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Posted: 7/11/2016 1:21:50 PM EDT
I see that TK custom sells moon clips for various types to brass, but they seem a touch expensive for what they are. Is there another source?



I assume you can buy some direct from S&W... but I did not find them on their website.




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I see that TK custom sells moon clips for various types to brass, but they seem a touch expensive for what they are. Is there another source?



I assume you can buy some direct from S&W... but I did not find them on their website.



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Unfortunately for a 38/357 J-frame TK Custom is just about your only option.  TK Custom is, as I understand it, the OEM supplier to S&W for 38/357 J-frame moonclips.  They are expensive but they do work, very nicely.
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  Unfortunately for a 38/357 J-frame TK Custom is just about your only option.  TK Custom is, as I understand it, the OEM supplier to S&W for 38/357 J-frame moonclips.  They are expensive but they do work, very nicely.

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I see that TK custom sells moon clips for various types to brass, but they seem a touch expensive for what they are. Is there another source?



I assume you can buy some direct from S&W... but I did not find them on their website.





  Unfortunately for a 38/357 J-frame TK Custom is just about your only option.  TK Custom is, as I understand it, the OEM supplier to S&W for 38/357 J-frame moonclips.  They are expensive but they do work, very nicely.



This was what I was finding, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask folks who are in the know. I've never been a revolver guy...



It's also good to know that not all clips are compatible with all types/brands of brass. I'll probably just have to suck it up and buy a package, if I decide to go the moon clip route rather than speed loaders or strips.



 
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I've got one of the first 442 Pros, I generally keep the moon clip in the gun for positive extraction and they all come out at once.  However, since I pocket carry the 442 my reloads are a speed strip in the back pocket when wearing jeans.


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CD has a great point, the moon clip makes sense loaded in the revolver but a speed loader or speed strip make more sense for reloads. Unless you carry spare moon clips in a hard carrier you risk them being bent and binding up your revolver.
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CD has a great point, the moon clip makes sense loaded in the revolver but a speed loader or speed strip make more sense for reloads. Unless you carry spare moon clips in a hard carrier you risk them being bent and binding up your revolver.
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I've got one of the first 442 Pros, I generally keep the moon clip in the gun for positive extraction and they all come out at once.  However, since I pocket carry the 442 my reloads are a speed strip in the back pocket when wearing jeans.





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CD has a great point, the moon clip makes sense loaded in the revolver but a speed loader or speed strip make more sense for reloads. Unless you carry spare moon clips in a hard carrier you risk them being bent and binding up your revolver.


This is exactly my plan, if I end up using moon clips at all. I've just been checking things out and making a list of things I'd like to have on hand when I finally bring the revolver home.



 
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This is exactly my plan, if I end up using moon clips at all. I've just been checking things out and making a list of things I'd like to have on hand when I finally bring the revolver home.
 
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I've got one of the first 442 Pros, I generally keep the moon clip in the gun for positive extraction and they all come out at once.  However, since I pocket carry the 442 my reloads are a speed strip in the back pocket when wearing jeans.


CD


CD has a great point, the moon clip makes sense loaded in the revolver but a speed loader or speed strip make more sense for reloads. Unless you carry spare moon clips in a hard carrier you risk them being bent and binding up your revolver.

This is exactly my plan, if I end up using moon clips at all. I've just been checking things out and making a list of things I'd like to have on hand when I finally bring the revolver home.
 


When I used to compete with a S&W 625 I would load every clip into the revolver, pull the hammer with my thumb just enough to "free" the cylinder and spin it keeping my trigger finger off the trigger and resting on the frame. I did this with every loaded moon clip I was planning to use for the match the night before or morning of at home. The purpose was to make sure the clips didn't bind at all, it also checked for any high primers or other ammo issues I missed since I shot reloads. I would want to do the same with a carry revolver.

Of course with the 442 you don't have a hammer to do this with so the above manner of testing isn't an option unless you have another J frame with a hammer. To be honest I'd be hesitant to trust them for self defense without checking them. I'm probably being overly cautious...

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When I used to compete with a S&W 625 I would load every clip into the revolver, pull the hammer with my thumb just enough to "free" the cylinder and spin it keeping my trigger finger off the trigger and resting on the frame. I did this with every loaded moon clip I was planning to use for the match the night before or morning of at home. The purpose was to make sure the clips didn't bind at all, it also checked for any high primers or other ammo issues I missed since I shot reloads. I would want to do the same with a carry revolver.





Of course with the 442 you don't have a hammer to do this with so the above manner of testing isn't an option unless you have another J frame with a hammer. To be honest I'd be hesitant to trust them for self defense without checking them. I'm probably being overly cautious...





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I've got one of the first 442 Pros, I generally keep the moon clip in the gun for positive extraction and they all come out at once.  However, since I pocket carry the 442 my reloads are a speed strip in the back pocket when wearing jeans.
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CD has a great point, the moon clip makes sense loaded in the revolver but a speed loader or speed strip make more sense for reloads. Unless you carry spare moon clips in a hard carrier you risk them being bent and binding up your revolver.



