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Posted: 3/16/2015 12:15:18 AM EDT
Just thought I'd follow up on this since I've complained about my P320 a few times.
I sent my P320 back to SIG several months ago for a pretty bad case of trigger slap. The thing was painful to shoot, and it was the first time I've experienced that particular problem with a pistol. SIG sent me a mailing label and kept the gun for about 3.5 months. I sent a follow-up email a couple weeks ago and they said they would get it out to me in a few days. It showed up on my doorstep as promised. The work order reads: Replaced original trigger with updated adverse trigger Test fired 75 rounds, no malfunctions Cleaned pistol in ultrasonic cleaner, lubed to factory specs There is a noticeable difference in comfort with installation of new trigger. Original trigger included for comparison. New magazine used for test firing has been included with an additonal new magazine. Cost to owner: $0.00 I was able to get it out and put about 120 rounds through it today. No more trigger slap, and the trigger weight feels about a half pound lighter than it was. No malfunctions and the sights were dialed in well enough for me. It was pleasant to shoot and the gun came back down on target quickly, with less muzzle flip than I'd expect for such a high bore axis. In addition to two new mags, they also included a swag pack with a hat, stickers, patch, etc. along with the old trigger. I'm quite pleased with the service and won't even complain about the time it took them to get it back to me, since I really didn't miss it while it was gone. I would encourage anyone with the same problem to call SIG and see what they'll do. Apparently it's a real issue and they can fix it. |
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Posted: 3/16/2015 7:09:18 AM EDT
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thanks for the follow up...I missed your original posts about the issue but will be looking that up...the P320 has been getting my attention for some time but I have been resisting as I don't really need another pistol... ;)
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Posted: 3/16/2015 7:17:27 AM EDT
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the old trigger? just the trigger right? because the trigger mechanism is the serialized gun on these isn't it? Are trigger swaps easy on these?
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Posted: 3/16/2015 7:25:07 AM EDT
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the old trigger? just the trigger right? because the trigger mechanism is the serialized gun on these isn't it? Are trigger swaps easy on these? The trigger pack is a stamped piece of metal that houses the frame's internals. The actual trigger isn't serialized and swapping components is very easy. |
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Posted: 3/16/2015 8:26:11 AM EDT
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Thanks for the info. I've heard that about the P320, I think Hickok45 said it too. It's nice to know it can be fixed. It would be great if Sig would proactively fix the new ones before they leave the factory.
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Posted: 3/16/2015 9:49:22 AM EDT
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i'm still confused why you are calling it "slap".
That makes it sound like the trigger is resetting so fast and hard it is literally slapping your finger and causing pain. But it sounded like in your original post and what others have experienced on a variety of handguns is getting their finger chewed up a bit brushing the bottom of the trigger guard and maybe even being pinched in the process? Am I wrong here? Just curious. Anyway, the fix for you is great news and hard to find mags thrown in is icing on the cake. Thanks for the update. |
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Posted: 3/16/2015 9:54:00 AM EDT
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While it is unfortunate that they kept your pistol so long I have to give them credit for fixing it on their dime, giving you a pair of mags, and throwing in some goodies. Excellent CS makes a good company great.
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Posted: 3/16/2015 10:29:00 AM EDT
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i'm still confused why you are calling it "slap". That makes it sound like the trigger is resetting so fast and hard it is literally slapping your finger and causing pain. But it sounded like in your original post and what others have experienced on a variety of handguns is getting their finger chewed up a bit brushing the bottom of the trigger guard and maybe even being pinched in the process? Am I wrong here? Just curious. Anyway, the fix for you is great news and hard to find mags thrown in is icing on the cake. Thanks for the update. Slap is the correct term, at least in my case. It wasn't being pinched or caught by the end of the trigger. It was the same painful, numbing impact you experienced on certain AK triggers. |
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Posted: 3/16/2015 1:00:14 PM EDT
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Local GM running the 320 through its paces
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsdMukgawJ0 |
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Posted: 3/16/2015 7:45:26 PM EDT
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Slap is the correct term, at least in my case. It wasn't being pinched or caught by the end of the trigger. It was the same painful, numbing impact you experienced on certain AK triggers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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i'm still confused why you are calling it "slap". That makes it sound like the trigger is resetting so fast and hard it is literally slapping your finger and causing pain. But it sounded like in your original post and what others have experienced on a variety of handguns is getting their finger chewed up a bit brushing the bottom of the trigger guard and maybe even being pinched in the process? Am I wrong here? Just curious. Anyway, the fix for you is great news and hard to find mags thrown in is icing on the cake. Thanks for the update. Slap is the correct term, at least in my case. It wasn't being pinched or caught by the end of the trigger. It was the same painful, numbing impact you experienced on certain AK triggers. I ran into the same disbelief when I posted about my VP9 having the same issues. Difference is HK service won't admit anything is wrong with their precious guns. Glad they fixed it for you. |
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Posted: 3/16/2015 9:18:54 PM EDT
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Thanks for the info. I've heard that about the P320, I think Hickok45 said it too. It's nice to know it can be fixed. It would be great if Sig would proactively fix the new ones before they leave the factory. This is not a systemic problem with the gun. It is a problem with a small percentage of shooters. I have zero issue with trigger bite on the 320. |
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Posted: 3/16/2015 10:23:40 PM EDT
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So is this a matter of where the trigger hits bone and all sig needed to do is lighten up the pull with a new spring? Or was something bad with your trigger? Just very curious if sig received the trigger and found something out of spec or have solutions that have a different pull for those that the stock trigger hurts. I read on some forum where sig was revising the trigger. I think it was pistol trainig forum. Who knows, I still want one bad in compact fde.
