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A few questions. Sorry if these are a redo.
Are the barrels threaded on all M&P 22C's? Do they come with a thread adapter? Is the safety removable like the FS? Will the compact fit in my FS M&P 9 holster? Are the compacts accurate enough for steel challenge? ...vs a Buckmark? |
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A few questions. Sorry if these are a redo. Are the barrels threaded on all M&P 22C's? Yes Do they come with a thread adapter? No. Several manufacturers make them now, including EWK Arms, TROS, Twin Tech Tactical, SRI. I recommend EWK Arms. Is the safety removable like the FS? Yes, although I understand the procedure is a bit different. Will the compact fit in my FS M&P 9 holster? No Are the compacts accurate enough for steel challenge? ...vs a Buckmark? Can't help you there; Never shot a steel challenge. It is, however, a 3.56" barrel, with an attendant short sight radius. View Quote |
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The 22 Compact is a simple concealed Single Action hammer system. Taking out the safety is like taking out the safety of a 1911 .45 Auto without even having a grip safety.
The guts are unrelated to the M&P line. The .22 is not a striker fired double action. If you grasp the machinery, taking out its only safety seems silly. |
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The 22 Compact is a simple concealed Single Action hammer system. Taking out the safety is like taking out the safety of a 1911 .45 Auto without even having a grip safety. The guts are unrelated to the M&P line. The .22 is not a striker fired double action. If you grasp the machinery, taking out its only safety seems silly. View Quote assumptions. Thanks for the info. |
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From your question, it seemed apparent you have not seen how the .22 operates.
Describing the machinery after seeing the actual parts is not assuming. It is just a description. Removing the thumb safety removes the pistols only user operable device to prevent it from firing. I call that silly to be polite. The .22's single action rotating hammer is unlike the M&P striker system's long pull trying to copy Glock's. |
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Finally shot my 22 Compact today, 100ish rounds, consisting of some CCI Mini mags and the free promotion .22's that came with the gun.
Shot very nice, no issues, though the free promotion ammo consistently hit me in the face. Didnt have that issue with the CCI's. Very pleased with the accuracy, trigger was nice, very fun to shoot. I like it.
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As an interesting monkey wrench in the comparison assuming the purpose was to find a training aid for the owner of a S&W M&P full size auto pistol, in 2013 I bought a Umarex "medium" M&P CO2 BB pistol and 5 magazines. The plastic pistol is a dead ringer size wise for a standard M&P. The trigger function is similiar in that the BB pistol is simply a short DA pull to fire without other controls. The sights are decent 3 dot copies. A CO2 cylinder lasts for 4 of the 18 shot BB magazines. A normal M&P holster is a perfect fit. Draw and fire practice on an IPSC target is easily done keeping all hits in the A zone through 20 yards. More fun is to put three pop cans on three vertical pieces of electric wire about a foot above the ground. Draw and fire three shots. The cans rattle and clang around if hit. If you hit two of the three, one shot at each, take a step backward. Repeat. Hit two of three and take another step back. At about 20 yards it gets difficult. When .22s were (are still mostly) unobtainable, a milk carton of BBs lasts a L O N G time. I liked the set up enough I bought a second one. Setting up both BB pistols required two things. First, both shot high so I reduced the height of the rear sight and they shoot to zero at 15 yards. I simply turned the pistol upside