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Posted: 12/16/2014 1:42:06 AM EDT
I'm looking at getting a new toy for the range and am considering one of the above options. 100% of the use of this will be at the range, or maybe a local bullseye match. What are people's preferences for this? I'd like to get something as accurate as possibly with a good trigger.
Link Posted: 12/16/2014 1:47:23 AM EDT
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To me, nothing feels better in my hands than a 1911 of some sort. I shoot them more accurately than any other type of handgun I've ever fired.
Link Posted: 12/16/2014 2:19:24 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/16/2014 5:59:49 AM EDT
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S&W 41's are nice target pistols.
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Link Posted: 12/16/2014 7:25:01 AM EDT
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I'd say revolver for my opinion, because I'm a better revolver shooter than I thought I was over my 1911.
Link Posted: 12/16/2014 8:22:27 AM EDT
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I picked up a Ruger GP 100 and really like shooting it for accuracy.

If it is a rangetoy/ fun gun and you do not have a revolver, I recommend one. I have lots of guns and my 1911's have not went to the range since I bought the revolver.

Most also have the advantage of being powerfull enough to hunt with it that is or ever will be your thing.

Then I would recommend a CZ-75 SP-01 or similar over most 1911's.
Link Posted: 12/16/2014 8:24:11 AM EDT
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I'd say an N frame Smith in your choice of caliber although I would suggest a Model 27 or 28.  Shooting 38s is like nothing and even .357 is fun.  Plus I prefer the single action of the Smiths to any 1911 I have shot.  I think they are both great but prefer the wheelgun trigger more and you still have the choice of a smooth double action, not something you get with a 1911.
Link Posted: 12/16/2014 9:05:41 AM EDT
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I'm torn on this one. The 1911 feels better in my hand than any other handgun. However, revolvers have a place in my gun safe too. A Ruger GP100, S&W 686, or like someone mentioned a S&W 27 or 28 are excellent choices. The most accurate revolver I ever shot was an older S&W model 27. The 8 3/8" barrel 686 I had was one hell of a shooter also.
Link Posted: 12/16/2014 9:11:02 AM EDT
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1911
Link Posted: 12/16/2014 9:11:56 AM EDT
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For the price a 6 inch barreled smith 38 or 357 in k l or n frame will be one of the most accurate guns you can buy until you get to high end 1911's. I shoot a lot of bullseye and after many years with lots of guns settled on a smith model 14 as the center fire gun I shoot best. I was never able to equal with a 1911 the accuracy I get out of a revolver. I always buy used ( plenty of old wheel guns out there ) and for what a bullseye capable 1911 costs you could easily buy 3 or 4 revolvers.
Link Posted: 12/16/2014 9:14:57 AM EDT
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1911 easy. Springfield range officer or STI spartan or trojan, sigs 1911s, dan wesson, or get a les baer with their 1.5" guarantee.
Link Posted: 12/16/2014 9:42:35 AM EDT
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I own and like them both, but a true bullseye competition 1911 will go for several times the price of an excellent target revolver of superior accuracy.

Another pistol I'd recommend is the SIG P220 Super Match which can provide the accuracy of a  semi, or even full custom 1911 costing fully several times it's cost.

That being said, it all really depends on the level of the competition, since very few real world shooters can meet, let alone exceed, the capabilities of a middle of the road target pistol or revolver.

If you're looking to spend  about $1200, take a close look at the new SIG 1911 Super Target in either Nitron or Stainless finish, it's extarordinarilly inexpensive for what you get.