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Posted: 3/17/2015 10:30:47 AM EDT
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Trigger slap
It's right up there with "high bore axis" |
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Posted: 3/17/2015 10:37:24 AM EDT
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Trigger slap
It's right up there with "high bore axis" I know what hes talking about. Sometimes a gun's trigger can reset with so much force it actually hurts. Considering it's not present on most of the line it's a flaw that needs to be fixed. Bore axis I'd agree with you on. |
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Posted: 3/17/2015 11:27:54 AM EDT
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Trigger slap
It's right up there with "high bore axis" I've owned a LOT of pistols and currently shoot about 10,000 rounds a year of major power factor ammo in USPSA, and have been active in that particular discipline since 2003. This is the first gun I've ever owned that has exhibited this sort of problem. A problem that was demonstrably fixed by the manufacturer. If you haven't experienced it and don't know what you're talking about, why bother saying anything? |
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Posted: 3/17/2015 11:39:28 AM EDT
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It's right up there with "high bore axis" You've chosen to exhibit your ignorance towards a long time poster who is an outstanding asset to this forum and website. I'm not sure why you've done this, maybe your having a bad day but don't be a shit flinging monkey in this forum. |
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Posted: 3/17/2015 11:43:12 AM EDT
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Side-note: how does the felt recoil compare to a G17/G19?
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Posted: 3/17/2015 11:53:06 AM EDT
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Side-note: how does the felt recoil compare to a G17/G19? Pretty similar. The Glocks rise a bit less and come down a bit faster, but the SIG settles right back down without excessive muzzle rise. I'd say it rises less than the Walther PPQ. |
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Posted: 3/17/2015 4:00:58 PM EDT
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I know what hes talking about. Sometimes a gun's trigger can reset with so much force it actually hurts. Considering it's not present on most of the line it's a flaw that needs to be fixed. Bore axis I'd agree with you on. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Trigger slap
It's right up there with "high bore axis" I know what hes talking about. Sometimes a gun's trigger can reset with so much force it actually hurts. Considering it's not present on most of the line it's a flaw that needs to be fixed. Bore axis I'd agree with you on. It's not just on this forum where he ridicules anyone who says the P320 is anything but perfect. |
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Posted: 3/17/2015 5:25:47 PM EDT
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It's not just on this forum where he ridicules anyone who says the P320 is anything but perfect. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Trigger slap
It's right up there with "high bore axis" I know what hes talking about. Sometimes a gun's trigger can reset with so much force it actually hurts. Considering it's not present on most of the line it's a flaw that needs to be fixed. Bore axis I'd agree with you on. It's not just on this forum where he ridicules anyone who says the P320 is anything but perfect. Just trying to call it like I see it. I have no axes to grind in any direction. |
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Posted: 3/17/2015 7:53:09 PM EDT
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It's right up there with "high bore axis" Only people I hear complain about people who mention bore axis are Sig owners. |
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Posted: 3/17/2015 9:06:52 PM EDT
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They really went all out to satisfy you...I hope that you let them know...
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Posted: 3/17/2015 10:49:24 PM EDT
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I experienced said pain as well my first few hundred rounds, but have not had an issue since, that or my finger is used to it now. I can't wait for Grey Guns to release their DIY trigger kit though, that will make all the difference to me.
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Posted: 3/18/2015 12:10:34 AM EDT
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I experienced said pain as well my first few hundred rounds, but have not had an issue since, that or my finger is used to it now. I can't wait for Grey Guns to release their DIY trigger kit though, that will make all the difference to me. I just looked up their stuff and I'm fairly excited. I've gotta think that with a removable trigger pack that tuning it would be easier. Not to mention, you can move it from one set up to the next and still only pay that one fee instead of every damn gun. 