down with the front sight on a slick plastic pad and the rear sight flat on a fine bastard file. Back and forth a few times reduced the rear sight height. Second, the top of the trigger where the barrel is activated needs lubed for a smooth pull (and lighter weight). With those two steps, the sensation is a normal M&P trigger or a Shield trigger that still needs lubed and broken in. Both pistols show no sign of damage or wearing out. Still seeing no accuracy info on the .22 Compact besides a 2" at 10 yards or 5" at 25 yards reference, I am not in a rush to buy one. Considering the safety style SA action of the .22 Compact, the BB pistol is a closer action copy of the M&P system than the .22 is. I've used the Umarex to introduce new pistol shooters to the idea very adequately. The BB pistol is a full size copy. It is too big for my granddaughter to function. So I bought the SR22P which was a nice first step. I started her with a CB Long single loaded which goes pop once and nothing more. She got the hang of it. I am no fan of the cheap .22s sold by the Walther/Umarex/whoever group, but freely admit the Umarex BB pistols are extremely nice. I suppose this will get laughed at a lot, but its why they put doors in boxes so you don't have to stay inside all the time. Trigger time is trigger time. And with no noise or recoil, you can see your good ones and your bad ones. Other Useful Info: Umarex site: http://www.umarexusa.com/Smith-Wesson-M-P-Black.html#.VExQVVeDe-I Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005116QN8/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_1/179-7283556-6990525?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_r=11DF6R7XJV7T0F7NHFK6&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=1944687442&pf_rd_i=B00193TWYW They go $35-40, sometimes with and sometimes without extra shipping. A lot more $ in stores. Magazines: Amazon or Walmart: http://www.amazon.com/Beretta-Elite-Crosman-19-Shot-Stick/dp/B001BR2YTQ/ref=pd_sim_sg_3?ie=UTF8&refRID=0GRJG8B45HKEW9ERBM5G Pellet Gun Oil: Always put a drop on the seal area of the C02 powerlet. If you don't, the seal may leak and will wear out for sure. Buy this if you need the extra penny for free shipping: http://www.amazon.com/Crosman-Pellgunoil%C2%AE-Air-Lubricating-ounces/dp/B0002IL6M6/ref=pd_sim_sg_4?ie=UTF8&refRID=0GRJG8B45HKEW9ERBM5G View Quote I don't see anything to laugh about. What kind of BBs do you use in yours? Does it take traditional BBs or the plastic airsoft ones? |
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Shot mine the other day, very quiet with the Sparrow SS.
Did have a problem with the rear sight. The windage screw is really loose and kept backing out. The sight actually came out and hit me in the forehead once. S&W CS wants me to send the gun back, so hopefully they can fix it. Otherwise, very reliable with Federal bulk stuff I was shooting. |
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BRJ
These are steel air rifle shot pistols. Daisy/Crossman .177 copper plated steel air rifle shot. KaZillions for a few dollars. Zero connection to plastic ball shooters, i.e., air soft. I did try lead .177 balls. The mechanism in the pistol must have a magnet because the lead balls just fall out. I wanted to defuse some of the Gaufffs I thought I'd get for admitting I can shoot an air pistol. In all seriousness, it is a quality piece and quite useful as described above. For the costs, you cannot go wrong. It is better than any other model by any maker I have tried over the years. LSA |
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Anyone swap out the sights on one of these yet? From the looks of it, the rear may not be so easy to replace. I don't have one yet, but am hoping to get one in the next week or two. From the pictures I have looked at it seems like the rear dovetail is huge. I would at least like to change out the front for a fiber optic or HD night sight so the sight picture matches our other pistols.
