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Posted: 5/13/2020 8:50:01 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By ScottS: Well, there are. Volquartsen makes some. They're just 2-3x the price of an actual, complete new gun.  Wirthwein Guns is an excellent dealer that has lowers from time to time, and if you regulary watch the seller "Gunbuster" or "Gunbuster NE" on Gunbroker, they occassionally have Mk II or Mk III "parts kits" (basically a gun with the receiver destroyed) that include the lower, etc. I had wanted to do this for a while, but was putting it off until I found a reasonably priced "donor" gun; as I said in the OP, I bought a very-good Mk II for the obscene price of $175 on Armslist, and the race was on... Yeah I’m aware of those options but my problem is that complete guns are the same price or less. Twice now I’ve bought guns with the sole purpose of posting it out but can never bring myself to do so. It all started with a Tactical Solutions Paclite upper from way back when. |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 8:56:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NWRed: Cool project, I'd skip the irons and go with a dovetail RDS mount This. Also, I'd love to get chronograph data using CCI standard velocity from a pistol like that. I'd also like to know if it stayed subsonic with super sonic ammo with that short barrel. |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 9:34:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spearogun: I wonder if anyone has shortened a target bull barrel and made it just long enough to where they can mount the normal front sight on the barrel. Absolutely doable. Would result in a ~3-3.25" barrel. |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 9:34:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M16A4: This. Also, I'd love to get chronograph data using CCI standard velocity from a pistol like that. I'd also like to know if it stayed subsonic with super sonic ammo with that short barrel. See the chrono data I posted. |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 9:36:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ScottS]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M16A4: This. Also, I'd love to get chronograph data using CCI standard velocity from a pistol like that. I'd also like to know if it stayed subsonic with super sonic ammo with that short barrel. ETA: I GOTTA learn to type faster. |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 9:41:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ScottS]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE:Yeah I’m aware of those options but my problem is that complete guns are the same price or less. Twice now I’ve bought guns with the sole purpose of posting it out but can never bring myself to do so. It all started with a Tactical Solutions Paclite upper from way back when. It is ludicrous that you can buy takeoff uppers (the actual firearm) from Volquartsen, et al, for under $50, but the lower polymer frame is twice the price of a new gun. WTF is that all about? |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 9:47:38 AM EDT
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I have a spare upper and a 3-D printer. Wonder if I could print a lower?
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Posted: 5/13/2020 11:33:02 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By ScottS: DO NOT buy Pac-Lite upper!! Because you put it on one of your pistols. Then you have one extra upper. Which you can' t bring yourself to part with. Then you need another lower, then you need another upper, and it never ends. Pac-Lite is the gateway drug (upper). Ask me how I know this. It is ludicrous that you can buy takeoff uppers (the actual firearm) from Volquartsen, et al, for under $50, but the lower polymer frame is twice the price of a new gun. WTF is that all about? Supply and demand. Originally Posted By backbencher: I have a spare upper and a 3-D printer. Wonder if I could print a lower? Do it. It’s been discussed for years but nobody has done it that I’m aware of. You also run into the problem of some small parts that aren’t easily available in the aftermarket. I even periodically email Magpul and tell them to build one in fact I’m overdue 
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Posted: 5/13/2020 10:28:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Outrider]
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Here's my chopped MKIV. I want to say it's a hair under 3" barrel. One of my favorite setups that always goes to the range with me. Can is a Q El Camino. The Volquartesen accurizing kit is also recommended and turns these guns into sweet little shooters.
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Posted: 5/14/2020 7:44:40 AM EDT
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I like those grips on the top ruger outrider....
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Posted: 5/31/2020 8:30:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: airgunner]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Outrider: Here's my chopped MKIV. I want to say it's a hair under 3" barrel. One of my favorite setups that always goes to the range with me. Can is a Q El Camino. The Volquartesen accurizing kit is also recommended and turns these guns into sweet little shooters. https://i.imgur.com/xMlPJSc.jpg I love the grips on the lower Paclite upper'ed MKIV! Who made them and where did you get them? I have been seriously considering something like the top one but would love to find someone who can mill the top for an optic instead of using the DT adaptor? |
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Posted: 7/1/2020 8:03:52 PM EDT
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@MK330
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:02:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: F224]
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I made this up awhile ago. It’s a MKII with a Volquartsen trigger, and the front sight is dovetailed into the receiver.
Fixed it, thanks! 
