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Posted: 10/3/2015 12:30:56 AM EDT
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Smith currently makes a 60 with a 3" barrel. I think it's a custom shop or Pro series or something like that. Plus there were some made back in the day, but they are very rare. But there was a member on here who I think him and his wife settled on that newer 60 with the 3" barrel. It's got the slab side barrel and some nice, hand filling wood grips. although I'm sure you could put some rubber ones on it too.
At least I hope they still make it. It was pretty recently that they did. I think it would be a good choice, especially if she already has a 60 that works. But really, I don't think she'd need a longer barrel for most self defense scenarios. I'm thinking. |
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Posted: 10/3/2015 7:54:26 AM EDT
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I think, the 3 inch Ruger and S&W revolvers are distributor specials. A quick look on their websites say look at TALO
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Posted: 10/3/2015 8:59:13 AM EDT
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I have a 3" Model 60 (.38 Special) that has adjustable sights.It's really a nice gun and shoots very well.I like it better than the various other 60's/36's that I've had.
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Posted: 10/3/2015 10:07:01 AM EDT
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Do all the current S&W revolvers have the keylock?
Does Ruger have any sort of keylock on their revolvers? |
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Posted: 10/3/2015 10:24:44 PM EDT
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Do all the current S&W revolvers have the keylock? Does Ruger have any sort of keylock on their revolvers? I guess this has been beat to death. Sorry. |
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Posted: 10/4/2015 11:07:10 AM EDT
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Have her try an LC9S Pro. The slide is easier to work than the Shield. The mags are easier to load. And it has no manual safety to worry about.
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Posted: 10/4/2015 1:45:04 PM EDT
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I'm a J-frame fan and would recommend trying a 649 Bodyguard to allow for a hammer thats snag free.
IMHO the 2" is the ticket in this gun since at fighting distance it gives less for the bad guy to grab or leverage with. Another option might be the Glock 43 since it is about the same size and pretty ambidextrous. |
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Posted: 10/4/2015 8:05:49 PM EDT
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They make a version of the shield without a safety.
There are also techniques that allow for easier manipulation of a slide if you show her. |
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Posted: 10/5/2015 8:44:07 AM EDT
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They make a version of the shield without a safety. There are also techniques that allow for easier manipulation of a slide if you show her. Tall rear sight + leather belt. |
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Posted: 10/5/2015 10:31:18 AM EDT
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They make a version of the shield without a safety. There are also techniques that allow for easier manipulation of a slide if you show her. Tall rear sight + leather belt. I'm sorry but I fail to see what a "tall rear sight + leather belt" would have to do with my wife's inability to operate a slide. And what "techniques" would allow "easier manipulation of the slide"? |
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Posted: 10/5/2015 4:55:55 PM EDT
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My wife had the same difficulty. She could operate a semi but was not comfortable with it so the search for a wheel gun started.
I ended up getting her a ruger SP101 in 357 mag with the 2.25inch barrel. Kinda heavy compared to the light weight carry guns but that helps with recoil tremendously. She shoots 38 special at the range and carries a reduced 357mag load. Buffalo Bore makes a short barrel 357 load that yields a little over 400 ft lbs of energy so much better than most 38 special loads to ensure proper penetration but not have the excessive recoil/blast of a full blown 357 load. |
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Posted: 10/5/2015 5:02:33 PM EDT
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I'm sorry but I fail to see what a "tall rear sight + leather belt" would have to do with my wife's inability to operate a slide. And what "techniques" would allow "easier manipulation of the slide"? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They make a version of the shield without a safety. There are also techniques that allow for easier manipulation of a slide if you show her. Tall rear sight + leather belt. I'm sorry but I fail to see what a "tall rear sight + leather belt" would have to do with my wife's inability to operate a slide. And what "techniques" would allow "easier manipulation of the slide"? using the taller rear sight to hook on the belt (or another hard surface like edge of table, etc) you can rack the slide one handed....its uses arm strength and/or body weight while mitigating hand strength its a technique often taught for when you only have one hand available for whatever reason (injury, occupied, disabled, etc) |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 7:47:55 PM EDT
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My wife also does not have the strength to rack the slide on the semi autos I have.