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I'm well over 1k thru mine. Only issues I have is when it's dirty and I try to run cheap bill ammo thru it. Usually the first round or two might fte. Cci or fed auto match run it like a champ. <a href="http://s16.photobucket.com/user/evnash/media/Guns/F0499069-5723-4C0A-8261-CDA7E3B724C3.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b28/evnash/Guns/F0499069-5723-4C0A-8261-CDA7E3B724C3.jpg</a> I've made several holsters for the 22c. IM if you need one <a href="http://s16.photobucket.com/user/evnash/media/Guns/FullSizeRender1.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b28/evnash/Guns/FullSizeRender1.jpg</a> <a href="http://s16.photobucket.com/user/evnash/media/Guns/FullSizeRender2.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b28/evnash/Guns/FullSizeRender2.jpg</a> <a href="http://s16.photobucket.com/user/evnash/media/Guns/94484D8B-8900-4B2B-8FE8-6657B3E6392C.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b28/evnash/Guns/94484D8B-8900-4B2B-8FE8-6657B3E6392C.jpg</a> <a href="http://s16.photobucket.com/user/evnash/media/Guns/5729389F-B6E8-4C29-AD71-8A95967C8798.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b28/evnash/Guns/5729389F-B6E8-4C29-AD71-8A95967C8798.jpg</a> View Quote Evan made my Compact holster, and it's excellent. Highly recommended. |
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Evan made my Compact holster, and it's excellent. Highly recommended. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I'm well over 1k thru mine. Only issues I have is when it's dirty and I try to run cheap bill ammo thru it. Usually the first round or two might fte. Cci or fed auto match run it like a champ. <a href="http://s16.photobucket.com/user/evnash/media/Guns/F0499069-5723-4C0A-8261-CDA7E3B724C3.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b28/evnash/Guns/F0499069-5723-4C0A-8261-CDA7E3B724C3.jpg</a> I've made several holsters for the 22c. IM if you need one <a href="http://s16.photobucket.com/user/evnash/media/Guns/FullSizeRender1.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b28/evnash/Guns/FullSizeRender1.jpg</a> <a href="http://s16.photobucket.com/user/evnash/media/Guns/FullSizeRender2.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b28/evnash/Guns/FullSizeRender2.jpg</a> <a href="http://s16.photobucket.com/user/evnash/media/Guns/94484D8B-8900-4B2B-8FE8-6657B3E6392C.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b28/evnash/Guns/94484D8B-8900-4B2B-8FE8-6657B3E6392C.jpg</a> <a href="http://s16.photobucket.com/user/evnash/media/Guns/5729389F-B6E8-4C29-AD71-8A95967C8798.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b28/evnash/Guns/5729389F-B6E8-4C29-AD71-8A95967C8798.jpg</a> Evan made my Compact holster, and it's excellent. Highly recommended. |
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I checked one of those out at the funshow this past weekend, the PPQ 22 has a Zimak slide doesn't it? That's a pass in my book, course your P22 has one as well I also looked at the M&P22 compact and was somewhat impressed, the safety works better than on my FS. But not being able to take the full size mags is a dumb decision on S&W's part imho. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I'm not opposed to a compact but I already have a P22 (I know many people don't like them but mine runs like a champ) and my next will be a full size, probably a Walther PPQ 22 now. I checked one of those out at the funshow this past weekend, the PPQ 22 has a Zimak slide doesn't it? That's a pass in my book, course your P22 has one as well I also looked at the M&P22 compact and was somewhat impressed, the safety works better than on my FS. But not being able to take the full size mags is a dumb decision on S&W's part imho. The S&W 22 compact is not like other compact models where "compact" is achieved by shortening the slide/barrel and grip. In these cases the full size magazine normally fits in the compact model but extends below the bottom of the grip. The M&P 22 compact is a reduction in the whole pistol which then places the magazine catches of each at a different length from the bottom in their grip. You're right though. It would be great if the FS mag would also fit the compact as I have both models. |
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I'm well over 1k thru mine. Only issues I have is when it's dirty and I try to run cheap bill ammo thru it. Usually the first round or two might fte. Cci or fed auto match run it like a champ. <a href="http://s16.photobucket.com/user/evnash/media/Guns/F0499069-5723-4C0A-8261-CDA7E3B724C3.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b28/evnash/Guns/F0499069-5723-4C0A-8261-CDA7E3B724C3.jpg</a> I've made several holsters for the 22c. IM if you need one <a href="http://s16.photobucket.com/user/evnash/media/Guns/FullSizeRender1.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b28/evnash/Guns/FullSizeRender1.jpg</a> <a href="http://s16.photobucket.com/user/evnash/media/Guns/FullSizeRender2.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b28/evnash/Guns/FullSizeRender2.jpg</a> <a href="http://s16.photobucket.com/user/evnash/media/Guns/94484D8B-8900-4B2B-8FE8-6657B3E6392C.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b28/evnash/Guns/94484D8B-8900-4B2B-8FE8-6657B3E6392C.jpg</a> <a href="http://s16.photobucket.com/user/evnash/media/Guns/5729389F-B6E8-4C29-AD71-8A95967C8798.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b28/evnash/Guns/5729389F-B6E8-4C29-AD71-8A95967C8798.jpg</a> Evan made my Compact holster, and it's excellent. Highly recommended. Mine as well. Works great. Got my .22 Compact back from S&W today. Rear sight drifts like its supposed to now. |