I own and love them all and shoot as many as i possibly can 2-3 times a week, so I've no axe to grind, and IMO its not really all about the mechanical accuracy of any particular handgun, it's about which  you enjoy shooting the most.
Link Posted: 12/16/2014 10:17:30 AM EDT
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I never understand when people say that O well the shooter can't out shoot the gun anyway so what does it matter? If someone isn't a perfect shooter, an inaccurate gun just magnifies the problem. If you can get the most accurate gun possible you are eliminating a variable. An accurate gun will help with anyone. You don't need to be a world class shooter to benefit from a good gun.
Link Posted: 12/16/2014 10:19:01 AM EDT
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When you shoot bullseye out to fifty yards except for a few high end euro guns the only pistols that are sufficiently accurate in center fires are a match tuned 1911 ( for bullseye level performance expect to pay 1200 and up , mostly up) or a revolver. I have seen fifty yard groups fired with box stock smith model 14's ( which can usually be found used in good shape for under 500 bucks) in the sub three inch range. This is from a skilled shooters hand not a rest! Rested groups from these guns can run well under two inches.
Link Posted: 12/16/2014 10:26:10 AM EDT
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CZ. There's a guy on CZ Forums who runs circles around the 1911 guys in bullseye matches with a P-09.
Link Posted: 12/16/2014 10:52:10 AM EDT
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I never understand when people say that O well the shooter can't out shoot the gun anyway so what does it matter? If someone isn't a perfect shooter, an inaccurate gun just magnifies the problem. If you can get the most accurate gun possible you are eliminating a variable. An accurate gun will help with anyone. You don't need to be a world class shooter to benefit from a good gun.
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Not everyone needs to spend thousands of dollars on a finely tuned custom target pistol because the differences in accuracy from a Ransom Rest are actually relatively miniscule in comparison to the shooter's ability;  and the cost differential is huge.
Link Posted: 12/16/2014 11:03:58 AM EDT
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1911 better trigger and is always single action unless you want to pull the hammer back every time.
Better ergonomics on the 1911.
Lower bore axis on the 1911.


Revolvers you can get longer barrels.
High powered cartridges (500 SW 44mag 454 casul etc)
Good triggers can be had but right out of the box 1911 wins.
Link Posted: 12/16/2014 11:13:08 AM EDT
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I never understand when people say that O well the shooter can't out shoot the gun anyway so what does it matter? If someone isn't a perfect shooter, an inaccurate gun just magnifies the problem. If you can get the most accurate gun possible you are eliminating a variable. An accurate gun will help with anyone. You don't need to be a world class shooter to benefit from a good gun.


Not everyone needs to spend thousands of dollars on a finely tuned custom target pistol because the differences in accuracy from a Ransom Rest are actually relatively miniscule in comparison to the shooter's ability;  and the cost differential is huge.


True. There's definitely diminishing returns. But there's got to be a sweet spot for everyone depending on their budget.
Link Posted: 12/16/2014 11:38:40 AM EDT
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True. There's definitely diminishing returns. But there's got to be a sweet spot for everyone depending on their budget.
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I never understand when people say that O well the shooter can't out shoot the gun anyway so what does it matter? If someone isn't a perfect shooter, an inaccurate gun just magnifies the problem. If you can get the most accurate gun possible you are eliminating a variable. An accurate gun will help with anyone. You don't need to be a world class shooter to benefit from a good gun.


Not everyone needs to spend thousands of dollars on a finely tuned custom target pistol because the differences in accuracy from a Ransom Rest are actually relatively miniscule in comparison to the shooter's ability;  and the cost differential is huge.


True. There's definitely diminishing returns. But there's got to be a sweet spot for everyone depending on their budget.


The sweet spot is buy the best you can afford.  Or save and work hard for something more expensive.
Link Posted: 12/16/2014 12:27:07 PM EDT
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Thanks for all the responses. I see people are torn between the two so I'm not any closer to making up my mind.

If I were to go the 1911 route, I have my heart set on a Les baer with the 1.5" guarantee. There is a springfield TRP available locally at a decent price, but if I were to get it, I would still be thinking about the Les Baer.

I know nothing at all about revolvers so I have a lot of reading do to on them. I would like something in .38/.357 if possible. Are revolvers that can shoot both any less accurate than ones that can only shoot one or the other?

FWIW I have a couple target .22s: High standard and ruger. I used an XDm for IDPA(although it's been 2 years and I never really got into it much), and use HK pistols for carry. I used to think my HK45 was pretty accurate when comparing it to 1911s in similar price ranges, but it doesn't come close to the high end 1911s.
Link Posted: 12/16/2014 12:28:52 PM EDT
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"There's a guy..."  Lol.  Common chief, he's just a better shooter.  Put any CZ up to a match grade 2011/1911 and there will be no comparison.
Link Posted: 12/16/2014 12:46:33 PM EDT
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Thanks for all the responses. I see people are torn between the two so I'm not any closer to making up my mind.