This is exactly my plan, if I end up using moon clips at all. I've just been checking things out and making a list of things I'd like to have on hand when I finally bring the revolver home.


 






When I used to compete with a S&W 625 I would load every clip into the revolver, pull the hammer with my thumb just enough to "free" the cylinder and spin it keeping my trigger finger off the trigger and resting on the frame. I did this with every loaded moon clip I was planning to use for the match the night before or morning of at home. The purpose was to make sure the clips didn't bind at all, it also checked for any high primers or other ammo issues I missed since I shot reloads. I would want to do the same with a carry revolver.





Of course with the 442 you don't have a hammer to do this with so the above manner of testing isn't an option unless you have another J frame with a hammer. To be honest I'd be hesitant to trust them for self defense without checking them. I'm probably being overly cautious...





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I do similar with my my moonclips I use in competition (610, 625, 627).  Everyone got checked before a match.  They then get put in tackle boxes to be protected in transport.






 
With my 442 I load the moonclip into the 442 and close the cylinder between cylinder lock notches.  Keep you finger off the trigger and pointed in a safe direction.  You can then using your hand to rotate the cylinder back and forth between notches to ensure that you don't have a bent clip causing excessive drag on the recoil face.  If your really paranoid you can do it four more times between all 5 chambers.  One time is probably sufficient.  My 442 moonclips don't get abused the way my N-frame moonclip do so I have never had a problem with a damaged 442 Moonclip.







If you do choose to carry a moonclip for a reload get a moonclip protector for in your pocket.  Keeps the moonclip from getting bent or round dislodged if you bang into something.












 
Link Posted: 7/16/2016 11:31:10 PM EDT
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Got my hands on a NIB 442 Pro for a deal and picked up some ammo. The clips that came with the gun fit the Federal brass just fine, but are very tight, and don't work with the Winchester or Fiocchi stuff. Looks like I may have to place an order with TK at some point.
Link Posted: 7/17/2016 9:17:54 AM EDT
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does Ranch Products (Malinta, Ohio) make the clips you are looking for... used them extensively in my M25,but it's been a lot of years
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Got my hands on a NIB 442 Pro for a deal and picked up some ammo. The clips that came with the gun fit the Federal brass just fine, but are very tight, and don't work with the Winchester or Fiocchi stuff. Looks like I may have to place an order with TK at some point.
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How old it that Winchester Ammo?  I ask because my carry ammo is currently Winchester PDX1 130 JHP and the brass fits very nicely on the OEM moonclips that came with my 442.  Now I have a bunch of 38 brass that I got for reloading and most of that Winchester brass will not fit on the OEM moon clips.  It older but how much older I don't know.



Seems maybe new Winchester is starting fall in line with the other manufactures?  It interesting since there is no actually moonclip groove dimensional specification, not even from SAAMI.  The SAAMI drawings for 38 and 357 have no moonclip grooves.  I have even found actual brass from some off brands that do not have the moonclip grooves cut in them.
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How old it that Winchester Ammo?  I ask because my carry ammo is currently Winchester PDX1 130 JHP and the brass fits very nicely on the OEM moonclips that came with my 442.  Now I have a bunch of 38 brass that I got for reloading and most of that Winchester brass will not fit on the OEM moon clips.  It older but how much older I don't know.

Seems maybe new Winchester is starting fall in line with the other manufactures?  It interesting since there is no actually moonclip groove dimensional specification, not even from SAAMI.  The SAAMI drawings for 38 and 357 have no moonclip grooves.  I have even found actual brass from some off brands that do not have the moonclip grooves cut in them.
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Got my hands on a NIB 442 Pro for a deal and picked up some ammo. The clips that came with the gun fit the Federal brass just fine, but are very tight, and don't work with the Winchester or Fiocchi stuff. Looks like I may have to place an order with TK at some point.
How old it that Winchester Ammo?  I ask because my carry ammo is currently Winchester PDX1 130 JHP and the brass fits very nicely on the OEM moonclips that came with my 442.  Now I have a bunch of 38 brass that I got for reloading and most of that Winchester brass will not fit on the OEM moon clips.  It older but how much older I don't know.

Seems maybe new Winchester is starting fall in line with the other manufactures?  It interesting since there is no actually moonclip groove dimensional specification, not even from SAAMI.  The SAAMI drawings for 38 and 357 have no moonclip grooves.  I have even found actual brass from some off brands that do not have the moonclip grooves cut in them.


The Winchester stuff in that photo is obviously some old stock... looks to be from the 80's or earlier. Vintage, if you will. Ha!

Tonight I bought a box of the PDX Winchester stuff myself, before I came back and looked at this thread, and I was pleasantly surprised that it fit the OEM clips as well.

I am going to put a few different types of ammo through this 442 and see how close the different types hit to the sights. IIRC these things are regulated for 158gr ammo... and I want to know where things are going before I settle on a carry load. The Ranger Bonded/PDX-1 load is high on my list of hopefuls.

I do wish I could find some FGMM wad cutter to try.

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