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Posted: 3/18/2015 12:24:59 AM EDT
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Just thought I'd follow up on this since I've complained about my P320 a few times. <a href="http://s241.photobucket.com/user/kemays/media/p320_zpsby2hid9y.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff35/kemays/p320_zpsby2hid9y.jpg</a> I sent my P320 back to SIG several months ago for a pretty bad case of trigger slap. The thing was painful to shoot, and it was the first time I've experienced that particular problem with a pistol. SIG sent me a mailing label and kept the gun for about 3.5 months. I sent a follow-up email a couple weeks ago and they said they would get it out to me in a few days. It showed up on my doorstep as promised. The work order reads: Replaced original trigger with updated adverse trigger Test fired 75 rounds, no malfunctions Cleaned pistol in ultrasonic cleaner, lubed to factory specs There is a noticeable difference in comfort with installation of new trigger. Original trigger included for comparison. New magazine used for test firing has been included with an additonal new magazine. Cost to owner: $0.00 I was able to get it out and put about 120 rounds through it today. No more trigger slap, and the trigger weight feels about a half pound lighter than it was. No malfunctions and the sights were dialed in well enough for me. It was pleasant to shoot and the gun came back down on target quickly, with less muzzle flip than I'd expect for such a high bore axis. In addition to two new mags, they also included a swag pack with a hat, stickers, patch, etc. along with the old trigger. I'm quite pleased with the service and won't even complain about the time it took them to get it back to me, since I really didn't miss it while it was gone. I would encourage anyone with the same problem to call SIG and see what they'll do. Apparently it's a real issue and they can fix it. Also, quick question. On one of the Sig forums, I just read that a guy has two seperate P320s. They have two different triggers. One has the #1 on the backside while the other has the #2 on it. the trigger with #2 has what looks to be a guard on the top to help with pinch or black finger. Does your new and old trigger have any of this? Is there a visible difference between the two? |
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Posted: 3/18/2015 11:07:14 AM EDT
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Also, quick question. On one of the Sig forums, I just read that a guy has two seperate P320s. They have two different triggers. One has the #1 on the backside while the other has the #2 on it. the trigger with #2 has what looks to be a guard on the top to help with pinch or black finger. Does your new and old trigger have any of this? Is there a visible difference between the two? ETA: the old trigger has #1, new trigger has #2. #2 has a "shelf" at the top of the trigger shoe. The bottom rear of the trigger is also solid, where #1 is hollowed out at the rear of the tip. Other than that, they look alike in shape. 
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Posted: 3/19/2015 12:54:01 AM EDT
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Ken, sorry for de-legitimizing your problem in that post, glad it's been resolved.
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Posted: 3/19/2015 10:40:54 AM EDT
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Trigger slap
It's right up there with "high bore axis" Not sure why you are trying to make it seem like he doesn't know what he's talking about. The OP is a respected member of this forum. Trigger slap is a real issue and is most often found on cheap AK style rifles. I had a WASR that would do it. Trigger finger would hurt pretty bad after 50 rounds. Not an uncommon problem. Glad they fixed it for you. |
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Posted: 3/19/2015 8:19:11 PM EDT
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Ken, sorry for de-legitimizing your problem in that post, glad it's been resolved. Thanks! 
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Posted: 3/20/2015 1:11:21 PM EDT
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Trigger slap is know to happen with certain guns, and the P320 is one of them. Hickok45 speaks of it in his P320 review, and in his recent review of the P320 Compact at about the 4:10 mark.
I get trigger slap from XD triggers, depending on where I place my finger on the trigger. |
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Posted: 4/27/2015 10:58:57 PM EDT
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Thanks for posting the picture. I spoke to Sig Customer Service today. Mentioned that the trigger on the P320-9mm pinched my finger between tip of trigger and the trigger guard. I believe this is called "trigger bite".
Have you experienced this? I haven't experienced trigger slap so I do not know what occurs. Does the trigger snap forward past reset striking your finger pad? Or...something else? Thanks! Julian |
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Posted: 4/27/2015 11:00:49 PM EDT
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Thanks for posting the picture. I spoke to Sig Customer Service today. Mentioned that the trigger on the P320-9mm pinched my finger between tip of trigger and the trigger guard. I believe this is called "trigger bite".
Have you experienced this? I haven't experienced trigger slap so I do not know what occurs. Does the trigger snap forward past reset striking your finger pad? Or...something else? Thanks! Julian |
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Posted: 4/27/2015 11:25:52 PM EDT
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It was definitely not a case of my finger getting caught between the trigger and trigger guard. The trigger would reset with enough force to impart a nasty sting to my finger.
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