If I were to go the 1911 route, I have my heart set on a Les baer with the 1.5" guarantee. There is a springfield TRP available locally at a decent price, but if I were to get it, I would still be thinking about the Les Baer.

I know nothing at all about revolvers so I have a lot of reading do to on them. I would like something in .38/.357 if possible. Are revolvers that can shoot both any less accurate than ones that can only shoot one or the other?

FWIW I have a couple target .22s: High standard and ruger. I used an XDm for IDPA(although it's been 2 years and I never really got into it much), and use HK pistols for carry. I used to think my HK45 was pretty accurate when comparing it to 1911s in similar price ranges, but it doesn't come close to the high end 1911s.
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I think you have already made up your mind.  But can I suggest if you are considering Les Baer (who makes great 1911's) also check out Ed Brown, Wilson Combat, and Nighthawk Customs all 4 make some of the best 1911's in the biz.
Link Posted: 12/16/2014 12:48:04 PM EDT
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Thanks for all the responses. I see people are torn between the two so I'm not any closer to making up my mind.

If I were to go the 1911 route, I have my heart set on a Les baer with the 1.5" guarantee. There is a springfield TRP available locally at a decent price, but if I were to get it, I would still be thinking about the Les Baer.

I know nothing at all about revolvers so I have a lot of reading do to on them. I would like something in .38/.357 if possible. Are revolvers that can shoot both any less accurate than ones that can only shoot one or the other?

FWIW I have a couple target .22s: High standard and ruger. I used an XDm for IDPA(although it's been 2 years and I never really got into it much), and use HK pistols for carry. I used to think my HK45 was pretty accurate when comparing it to 1911s in similar price ranges, but it doesn't come close to the high end 1911s.
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I have several 1911s and a 2011.  None were particularly cheap.  Of the expensive ones, the STI 1911s ran about 2k and the SVI 2011 ran about $4.5k.  The SVI blows just about everything else out there away, trigger coming in at 2.25 lbs.  STI triggers are also excellent, tactical models are around 4/4.5lbs which is perfect for carry.  Other triggers I like are the MK2 Ruger, Model 41 S&W, and old High Standards.

For the price, I REALLY like higher end STI models ($1800-2400) range.  For the price, you get an excellent warranty, excellent customer service, and an excellent shooting pistol.  Negatives, the finish sucks and I wish they didn't use a poly mainspring housing.  But whatever.  I shoot clays @ 35yards from the holster with my Tactical SS 4.0 for practice.  Anything closer feels like cheating.

Next purchase will either be another SVI (2011) but in 10mm, or for 1911's, WC Lightweight rail compact in .38 super, or WC Tactical super grade in 10mm.
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"There's a guy..."  Lol.  Common chief, he's just a better shooter.  Put any CZ up to a match grade 2011/1911 and there will be no comparison.
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CZ. There's a guy on CZ Forums who runs circles around the 1911 guys in bullseye matches with a P-09.


"There's a guy..."  Lol.  Common chief, he's just a better shooter.  Put any CZ up to a match grade 2011/1911 and there will be no comparison.


I guess you have never shot a CZ custom gun.  I'd take a shadow target over any "match grade 2011/1911".
Link Posted: 12/16/2014 2:26:38 PM EDT
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CZ. There's a guy on CZ Forums who runs circles around the 1911 guys in bullseye matches with a P-09.


"There's a guy..."  Lol.  Common chief, he's just a better shooter.  Put any CZ up to a match grade 2011/1911 and there will be no comparison.



Lol...you're clueless.

You know there are custom CZ's that shit on high end/match 1911's and 2011's in competition every year...right?


I mean you aren't that clueless....are you?

Oh, "that guys" forum name is "Joe L". Feel free to go watch videso of him shooting better groups with a P-09 at 100 yards than most 1911/2011 fanboys could ever dream with their guns that cost 3-4X as much.
Link Posted: 12/16/2014 2:27:12 PM EDT
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I guess you have never shot a CZ custom gun.  I'd take a shadow target over any "match grade 2011/1911".
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CZ. There's a guy on CZ Forums who runs circles around the 1911 guys in bullseye matches with a P-09.


