not getting what that would help illustrate. How much bbl you're giving up to get close to the limit. I generally like "rule guns", but adding a longer pistol grip so you can shorten the bbl has never clicked with me. Ceteris paribus, one would always prefer a long bbl. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 11:37:19 PM EDT
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Does Remington offer an 870 variant like this? I really like yours, but just prefer the 870 system.
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Posted: 8/28/2014 12:05:01 AM EDT
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Does Remington offer an 870 variant like this? I really like yours, but just prefer the 870 system. There are a few on Gunbroker, PGO 870s that is. |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 2:44:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does Remington offer an 870 variant like this? I really like yours, but just prefer the 870 system. In the police line, I believe. I've actually emailed Remington on the consumer side & they've denied they actually sell a PG. 
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Posted: 8/28/2014 4:57:30 AM EDT
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Can any of you post a side by side picture or your 14" Non-NFA shotgun with a standard pistol grip only shotgun? I took a tape measure to my Mossberg, but it is hard to visualize how much smaller it will seem. Thanks. As soon as a part arrives I will http://i62.tinypic.com/2lix6h4.jpg http://i58.tinypic.com/2cgik1y.jpg http://i62.tinypic.com/2ykmfzr.jpg Like the ergonomics of the grip- safety is easy to reach ( and on this weapon that is a plus) total length 28 inches as is Grip a little slippery IMO so added some friction tape all IS GOOD NOW I'd do it again for the little that is gained I understand if some would not Range rider, your tape is showing about 14 inches but that barrel looks a little over 15 inches. Are you not putting the tape al the way down the bore or something obstructing it? Good eyes you have Yeah when I measured I forgot it had a snap cap in it |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 10:08:20 PM EDT
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Does Remington offer an 870 variant like this? I really like yours, but just prefer the 870 system. Models 81185, 81187, 81191 etc. There are 4 models total, 3 have the short mag tube with a +2, 81193 has the long mag tube. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 10:52:29 AM EDT
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Shot mine today
Oly crap , recoil is brutal with 3 inch loads First off I am no nancy boy, I shoot 454 , 44 mags all the time no problem I shoot 12 gauges with no recoil pads This thing literally rips itself out of my weak hand and needs gripped in an unconvention manner It has a purpose but fun shooting at the range isn't one of them. Definitely a niche weapon |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 10:59:18 AM EDT
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I'm curious to see how it functions with my "birdslugs". 1oz Lee Foster cast slugs, trap wad, low brass birdshot hull, and 17gr of Hi-Skor 700-X. In theory it kicks less than Federal 100rnd 1-1/8tho #8 3dram bulk pack from Wallyworld, but is still a world of hurt bigger than most any handgun round.
It's a nice low pressure load I've been using in my Saiga 12s for mag dumps and cheap plinking at my gun club, because they don't allow shot on the range as it tears up the backstops and hangers too fast. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 12:34:46 PM EDT
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I found that using the push pull technique works best for this type of weapon.it takes some getting used to.
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