She chose a S&W 386 I picked up used from a LGS a few years ago. It has a 2.5" barrel, scandium frame and a great trigger pull. It is "hers". I think the key element of the above statement is "she chose". Her choice came after range sessions which included both S&W and Ruger revolvers. Mike |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 8:32:04 PM EDT
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What about a larger 380? A G42, LC380, etc may be easy to rack due to lighter recoil spring
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Posted: 10/10/2015 10:04:16 AM EDT
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I'm sorry but I fail to see what a "tall rear sight + leather belt" would have to do with my wife's inability to operate a slide. And what "techniques" would allow "easier manipulation of the slide"? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They make a version of the shield without a safety. There are also techniques that allow for easier manipulation of a slide if you show her. Tall rear sight + leather belt. I'm sorry but I fail to see what a "tall rear sight + leather belt" would have to do with my wife's inability to operate a slide. And what "techniques" would allow "easier manipulation of the slide"? I think the idea is instead of pulling back with the hand on the slide, You hold the slide still and push forward with your hand on the pistol grip. Basically splitting the effort more evenly between both hands. You practice this, then once you have it figured out, teach it to her. |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 2:39:03 AM EDT
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Dude, I can do that all day long. But my wife can't.
I'm just curious do any of you guys that have a hard time believing that certain women have a real difficult time racking a slide, do you actually hang around women? I'm not sure why this concept is so difficult, but I've shown my wife just about every way known to man with several different pistols and she struggles a LOT to do it. Oh she can get it, at least most of the way, but it's just very difficult for her, enough that it doesn't make sense to even push the issue. She may be on the weaker side of things, as she was not athletic growing up. Had asthma and all that. But she's not a total wuss either. She can do yard work and such. So I don't know what to tell you other than those muscles just aren't strong enough on her. And she's not aggressive enough about it. It's just that simple. Furthermore revolvers are just much more intuitive for her. She has no problems understanding them. I know it's not rocket science but I've been around people that get the buttons mixed up on an auto. "What's this one for?" Guys too. |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 7:10:54 AM EDT
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My wife is 5'3" and has hands the size of a doll. She can rack the slides on my 1911s like a boss, but has trouble with the heavy trigger pull on DAO revolvers.
She prefers the simplicity of revolvers. It is a conundrum. I think she needs something like a Shield or G43, but what she really wants is a DAO J-frame with a 5lb trigger pull. |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 9:30:32 AM EDT
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Same here, I have showed my wife many different ways to rack the slide on her S&W Shield. She just does not have the strength in her hands, plus the fact that she has Rheumatoid Arthritis doesn't help.
We went to shields and handled a few guns, looked at the LCRs, didn't like the short grip. She really liked the SP-101 with the bobbed hammer. She could pull the trigger just fine. I asked about the weight, and she said it was heavier but she said she thought it was ok. So, I think we will get a SP-101 and give it a try. |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 10:10:09 AM EDT
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Same here, I have showed my wife many different ways to rack the slide on her S&W Shield. She just does not have the strength in her hands, plus the fact that she has Rheumatoid Arthritis doesn't help. We went to shields and handled a few guns, looked at the LCRs, didn't like the short grip. She really liked the SP-101 with the bobbed hammer. She could pull the trigger just fine. I asked about the weight, and she said it was heavier but she said she thought it was ok. So, I think we will get a SP-101 and give it a try. I believe that was a wise decision, good luck to her. |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 4:57:13 PM EDT
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My wife is 5'3" and has hands the size of a doll. She can rack the slides on my 1911s like a boss, but has trouble with the heavy trigger pull on DAO revolvers. She prefers the simplicity of revolvers. It is a conundrum. I think she needs something like a Shield or G43, but what she really wants is a DAO J-frame with a 5lb trigger pull. I know it's a dying bread, but maybe you could get her a DAO auto. Sig has the P224. They also have other guns in the DAK, which is basically DAO but a lighter DAO than a lot of traditional DAO. Which might be exactly what she needs. And I think HK has a similar option for some of their guns. I thin the P2000 is always DAO. Kahr's kind of work LIKE DAO, but it's basically striker fired. It's just more like a DAO than any other striker fired because they reset is basically after you let the trigger all the way out. Or you get a revolver that has had some work done on it. Actually, the trigger pull on my Colt DS is only a bit over 8 #'s.. While my 442 is more like 13#. |
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Posted: 10/15/2015 7:49:36 PM EDT
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If she shoots the S&W Model 36 well, that's what she should carry. If you want to get her a new one, consider a 3 inch Model 60 Pro with adjustable sights. Another option might be a 3 inch Ruger LCRx in .38 Special +P wit adjustable sights. The best advice is to take her to a range where they rent guns and to let her pick her own gun!