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Posted: 7/2/2020 2:24:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: NWRed]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By F224: I made this up awhile ago. It’s a MKII with a Volquartsen trigger, and the front sight is dovetailed into the receiver.  @F224 you need to use the "img" tag ( looks like a picture of mountains) for images. 
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Posted: 7/4/2020 12:31:05 PM EDT
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F224 That's a beauty!
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Posted: 7/12/2020 7:50:24 AM EDT
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Changed it up a little to make it lighter. We'll see how it runs on the 22/45 lower.
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Posted: 7/15/2020 6:49:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Plumber576]
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I'm doing this.
I was thinking about chopping my stock MkII Target but I don't think I can bring myself to molest that gun. I'm going to do my MkIV 22/45. Plus it'll be easier to take apart to clean from running suppressed. I wish there was some way to add a rail for a light with a 2" barrel. Does anyone know of a clamp-on pic rail that doesn't look outrageous? Thanks for the inspiration. Will post results. Eventually. |
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Posted: 7/15/2020 10:00:16 AM EDT
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You're chopping it. Have the billboard drilled & tapped for a pic rail.
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Posted: 7/15/2020 12:27:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Plumber576: I'm doing this. I was thinking about chopping my stock MkII Target but I don't think I can bring myself to molest that gun. I'm going to do my MkIV 22/45. Plus it'll be easier to take apart to clean from running suppressed. I wish there was some way to add a rail for a light with a 2" barrel. Does anyone know of a clamp-on pic rail that doesn't look outrageous? Thanks for the inspiration. Will post results. Eventually. http://www.performanceservicesmachining.com/ruger-22-products/ruger-2245-mark-ii-mark-iii-bolt-on-under-barrel-picatinny-rail/ |
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Posted: 7/15/2020 8:26:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Plumber576]
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Originally Posted By backbencher: You're chopping it. Have the billboard drilled & tapped for a pic rail. Interesting idea. I like the way you think. I ended up finding that last night and have it bookmarked. Was hoping to find something more low-profile but this would work. |
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Posted: 7/24/2020 1:44:23 PM EDT
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I stumbled into this thread and had been wanting to do something similar with my Ruger Standard.
My Ruger Standard Mk1 is from 1952, used and in good - very good with some wear on it - Is it a sin for chopping an earlier standard model? It cost me only like $125 a few years ago - I like the factory lines but always wanted to suppress it. Shoots reliably well as is. |
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Posted: 7/24/2020 3:41:10 PM EDT
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I wouldn't chop a MK I. I would butcher a MKII though.
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Posted: 7/24/2020 5:36:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By cherenkov: I stumbled into this thread and had been wanting to do something similar with my Ruger Standard. My Ruger Standard Mk1 is from 1952, used and in good - very good with some wear on it - Is it a sin for chopping an earlier standard model? It cost me only like $125 a few years ago - I like the factory lines but always wanted to suppress it. Shoots reliably well as is. Depending on what exactly it is you could probably fund a MKII or MKIII with it and then parts and mags get easier. |
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Posted: 7/24/2020 11:15:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cherenkov: I stumbled into this thread and had been wanting to do something similar with my Ruger Standard. My Ruger Standard Mk1 is from 1952, used and in good - very good with some wear on it - Is it a sin for chopping an earlier standard model? It cost me only like $125 a few years ago - I like the factory lines but always wanted to suppress it. Shoots reliably well as is. 3rd year of production, and you want to chop it? |
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Posted: 7/24/2020 11:34:47 PM EDT
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It's yours so do what you want. Before I started aiming to build a stubby I had a MkIV lite 22/45 and a MkII Target. The lite can't be chopped and I decided to keep the MkII stock.
