Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
I used HK in my example because of the 12-round USP in .45 caliber. I personally like SIG's, but if someone kicked in my door, hauled me off right now in my boxers, and issued me clothing, and said "We are dumping you in the jungle. You can have 100 rounds of ammo, and one handgun up to 10mm in caliber. What do you want?" I would pick a Glock. This goes for any other environ as well, I am not saying Glock just because of high-humidity. Glocks just...work. If you were forced to use a pistol without testing it first, I don't know very many informed people who wouldn't pick a Glock, HK, or other polymer pistol or a SIG. Most would pick Glocks based on what I have seen them say in those "only one..." type threads here.
Nobody is kicking in my door and hauling me off in my boxers to issue me jack shit, that's just plain stupid. You're scenario makes no more sense than does your argument. As to your INFORMED people ........... well as I've tried to politely get across different people like different flavors of that stuff called KOOLAID.
Just how easy is it to conceal that 1911 w/10-round mag, compared to say, a Glock? The Glock has a superior bore-axis, since that is important in your book. Ergo, the Glock would deliver more rounds on target, faster. The trigger pull is different, and not as pleasing to me, but there are no safeties. Yes, a properly trained person will swipe the safety on a 1911 while drawing, but with the Glock, it's just one less thing to forget.
Concealed? No harder than concealing a HUGE friggen 13 shot H&K....and....... what the hell happened to
"We are dumping you in the jungle".
Superior bore axis? Can't give you that one they're about as even as it gets. More rounds on target faster? Subjective ........... with that funky grip angle and 2x4 grip the ergonomics just flat out SUCK, not to mention that "dart gun" trigger that stacks just before it breaks. "And if you can't remember to disengage a safety as you draw you've got bigger problems to deal with. How do you ever work your rifle?
However all that doesn't matter to me if it's your choice as it's your ass and you get to use whatever the hell you want. But to proclaim it superior ? It may be for you but that doesn't make it so for everyone, and proclaiming it is irrational and disingenuous.
The reason I say "on the square range" is because the only people who are issued the 1911 are the kind of people who might be involved in shooting a static/near static target (of course, this is my uninformed opinion based on the agencies issued it). HRT may well use the pistol against someone holding a hostage. In that case, sure, give me a 1911, because it will damn sure fire the one in the tube, and if that doesn't do the trick, the trick won't be done. That trigger sure is nice in that scenario.
What a crock of total bullshit. You're not doing yourself any favors spouting such blatant crap my freind.
However, FAMS are probably some of the best shots out there in LE
, and they do just fine with the SIG.
....... You're killing me ............ honest you've got to stop it.
It's impossible to defend the 1911, logically, from any standpoint other than sentimentality or personal preference for 99% of the applications out there for a pistol. When we get into the technicalities of it, it comes up short every time.
The only thing coming up short is your argument. It's full of what ifs, anecdotes, half truths and flat out bullshit.
PS. The only things I am technically allowed to call myself an operator of are: Motorvehicles, IV machines, hospital beds, and the pyxis system. However, I do operate handguns in my spare time. 1911's consistently give me problems.
If any other pistol gave me a problem, I would just swap parts applicable to the issue at hand and solve it unless the frame or slide was machined wrong. So much easier/cheaper than a 1911.
Who would have guessed that, you can't master the equipment so it can't be you it must be the equipment. It's OK I see this all the time.
Would you honestly say that you would rather have a 1911 than a Glock 37 if I were standing in front of you with both of them loaded up and one in either hand and told you 3 armed intruders would kick your door in in 1 minute. Grab one––only one? Would that wonderful trigger sway you? (assuming you hate the grip angle on the Glock, assume I offered you an HK45 or a M&P or XD instead of the Glock)
Here we go again with another "what if scenario"
......... I carry and have carried a 1911most every day for over 30 years, on and off duty and that's no what if.