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Posted: 1/4/2008 3:35:09 PM
Im looking at trading in my G22 for a HK USP compact of some caliber. ive held the .40 and 45 and both fit really well. Is the 9mm similar to the .40? Also i keep hearing from everyone out here that if your gonna ccw go with a 9mm because of cost and you get more rounds. Im also ditching the glock for the hk for the safety feature, but also the reliability if the same as glock from what ime told. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you
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Posted: 1/4/2008 4:26:32 PM

Originally Posted By enasty7:

Also i keep hearing from everyone out here that if your gonna ccw go with a 9mm because of cost and you get more rounds.



I don't know who told you that, but it sure wasn't a USP .45 owner.................

Yes, one can get a few more rds with a 9mm over a .45acp. Is it worth it? *I* don't think so. Only two caliber of guns *I* CCW with & those are .45acp & .357mag.

As for ammo, if one buys smartly, one can get pretty good deals on ammo (relatively speaking). I buy mine from GA Arms, an arfcom sponsor.

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Posted: 1/4/2008 5:53:09 PM

Originally Posted By enasty7:
Im looking at trading in my G22 for a HK USP compact of some caliber. ive held the .40 and 45 and both fit really well. Is the 9mm similar to the .40? Also i keep hearing from everyone out here that if your gonna ccw go with a 9mm because of cost and you get more rounds. Im also ditching the glock for the hk for the safety feature, but also the reliability if the same as glock from what ime told. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you


The .40 and 9mm are the same size.

If you weren't looking for the manual safety, I'd say take a look at the P2000 or the new P30. Since you want the safety, a USPc is likely the way to go. However, if you go with a .45 you should also check out the new HK45.

I think a large number of people go with 9mm, but it's certainly not the only choice.

9mm is cheaper, which can equate to more practice, which can equate to more skill. The key word being "can." Get some instruction and training and practice and you can become proficient at any caliber. 9mm is just likely the caliber that makes becoming proficient cheaper and perhaps even easier, since it has less recoil. Less recoil can make reacquiring your sights easier for faster shooting while still remaining on target.

9mm also holds more rounds, so you have more shots (without a reload) to defend yourself with if need be. It's often said that most altercations only require 2-3 shots, so you won't need those extra rounds. However, and don't quote me on this, I think new figures have come out suggesting that more rounds are often needed and the number of attackers is often greater than 1 person. I read that here on AR15, but did not see the actual study or stats. Not to mention that during a self defense situation you're not going to be the best shot and even experts miss under stress.

The biggest reason people seem to go with larger calibers is for the mythical "knock down power." For a bullet to generally be considered effective for self defense it has to have a certain level of penetration and successful expansion. The larger calibers like .40 and .45 will likely penetrate and expand more than a 9mm. However, with modern hollow point bullets, even 9mm meets the recommended levels of penetration and expansion and studies show 9mm to be a consistently effective "takedown" caliber. Shoot someone in the right place with 9 or 45 and they're going down. The larger calibers' advantages come in to play more when the attacker is fat or when shooting through something, such as auto glass.

For me, I go with 9mm. It's cheaper, I shoot more, and it has less recoil that I feel would make my shots more likely to stay on target under stress. Training can help you with any caliber though. I also like the higher capacity in case I face multiple attackers. I don't much like .40 S&W though. To me it has too much recoil, but not much difference than a .45 in penetration and expansion (if any). There are .40 fans though, so perhaps they can enlighten you.

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Posted: 1/4/2008 9:28:55 PM
good info thanks the the replies. i have to wait 90 days here since i just moved to this state before i can apply for my ccw, so i have some time to weigh my options. but my carry gu is def gonna be some for of a H&K
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Posted: 1/5/2008 4:27:32 AM
for CCW, i'd opt for the HK compacts or the HK P2000 (SK if you need it REAL small or as a BUG)

handling wise, i prefer .45acp and the 9mm; for carry in the HK, i'd probably opt for the 9mm--very smooth shooting
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Posted: 1/5/2008 5:15:51 PM
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Posted: 1/5/2008 5:18:15 PM
USP Compact 9mm with 15 round P30 mags, HK P7 or Glock 19
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Posted: 1/5/2008 5:44:18 PM

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USP Compact 9mm with 15 round P30 mags, HK P7 or Glock 19


Throw USP .45C into that list if you prefer a larger caliber and its a damn near perfect list of CCW options
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Posted: 1/5/2008 5:51:07 PM
I have a USPC 40. I like it, Very accurate it's never had a malfunction in thousands of rounds. I have several thousand rounds of 40 for it and my P229. I have shot a USPC 9, USPC 45 and pretty much every type of HK Pistol that came into the shop/Range where I worked. Sometimes the DA trigger pull is a little heavy..
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Posted: 1/5/2008 8:27:01 PM
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Posted: 1/6/2008 1:51:30 AM

Originally Posted By MouseBoy:
USP Compact 9mm with 15 round P30 mags, HK P7 or Glock 19


P30 mags in a USPc 9, eh?