So I bought a MkIV target upper for $40 and a spare complete bolt for $30. MkIV is so easy to take down and with the short barrel suppressed I bet it'll need good cleaning after each range session. New upper and bolt are tested and now just waiting to find the right place to have mine chopped. |
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Posted: 7/26/2020 8:19:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OTTOSEAR: Very 1980's. I have a 3.5 inch Buckmark, Tornado did years ago. It has a clocked 3 lug for a Checkmate... Similar look with the can. More like 1960s Man From U.N.C.L.E. In the original plot he used a Luger but then they switched to the chopped P-38 for the series. Interesting project anyways. |
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Posted: 7/28/2020 8:50:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Plumber576: It's yours so do what you want. Before I started aiming to build a stubby I had a MkIV lite 22/45 and a MkII Target. The lite can't be chopped and I decided to keep the MkII stock. So I bought a MkIV target upper for $40 and a spare complete bolt for $30. MkIV is so easy to take down and with the short barrel suppressed I bet it'll need good cleaning after each range session. New upper and bolt are tested and now just waiting to find the right place to have mine chopped. JP Grips and Machine is what you seek. |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 3:14:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rockyriver: JP Grips and Machine is what you seek. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rockyriver: Originally Posted By Plumber576: It's yours so do what you want. Before I started aiming to build a stubby I had a MkIV lite 22/45 and a MkII Target. The lite can't be chopped and I decided to keep the MkII stock. So I bought a MkIV target upper for $40 and a spare complete bolt for $30. MkIV is so easy to take down and with the short barrel suppressed I bet it'll need good cleaning after each range session. New upper and bolt are tested and now just waiting to find the right place to have mine chopped. JP Grips and Machine is what you seek. I went with D.Wilson Manufacturing since it looked like they had the sights down. Picked it up at the post office this morning!  I have some more work to do to get it where I want but I'm extremely please with the work done based on looks, haven' shot it yet. Once it's complete to where i want it I'll post more pics. |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 4:08:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Plumber576: I went with D.Wilson Manufacturing since it looked like they had the sights down. Picked it up at the post office this morning! https://i.imgur.com/d9kL9zwl.jpg I have some more work to do to get it where I want but I'm extremely please with the work done based on looks, haven' shot it yet. Once it's complete to where i want it I'll post more pics. This is where I got mine done, too. Excellent work and fast turn. |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 4:26:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Plumber576]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ScottS: This is where I got mine done, too. Excellent work and fast turn. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ScottS: Originally Posted By Plumber576: I went with D.Wilson Manufacturing since it looked like they had the sights down. Picked it up at the post office this morning! https://i.imgur.com/d9kL9zwl.jpg I have some more work to do to get it where I want but I'm extremely please with the work done based on looks, haven' shot it yet. Once it's complete to where i want it I'll post more pics. This is where I got mine done, too. Excellent work and fast turn. Turnaround was much faster than expected. Think my threads are a tad long. O-ring removed my Spectre II bottoms out on the threads and not the barrel. There's a fingernail width gap between the back of the silencer and face of the barrel. Frustrating. I have a SiCo spacer but it ruins the look. Anyone know where to find a 1/2x28 threaded 1/8" tall 0.88" wide spacer? |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 5:47:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ScottS]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Plumber576: Turnaround was much faster than expected. Think my threads are a tad long. O-ring removed my Spectre II bottoms out on the threads and not the barrel. There's a fingernail width gap between the back of the silencer and face of the barrel. Frustrating. I have a SiCo spacer but it ruins the look. Anyone know where to find a 1/2x28 threaded 1/8" tall 0.88" wide spacer? |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 7:53:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Plumber576]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ScottS: Very interesting. That's the only complaint I had: the threads are .500" long vice the nominal .400" for a pistol can. I've been using a thin, flat spacer, but I think I'm going to send my receiver back and ask him to face the threads down to .400" If they could cut me a slice off the next target barrel they chop it'd be perfect. But yea, I wish I went with 0.400" threads, too. |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 7:30:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ScottS: Very interesting. That's the only complaint I had: the threads are .500" long vice the nominal .400" for a pistol can. I've been using a thin, flat spacer, but I think I'm going to send my receiver back and ask him to face the threads down to .400" How big of a deal is this? I see they actually sell Ruger pistols; you can add the chop and sight install at purchase. I don't want something I'll have to get worked on again of course. |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 7:43:07 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Pachucko: How big of a deal is this? I see they actually sell Ruger pistols; you can add the chop and sight install at purchase. I don't want something I'll have to get worked on again of course. It’s definitely preferable to have the correct length threads over using a spacer. |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 8:01:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: It’s definitely preferable to have the correct length threads over using a spacer. Agree, and without the spacer, I end up in the blast chamber of some of my rimfire cans. I'll drop him a note this week about sending my upper back for a trim. BTW, the uppers he (Dave Wilson) sells are MKIV, so if you don't have a MKIV, it won't do you much good. |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 8:55:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ScottS: Agree, and without the spacer, I end up in the blast chamber of some of my rimfire cans. I'll drop him a note this week about sending my upper back for a trim. BTW, the uppers he (Dave Wilson) sells are MKIV, so if you don't have a MKIV, it won't do you much good. Makes sense. He also sells complete guns!! I'm looking at the MKIV 22/45. |