"There's a guy..."  Lol.  Common chief, he's just a better shooter.  Put any CZ up to a match grade 2011/1911 and there will be no comparison.


I guess you have never shot a CZ custom gun.  I'd take a shadow target over any "match grade 2011/1911".


Meh, I wouldn't waste time on the guy...he has no idea.
Link Posted: 12/16/2014 2:29:15 PM EDT
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I guess you have never shot a CZ custom gun.  I'd take a shadow target over any "match grade 2011/1911".
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CZ. There's a guy on CZ Forums who runs circles around the 1911 guys in bullseye matches with a P-09.


"There's a guy..."  Lol.  Common chief, he's just a better shooter.  Put any CZ up to a match grade 2011/1911 and there will be no comparison.


I guess you have never shot a CZ custom gun.  I'd take a shadow target over any "match grade 2011/1911".



Any?  Let me know if you make it up north and I'll help you change your mind.  5in ported barrel in 9x23mm Winchester, good for sub 1.5in MPBR out to 100 yards w/ Winchester whitebox 124/5grn @ 1400 FPS.  Yes I'll shoot steel that far when I'm bored.


Link Posted: 12/16/2014 2:31:20 PM EDT
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Any?  Let me know if you make it up north and I'll help you change your mind.  5in ported barrel in 9x23mm Winchester, good for sub 1.5in MPBR out to 100 yards w/ Winchester whitebox 124/5grn @ 1400 FPS.  Yes I'll shoot steel that far when I'm bored.

http://www.f150ecoboost.net/forum/attachments/16335d1403586117-svi-pistol-ready-after-18mo-wait-img_20140623_233939.jpg
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CZ. There's a guy on CZ Forums who runs circles around the 1911 guys in bullseye matches with a P-09.


"There's a guy..."  Lol.  Common chief, he's just a better shooter.  Put any CZ up to a match grade 2011/1911 and there will be no comparison.


I guess you have never shot a CZ custom gun.  I'd take a shadow target over any "match grade 2011/1911".



Any?  Let me know if you make it up north and I'll help you change your mind.  5in ported barrel in 9x23mm Winchester, good for sub 1.5in MPBR out to 100 yards w/ Winchester whitebox 124/5grn @ 1400 FPS.  Yes I'll shoot steel that far when I'm bored.

http://www.f150ecoboost.net/forum/attachments/16335d1403586117-svi-pistol-ready-after-18mo-wait-img_20140623_233939.jpg
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"Good for" 1.5" groups at 100 yards that I bet you can't do.

Whoop dee doo....
Link Posted: 12/16/2014 2:39:43 PM EDT
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"Good for" 1.5" groups at 100 yards that I bet you can't do.

Whoop dee doo....
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CZ. There's a guy on CZ Forums who runs circles around the 1911 guys in bullseye matches with a P-09.


"There's a guy..."  Lol.  Common chief, he's just a better shooter.  Put any CZ up to a match grade 2011/1911 and there will be no comparison.


I guess you have never shot a CZ custom gun.  I'd take a shadow target over any "match grade 2011/1911".



Any?  Let me know if you make it up north and I'll help you change your mind.  5in ported barrel in 9x23mm Winchester, good for sub 1.5in MPBR out to 100 yards w/ Winchester whitebox 124/5grn @ 1400 FPS.  Yes I'll shoot steel that far when I'm bored.

http://www.f150ecoboost.net/forum/attachments/16335d1403586117-svi-pistol-ready-after-18mo-wait-img_20140623_233939.jpg
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"Good for" 1.5" groups at 100 yards that I bet you can't do.

Whoop dee doo....


I'll buy one of these http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-75-ts-czechmate-9mm-black-2x20-rd-1x26-rd-mags/ later next year and let you know.  
Link Posted: 12/16/2014 3:12:48 PM EDT
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If you want to do Bullseye, the 1911 is the better gun. You need a 45 for 1/3 of the match. You can use a 45 for 2/3 of the match.

