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Posted: 7/7/2014 6:43:59 AM EDT
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For what it's worth, I don't consider a slow dropping or non-dropping empty Glock 26 mag to be a malfunction. Especially out of a G26 with a mag with much less mass than a compact of full size gun Well there you are. |
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Posted: 7/7/2014 6:45:55 AM EDT
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For what it's worth, I don't consider a slow dropping or non-dropping empty Glock 26 mag to be a malfunction. Especially out of a G26 with a mag with much less mass than a compact of full size gun Well, I don't think it's the low mass of the magazine causing it to hang up. He stated they had to physically pull them out, and exert a little force to get them out. Drop free magazines not dropping free sounds like a problem to me. |
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Posted: 7/7/2014 6:54:18 AM EDT
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Well, I don't think it's the low mass of the magazine causing it to hang up. He stated they had to physically pull them out, and exert a little force to get them out. Drop free magazines not dropping free sounds like a problem to me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For what it's worth, I don't consider a slow dropping or non-dropping empty Glock 26 mag to be a malfunction. Especially out of a G26 with a mag with much less mass than a compact of full size gun Well, I don't think it's the low mass of the magazine causing it to hang up. He stated they had to physically pull them out, and exert a little force to get them out. Drop free magazines not dropping free sounds like a problem to me. It is a problem. Something is broken or reassembled wrong or out of spec I'm not making excuses but there is info missing. Who knows how much " lone wolf" garbage or Korean mags we are talking about. Stuck Glock mags are as common as stuck M&P mags in my experience. Which is to say......rare and indicative of some larger problem |
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Posted: 7/7/2014 7:36:21 AM EDT
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It is a problem. Something is broken or reassembled wrong or out of spec I'm not making excuses but there is info missing. Who knows how much " lone wolf" garbage or Korean mags we are talking about. Stuck Glock mags are as common as stuck M&P mags in my experience. Which is to say......rare and indicative of some larger problem Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For what it's worth, I don't consider a slow dropping or non-dropping empty Glock 26 mag to be a malfunction. Especially out of a G26 with a mag with much less mass than a compact of full size gun Well, I don't think it's the low mass of the magazine causing it to hang up. He stated they had to physically pull them out, and exert a little force to get them out. Drop free magazines not dropping free sounds like a problem to me. It is a problem. Something is broken or reassembled wrong or out of spec I'm not making excuses but there is info missing. Who knows how much " lone wolf" garbage or Korean mags we are talking about. Stuck Glock mags are as common as stuck M&P mags in my experience. Which is to say......rare and indicative of some larger problem Fair enough. To be honest, I don't really have anything against either polymer or metal mags. I generally just generally prefer metal mags as the guns that use them tend to have more ergonomic grips for me. |
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Posted: 7/7/2014 7:39:53 PM EDT
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I don't own an M&P, but my understanding was that Glock coated their metal magazines in polymer because they used a polymer magazine release, which added some nominal girth to the magazine. I have Glocks among many other manufacturers for their pure function and simplicity, but I am not a Glock kool-aid drinker. I have seen many Glock magazines with cracked polymer around the lips or witness holes and with significant peening where the polymer on the magazine contacts the polymer release; neither issue seems to affect their function. I suspect that a metal only magazine with a polymer magazine release would quickly wear or deform the magazine release, hence the polymer "shell" with what appears to be a larger bearing surface than a metal-metal system. I admit that I don't know if an M&P has a metal or polymer release. While I generally prefer metal magazines mated with metal magazine releases, both types seem to work fine if the magazine retention system was designed properly for the materials and its properties.
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Posted: 7/8/2014 2:19:30 AM EDT
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While this may be true, take a look at the inside of a polymer magwell after doing a few thousand mag changes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thinner, less friction when dropping the mag, overall just better. Just because glock doesn't use it doesn't mean its inferior. Metal mags are pretty proven as well. While this may be true, take a look at the inside of a polymer magwell after doing a few thousand mag changes. That is why there are no third party metal glock mags Use to be but you point out why they aren't used much |
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Posted: 7/8/2014 4:58:30 AM EDT
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both will slowly eat away at a polly frame.
Search over at BE.com around the time the rule changeswere coming out for production. You may be able to find a picture of a glock 9mm after years of reloads and how it changed the internal dimension of the magazine well. |
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Posted: 7/8/2014 5:51:35 AM EDT
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I don't own an M&P, but my understanding was that Glock coated their metal magazines in polymer because they used a polymer magazine release, which added some nominal girth to the magazine. I have Glocks among many other manufacturers for their pure function and simplicity, but I am not a Glock kool-aid drinker. I have seen many Glock magazines with cracked polymer around the lips or witness holes and with significant peening where the polymer on the magazine contacts the polymer release; neither issue seems to affect their function. I suspect that a metal only magazine with a polymer magazine release would quickly wear or deform the magazine release, hence the polymer "shell" with what appears to be a larger bearing surface than a metal-metal system. I admit that I don't know if an M&P has a metal or polymer release. While I generally prefer metal magazines mated with metal magazine releases, both types seem to work fine if the magazine retention system was designed properly for the materials and its properties. The M&P mag release is mostly polymer with a metal hook that retains the magazine. |
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Posted: 7/8/2014 6:28:28 AM EDT
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both will slowly eat away at a polly frame. Search over at BE.com around the time the rule changeswere coming out for production. You may be able to find a picture of a glock 9mm after years of reloads and how it changed the internal dimension of the magazine well. Ok Send it to Glock and have them replace the frame |
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Posted: 8/24/2014 4:10:52 AM EDT
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Glocks mags aren't made of plastic
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Posted: 8/25/2014 1:49:44 PM EDT
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I guess the answer is that if it ain't broke don't fix it. I have S&W metal mags from as far back 1978 that I have kept fully loaded since day one.. They came with my 659 Smith. I milled slots in them so I could also use them in my Ruger P95. I shoot a lot and don't ever remember having a jam in either pistol. When it comes to Glock mags I replace them each year or I get jams. Welded steel mags work if made from good quality steel.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 7:10:58 PM EDT
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It's not common but I have experienced a smeared magazine catch notch on a Glock mag, caused by the mag catch engaging just a bit high on the mag and then slipping out on firing, damaging the magazine beyond repair. I suppose mag catch notches could get damaged by dropping as well, tho again, I do not think it is common at all.