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BTW if anyone wants to fit 15rnds in the magazine you can replace the follower and spring, but you lose the loading assist button and magazine hold open.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL18D2znvlM |
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BTW if anyone wants to fit 15rnds in the magazine you can replace the follower and spring, but you lose the loading assist button and magazine hold open. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL18D2znvlM View Quote i got 3 of these kits and have not comfortably been able to fit 15 rounds into one. i cant achieve it with things like dented cases and stripping lead off the top of the bullet from the slide... id recommend 12 to 13 rounds, 13 becomes a thumb buster but works fine i will only run 12 though. love my m&p 22 compact, looked into some others and the smith was love at first sight and even more so after a nearly flawless 650 round first outing i had with it. seems accurate as any 22 compact can be imo. Im not one to worry about what a handgun does off a benchrest as my shooting revolves around more fast off hand shots at various targets of oppertunity. i can say that the gun points well and fast accurate shot strings are a breeze , no contest this beats the SR22p like a drum all day long, if for any reasons its better trigger and the sr`s idiot upside down safety. |
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From your question, it seemed apparent you have not seen how the .22 operates. Describing the machinery after seeing the actual parts is not assuming. It is just a description. Removing the thumb safety removes the pistols only user operable device to prevent it from firing. I call that silly to be polite. The .22's single action rotating hammer is unlike the M&P striker system's long pull trying to copy Glock's. View Quote I am in 100% agreement with you. |
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Nice pistol, got about 200 rds through it, no problems. http://i1296.photobucket.com/albums/ag1/bradwd/C22_zps3466df52.jpg View Quote What case is that. Looks perfect. |
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Looks like a Maxpedition Beefy Pocket Organizer
http://www.maxpedition.com/store/pc/BEEFY-Pocket-Organizer-188p1941.htm http://www.amazon.com/Maxpedition-Gear-Beefy-Pocket-Organizer/dp/B00AQ6E5XQ/?tag=facebook04ca-20 |
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Nice pistol, got about 200 rds through it, no problems. http://i1296.photobucket.com/albums/ag1/bradwd/C22_zps3466df52.jpg What case is that. Looks perfect. Yes which one and do you think that it will still fit with a thread adapter? |
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Well, I bought a compact about 2 weeks ago at Cabela's when they had them on sale for $339. Their sale prices is everyone else's normal price. Fortunately I had enough Cabela's points , so I considered it free! I took it out yesterday and shot 300 rounds of Federal Auto Match and it fed like a champ. I didn't get to shoot the gun from a rest, so I really can't speak for true accuracy. I also ordered a 10mm bicycle wrench from ebay and ground it down to fit the muzzle nut. It came off with zero issues. The wrench also needed to be opened up a hair with a file, as it may be a little larger than 10mm. It was a Park Tool wrench and it was less than $5 delivered. I am very pleased with the compact and will hopefully get an Element II in about 8 months to put on the end.
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I bought one at the LGS a few weeks ago. Finally got out in the country to shoot it last weekend. Went through a box of Federal bulk ammo (325 count), the 222 count bulk Winchester ammo that came with it and a 50-round box of Aguila Standard Velocity cheap crap.
The gun ate it all without a hiccup. It is pretty accurate .... I could hit just about anything I wanted to out to 25 or 30 yards ... and really easy to get comfortable with. I love it. Now, to find a carbon-fiber IWB holster for it! |
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This one. link
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Nice pistol, got about 200 rds through it, no problems. http://i1296.photobucket.com/albums/ag1/bradwd/C22_zps3466df52.jpg What case is that. Looks perfect. Yes which one and do you think that it will still fit with a thread adapter? Will be installing adapter, when I get it, will let you know. |
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