There are 1911s shooting around an inch at 100 yards. Accuracy X has videos on YouTube showing this. The Bianchi Cup limited championship was won with an Accuracy X.

Revolvers are great.  There are several bullseye games for them. NRA Distinguished Revolver is a good one.
Link Posted: 12/16/2014 3:16:09 PM EDT
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A 6in S&W 686 is tought to beat.
Link Posted: 12/16/2014 3:41:55 PM EDT
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I appreciate the discussion. I'm actually leaning more towards the revolver due to price and the fact that I don't have one yet. My philosophy with my gear is to buy gear that is better than I am. Therefore I am the limiting factor and improvements or problems with my skill are directly reflected in the target. That being said if I'm only capable of 8" groups then the difference between a 1' gun and a 1.5" gun will not be noticeable.

ETA: I've been doing a little research with the brands of revolvers. I'm very new to the revolver world and know nothing about them. Why is the Colt Python so much more expensive than the S&W/Ruger offerings?
Link Posted: 12/16/2014 4:08:48 PM EDT
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Colt snake guns cost more because they're well made, no longer made, and are very photogenic leading to quite a few movies and tv shows adding to people's lust for them. As far as worth it? Depends on who's spending the money but if you just want a great revolver and don't care about "prestige" id opt for the smith. They're easier to find parts for, find people to work on, much cheaper price of admission, and not to mention its very arguable which is actually the "better" gun.
Link Posted: 12/16/2014 4:38:36 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/16/2014 6:32:29 PM EDT
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Hmmm…I'll steer clear of the vitriolic flaming of others just because they have different opinions.

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I'm a died in the wool 1911 guy and I have been for about 35 years. I just love the way they fit me, along with the Hi Power and CZ-75.

However, I'm also realistic and a good revolver will generally outshoot even a match tuned 1911, or a CZ-75.

I can shoot my Ruger Service Six and get tighter groups with a wad cutter, than I can get with a match tuned 1911.  A good .38 Special will do clover leaf groups at 25 yards, while it takes a truly superb 1911 to shoot similar group sizes.

A revolver will also generally shoot flatter and buck wind a little better, even in a fairly anemic caliber. For example with the same service six and the same 800 fps loads, I enjoy ringing the 100 yard steel targets at our club range.  They are the bottom 2' of an 8" welding tank mounted upside down on a steel rod.  I can hit it consistently with a revolver, but with a .45 ACP it's more of a 3 out of 5 proposition.

A used medium framed revolver in .38 special or .357 Mag, like a Securtiy Six or Service Six, in very good to excellent condition will run you about $400.   You're going to have to spend closer to $1000-$1200 to get a 1911 that shoots that well.    

I also like not having to police up my brass. It's a small thing, but one that makes a trip to the range more pleasant, especially on crowded days, or when shooting at the in laws in tall grass or leaves.  







Link Posted: 12/16/2014 6:45:12 PM EDT
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My TRP shoots better than I do.

A successful bullseye shooter gave it a whirl on Sunday at the range.....a good indian with a good arrow can make some extremely tight groups.
Link Posted: 12/16/2014 8:38:10 PM EDT
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Even though "run and gun" competition is all the rage these days, I'd get something like one of these for some laid-back, precision paper-punching.

As Obi Wan would say, "An elegant weapon for a more civilized age."


Link Posted: 12/16/2014 10:39:44 PM EDT
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Just a range gun? Revolver--no question. Doesn't throw brass all over the place and is capable of extreme mechanical accuracy. You can also run just about any type of load that will push the bullet clear of the barrel.

DA revolver shooting is fun, and even more fun when you learn to do it properly.

If I was given a fun afternoon with the choice of any gun and a pile of ammunition, I would choose a revolver.
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Or when shooting something with expensive brass like 10mm, .44, etc.
Link Posted: 12/16/2014 11:44:14 PM EDT
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I'm really leaning towards a revolver. I reload rifle on a single stage press. I have not yet started for handgun and would have a hard time seeing loading .45 on a single stage as worth it. A revolver caliber would be something I'd more likely load.
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 1:38:22 AM EDT
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A nice revolver really interests me but the grip worries me. I'm so used to a thumbs forward grip and I enjoy it. Can't do that with a revolver. But the S&W 929 and 986 in 9mm look really awesome.
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More better:

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To me, nothing feels better in my hands than a 1911 of some sort. I shoot them more accurately than any other type of handgun I've ever fired.