 My wife picked my 4 inch S&W Model 681 after I put Crimson Trace grips on it.  She tried it out and said, "Thank you!"  I haven't shot it since. 
The Apex Duty Spring Kit for J frames brings the trigger pull right down, and I haven't had any reliability problems with my guns. YMMV. |
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Posted: 10/15/2015 7:53:16 PM EDT
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Walther CCP maybe. MAC has a review on it on Full30.com
Edit to add: The J frame is not a bad choice, but the recoil on an airweight is worse than an auto. With the RA that could be a problem. The ccp is supposed to be very sold recoiling for its size. |
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Posted: 10/15/2015 11:03:18 PM EDT
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There are tons of older three inch j frames kicking around. If the revolver works for her don't fight it. No need to force someone into a semi. There were even air weight j's with three inch barrels. Also they made some j's in 32 H&R mag which gives you six shots instead of five.
I understand some women simply can't rack slides very effectively despite there being some techniques that may help. The revolver was considered state of the art for a long time, and can still get the job done |
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Posted: 10/17/2015 3:12:10 AM EDT
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Nothing wrong with the jframes. She can run it, and it is effective. If she will carry it, then you're done. The 60 Pro is really nice looking, though.
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Posted: 10/17/2015 10:58:01 AM EDT
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All good suggestions and thoughts on this subject, and I thank you guys for all your thoughts and ideas.
She started out with a model 36 and the S&W shield was my idea as she had expressed interest in the semi-autos. We have tried several brands of Semi-auto with the same results. She just can't manipulate the slide in a safe purposeful manner. Processes like clearing a jam would be cumbersome if possible at all. And in a high stress situation the inability to operate your weapon from muscle memory could be deadly. So, we have talked and decided to go back to what works for her. A revolver. And she is quite OK with that as some of the women friends use revolvers. She handled a few at Sheels a week or so ago and she has decided the SP101 is what she would like to try. I reload both 38Spec and 357Mag so I can load some midrange rounds for her to get up to speed with it. Anyway that's the plan, just have to get one bought now. Thanks for all the help! |
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Posted: 10/17/2015 1:17:59 PM EDT
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Solid, I almost bought the DAO 2.25" SP101 a while back but I held off and ended up with my Step Dad's 442 after he passed away. But I think I would've liked the Ruger.
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Posted: 10/17/2015 1:18:11 PM EDT
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Solid, I almost bought the DAO 2.25" SP101 a while back but I held off and ended up with my Step Dad's 442 after he passed away. But I think I would've liked the Ruger.
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Posted: 10/17/2015 1:47:17 PM EDT
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One of the first things I do when I hand a lady a handgun is ask her to rack the slide. The longer the bbl, the easier it is to rack, the Walther CCP being the notable & easy exception due to its gas-delayed blowback.
The larger the gun, the heavier - thus the less free recoil, and I've noticed a lot of women carry purses they could pack an Uzi in. Then their husband wants to buy them a tiny .380" or an Airweight S&W.
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