Good to know.
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Posted: 1/6/2008 2:01:08 AM
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Posted: 1/6/2008 12:34:27 PM
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I carry a 9mm as a sidearm in the Marines, and I would NEVER carry one if it was my choice about the matter.

My USP Compact is chambered in 40 S&W. In all honestly, when I first shot it, I hated it. No bullshit. HATED it. However, after about 800 rounds it broke in nicely and now is my second favorite handgun (behind my 1911....of course). 13 rounds of 40 S&W Hydras will really ruin your day, and I have concealed it in every temperature with a simple IWB holster. It's a great carry gun. Right now I have around 2K rounds through it, so I still have a long way to go.

I considered the .45, my personal favorite pistol caliber, but it dawned on me as this. By simple muscle memory...I am always going to shoot twice, doesn't matter if it's a controlled pair or a hammered pair...that pistol's barkin twice at you. So, with the .45, I could get 4 people (on a perfect day) before my mag change. With the .40, I can get 6. I am preety sure two 40's will kill you just as dead as the two .45s. So I took the .40

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Posted: 1/6/2008 12:42:02 PM
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Another vote for the .40 USPc, I love mine. I have fairly small hands and with the flat base plates (no finger extension) it conceals very well in a IWB holster under an untucked shirt.

editted to add I can get my whole hand on the grip without the thumb extensions so they are just extra bulk in my case, YMMV.
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Posted: 1/6/2008 12:52:58 PM
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Posted: 1/6/2008 6:58:22 PM
+1 for the compact 40. Carried one for a few years and just now trying out my P2000sk in 40. It hides so much better even though the difference in size is small. If I get the stainless compact 40, I'll make the switch back in a heartbeat.
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Posted: 1/7/2008 4:37:20 PM
I carry the USP C 9 MM and it's just fine.
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Posted: 1/8/2008 10:29:50 AM
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Originally Posted By SemperShadow:
I carry a 9mm as a sidearm in the Marines, and I would NEVER carry one if it was my choice about the matter.

My USP Compact is chambered in 40 S&W. In all honestly, when I first shot it, I hated it. No bullshit. HATED it. However, after about 800 rounds it broke in nicely and now is my second favorite handgun (behind my 1911....of course). 13 rounds of 40 S&W Hydras will really ruin your day, and I have concealed it in every temperature with a simple IWB holster. It's a great carry gun. Right now I have around 2K rounds through it, so I still have a long way to go.

I considered the .45, my personal favorite pistol caliber, but it dawned on me as this. By simple muscle memory...I am always going to shoot twice, doesn't matter if it's a controlled pair or a hammered pair...that pistol's barkin twice at you. So, with the .45, I could get 4 people (on a perfect day) before my mag change. With the .40, I can get 6. I am preety sure two 40's will kill you just as dead as the two .45s. So I took the .40

Hope this helps.


Pffft. World of difference between what you are carrying both in weapon and ammo then what you would be carrying out here in the civilian world. I carry a 9mm more then comfortably knowing the capabilities of ammo out here when it comes to 9mm. With current ballistics capabilities in 9mm...there is not a lot of difference between a 9mm and .45.

A P7M8 would be an excellent choice if you have the scratch for it. A P30 is a good choice as well.
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Posted: 1/8/2008 10:49:28 AM
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HK USP has a higher bore axis than Glocks, most everything does. So this may be something you may notice and want to consider. I`m not a fan of .40. I have a USP/C in .45 and wouldn`t mind having one in 9mm at all. All my Glocks are 9mm, plenty good performance out of the modern 9mm ammo today, plus very mild recoil and more capacity ofcourse. So .45 or 9mm would be my choices.

What variant are you going after? I forget which one mine is but it`s the one with cocked & locked capability and I carry it that way. If it wasn`t I wouldnt like it very much. The difference between the USP dbl action to single action is huge for me.

I`m wanting a HK45 compact, seems to have some slight but decent refinements to the USP.
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Posted: 1/8/2008 10:53:15 AM
My duty weapon is a USP compact .40 with the LEM trigger. I like it a lot, but it's pretty bulky and heavy for concealed carry. When I'm home I carry a Kahr P9.
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Posted: 1/8/2008 12:04:51 PM
im down to either getting a 9mm or the .45, but i also would like it to be double action first shot and then single from there out. Thanks for all the input
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Posted: 1/8/2008 12:35:47 PM

Originally Posted By enasty7:
im down to either getting a 9mm or the .45, but i also would like it to be double action first shot and then single from there out. Thanks for all the input


Why?Why DA first shot?
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Posted: 1/8/2008 3:15:12 PM
is there something different cause i cant seem to find any info from HK about it on there website
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