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I've never shot a CZ
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 2:43:11 AM EDT
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I love the feel of a 1911, my STI Elektra .45acp is extremely accurate, especially considering it's a compact model, I'd love to try a full size STI.  It is definitely fun to shoot at the range but I have to admit I've gotten to the point where I'm enjoying shooting revolvers more at the range.  It's more of a slow, methodic, rhythmic type of shooting and I don't have to clean up brass or deal with flying brass.  There are other reasons but that's mainly it I think.

I only have two double action revolvers at the moment but they are both extremely fun to shoot and both accurate although one significantly so.  My Ruger GP100 Wiley Clapp .357 is a great little fun gun and shoots extremely well for a 3" revolver but I'm guessing you are wanting something a little more "serious".  If you want something with great accuracy and the attributes of a "target gun" without being a target gun you can go with the Dan Wesson's, the Colt Python or something from the S&W Performance Center such as my S&W 629 V-Comp Performance Center .44 magnum.  The .44 magnum isn't everyone's idea of fun at the range but I love it and this gun handles the recoil very well.  That combined with the incredible hand tuned action and trigger, this gun is addictive to shoot, even in .44 magnum and it is VERY accurate.  They do make a .357 magnum model called the 627 V-Comp that has a different finish and holds 8 rounds which I definitely plan to get someday to go with my 629 V-Comp.  These things aren't cheap but by comparison to guns like the Python they are a great deal.

Here's mine.  I don't necessarily recommend this one unless you like the power like I do but the 627 V-Comp is a an awesome option if you want to stick with the .357 magnum.  This is, by far, my very favorite gun to shoot and it's really not as bad as people imagine it to be.
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 5:03:53 AM EDT
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Meh, I wouldn't waste time on the guy...he has no idea.
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CZ. There's a guy on CZ Forums who runs circles around the 1911 guys in bullseye matches with a P-09.


"There's a guy..."  Lol.  Common chief, he's just a better shooter.  Put any CZ up to a match grade 2011/1911 and there will be no comparison.


I guess you have never shot a CZ custom gun.  I'd take a shadow target over any "match grade 2011/1911".


Meh, I wouldn't waste time on the guy...he has no idea.
Yeah, but the OP wants opinions on the 1911 or a revolver.

I like CZ, but CZ isn't on the OP's table.
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 6:53:14 AM EDT
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I'm really leaning towards a revolver. I reload rifle on a single stage press. I have not yet started for handgun and would have a hard time seeing loading .45 on a single stage as worth it. A revolver caliber would be something I'd more likely load.
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Do it. You can't describe the zen of shooting and reloading lead semi-wadcutters, you have to experience it. I load everything on my single stage without a problem (approaching 20,000 rounds), but my first handgun caliber to load was the .38 Special. A 158 gr. LSWC at about 850 fps is a fun and accurate load out of a service revolver.
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 6:56:16 AM EDT
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A nice revolver really interests me but the grip worries me. I'm so used to a thumbs forward grip and I enjoy it. Can't do that with a revolver. But the S&W 929 and 986 in 9mm look really awesome.
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You won't care. I shoot thumbs forward instinctively with my 1911 or Glock, but when I pick up a revolver the left thumb naturally goes over the right and locks both in fingers out of the way of the cylinder. No big deal.
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 10:51:03 AM EDT
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Get a nice used 686/586, Mod 19/66 or N Frame in 357 Mag. They are a blast to shoot and easy to reload for. I have some very nice 1911 examples and some nice revolvers. If I am just having fun at the range, I usually grab the revolver first.

I am also strongly of the opinion that anyone who can learn to shoot a double action revolver well, can really shoot a 1911 well.

Another interesting thought would be a single action revolver. I really enjoy shooting my Rugers and they are all very tough and accurate.

The only thing I do not like about revolvers is the cleaning.
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 11:12:39 AM EDT
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Somewhat on topic, watching jerry miculek shoot anything, but especially a revolver is just awesome.
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