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Posted: 8/31/2020 3:54:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ScottS: Agree, and without the spacer, I end up in the blast chamber of some of my rimfire cans. I'll drop him a note this week about sending my upper back for a trim. BTW, the uppers he (Dave Wilson) sells are MKIV, so if you don't have a MKIV, it won't do you much good. Let me know what they say about sending it back. |
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Posted: 8/31/2020 4:32:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Plumber576: Let me know what they say about sending it back.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 2:14:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ScottS: Agree, and without the spacer, I end up in the blast chamber of some of my rimfire cans. I'll drop him a note this week about sending my upper back for a trim. BTW, the uppers he (Dave Wilson) sells are MKIV, so if you don't have a MKIV, it won't do you much good. I used the 'contact us' form on the web-site and asked if they could do .4 versus .5 on a 22/45 purchased form them. The response was to just note in the comments I'd like .4" thread length versus the standard .5". Guess the "standard" varies? |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 3:04:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pachucko: I used the 'contact us' form on the web-site and asked if they could do .4 versus .5 on a 22/45 purchased form them. The response was to just note in the comments I'd like .4" thread length versus the standard .5". Guess the "standard" varies? I used that form, and Dave responded very quickly, and told me he could trim it to .400". I'm shipping tomorrow. |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 9:20:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ScottS: I used that form, and Dave responded very quickly, and told me he could trim it to .400". I'm shipping tomorrow. Good to hear!! |
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Posted: 9/2/2020 12:46:03 PM EDT
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Was giving it some thought and now wish I had a 3D printer and knew how to use it.
I'd love to have a spacer with an integrated pic rail so I could add a light. Something like this Streamlight shotgun mount but sized for the Mk pistol. 
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Posted: 9/2/2020 4:23:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Plumber576: Was giving it some thought and now wish I had a 3D printer and knew how to use it. I'd love to have a spacer with an integrated pic rail so I could add a light. Something like this Streamlight shotgun mount but sized for the Mk pistol. https://media.mwstatic.com/product-images/src/primary/754/754094.jpg?imwidth=480 Pinched between the barrel and can? I would think a trigger guard mounted unit might be more easily done, either 3d printed or modifiying a cheap 1911 version (similar thin, rounded triggerguard) |
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Posted: 9/2/2020 5:51:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NWRed: Pinched between the barrel and can? I would think a trigger guard mounted unit might be more easily done, either 3d printed or modifiying a cheap 1911 version (similar thin, rounded triggerguard) Pinched or threaded, sure. Maybe have it index off the grip or something. I'm just spitballin' ideas. Depending on attachment and location a trigger guard mount could prevent removing the top. |
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Posted: 9/2/2020 10:56:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Plumber576: Pinched or threaded, sure. Maybe have it index off the grip or something. I'm just spitballin' ideas. Depending on attachment and location a trigger guard mount could prevent removing the top. I just bought a $9/shipped 1911 rail off ebay to test the idea out. We'll see when it shows up from China.
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Posted: 9/3/2020 1:28:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NWRed: I just bought a $9/shipped 1911 rail off ebay to test the idea out. We'll see when it shows up from China. Please share results! |
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Posted: 9/3/2020 2:30:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Plumber576: Please share results! Looking at the Streamlight shotgun mount, a piece of sheet metal with a 7/8" hole and bent in either an L - just the rail section, or a Z with a portion coming back over the top of the receiver with a screw ran through the forward most optic rail threaded hole to secure it. My MKii doesnt have threaded holes for a rail, but it'd be pretty easy to add a single hole in the receiver to secure a light rail. 
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Posted: 9/9/2020 9:45:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ScottS: I used that form, and Dave responded very quickly, and told me he could trim it to .400". I'm shipping tomorrow. Back yet? Yes, I'm impatient... 
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Posted: 9/9/2020 9:47:01 PM EDT
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So Stubby owners...
Anyone wish they had chosen a bit longer barrel? I like the look of the 2/2.1 but I'm thinking I should go with 2.5 or so. |
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Posted: 9/9/2020 10:09:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pachucko: Back yet? Yes, I'm impatient... Hahaha. Not yet. He got it late last week. |
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