I prefer steel magazines for those reasons, tho really, the problem is far more theoretical than practical. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 1:17:56 PM EDT
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HK = Metal Mag Sig = Metal Mag Beretta = Metal Mag Walther = Metal Mag S&W = Metal Mag Springfield Armory = Metal Mag Glock = Plastic Mag I think some HK pistols have used polymer mags (USP 9?), but yeah... I always thought Glock mags were polymer lined for some reason. 
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Posted: 8/27/2014 1:47:18 PM EDT
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My point is metal mags tend to tear up polymer frames. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thinner, less friction when dropping the mag, overall just better. Just because glock doesn't use it doesn't mean its inferior. Metal mags are pretty proven as well. While this may be true, take a look at the inside of a polymer magwell after doing a few thousand mag changes. Or just use a metal mag and reap the benefits starting from mag change 1 instead of a few thousand... I'm not sure what you're point is here My point is metal mags tend to tear up polymer frames. 
I'm not an expert in all things to do with firearms, but I've never heard of somebody wearing out a polymer mag well because their gun uses metal mags.
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Posted: 8/28/2014 7:26:53 AM EDT
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Why does S&W make metal magazines?
Real simple question to answer from a logistics/production stand point; They are SET-UP TO MAKE METAL MAGAZINES. They have the production line, drop forges, dies, industrial expertise, all the infrastructure to make metal magazines. It is seriously expensive to change a production line or build a new one. Also the normal American gun customer is a finicky "traditional" bunch ("why I don't like that plastic magazine shit.... it's just cheap shit") never mind it might be better. |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 7:34:18 AM EDT
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narrower magazines = narrower grips. Feels like a huge difference between a G21 and a M&P45, although I'm sure it's only 1/10th of an inch or so. S&W has a history of using steel mags, they work , why reinvent the wheel? Glock made polymer stuff long before they made guns, such as polymer grenades. It made sense to make a pistol and magazine for it out of polymer. That's not because of the mag material, that's because of the mag width and stacking. The Glock 21 mags are much wider allowing 13 rounds where the M&P mags are narrower only allowing 10 |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 7:55:27 AM EDT
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narrower magazines = narrower grips. Feels like a huge difference between a G21 and a M&P45, although I'm sure it's only 1/10th of an inch or so. S&W has a history of using steel mags, they work , why reinvent the wheel? Glock made polymer stuff long before they made guns, such as polymer grenades. It made sense to make a pistol and magazine for it out of polymer. There ya go. The M&P .45 doesn't use true double stack magazines, either, which is why it only holds 10 rounds and the Glock 21 holds 13. Glock mags are metal on the inside and plastic on the outside. Not sure what the intention is with the design. |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 7:56:11 AM EDT
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HK = Metal Mag Sig = Metal Mag Beretta = Metal Mag Walther = Metal Mag S&W = Metal Mag Springfield Armory = Metal Mag Glock = Plastic Mag HK USP 9mm and .40 S&W pistols have plastic magazines. |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 7:57:45 AM EDT
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As does the 9mm. And unlike the Glocks, I believe there is no metal reinforcement, but I still have not heard of people having issues with them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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HK = Metal Mag Sig = Metal Mag Beretta = Metal Mag Walther = Metal Mag S&W = Metal Mag Springfield Armory = Metal Mag Glock = Plastic Mag HK USP 40 uses polymer mags As does the 9mm. And unlike the Glocks, I believe there is no metal reinforcement, but I still have not heard of people having issues with them. They have metal down in the feed lips. |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 8:21:28 AM EDT
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I'm not an expert in all things to do with firearms, but I've never heard of somebody wearing out a polymer mag well because their gun uses metal mags. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thinner, less friction when dropping the mag, overall just better. Just because glock doesn't use it doesn't mean its inferior. Metal mags are pretty proven as well. While this may be true, take a look at the inside of a polymer magwell after doing a few thousand mag changes. Or just use a metal mag and reap the benefits starting from mag change 1 instead of a few thousand... I'm not sure what you're point is here My point is metal mags tend to tear up polymer frames.
I'm not an expert in all things to do with firearms, but I've never heard of somebody wearing out a polymer mag well because their gun uses metal mags. After a few thousand mag changes, the inside of the mag well gets pretty beat up, but as long as it doesn't impede the insertion and ejection of magazines, it's really just a cosmetic issue. |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 9:32:02 AM EDT
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I wonder why M&P doesn't use polymer mags. Brand "G" has done very well with them, so I think it's a proven method. Glock magazines are lined with metal. |
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