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Posted: 8/12/2008 3:22:02 PM
I just purchased a Springfield 1911 MC Operator and was wondering which ammo would be the best man-stopper. My cousin recommends Black Talon. I just wanted to hear some other opinions.
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Posted: 8/12/2008 3:32:46 PM

Originally Posted By majnemesis:
I just purchased a Springfield 1911 MC Operator and was wondering which ammo would be the best man-stopper. My cousin recommends Black Talon. I just wanted to hear some other opinions.


Its all about shot placement and what feeds relaibly in your firearm, Black talons are old generation, if you want to go that route then get some Ranger T's series ( good luck in finding some right now)
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Posted: 8/12/2008 3:32:58 PM
I prefer Federal HST 230+P, it has excellent ballistics and is extremely accurate. It's LEO only but is available thru Streichers. Winchester Ranger 230 is also a good round but costs almost $10 more per box so I'll stick with the HST.
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Posted: 8/12/2008 4:31:24 PM

Originally Posted By torrejon224:
I prefer Federal HST 230+P, it has excellent ballistics and is extremely accurate. It's LEO only but is available thru Streichers. Winchester Ranger 230 is also a good round but costs almost $10 more per box so I'll stick with the HST.


Where did you hear that?
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Posted: 8/12/2008 4:37:21 PM

Originally Posted By PreemptiveStrike:

Originally Posted By torrejon224:
I prefer Federal HST 230+P, it has excellent ballistics and is extremely accurate. It's LEO only but is available thru Streichers. Winchester Ranger 230 is also a good round but costs almost $10 more per box so I'll stick with the HST.


Where did you hear that?


Thats what I was wondering
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Posted: 8/12/2008 5:24:28 PM

Originally Posted By majnemesis:
I just purchased a Springfield 1911 MC Operator and was wondering which ammo would be the best man-stopper. My cousin recommends Black Talon. I just wanted to hear some other opinions.

Please read THIS tacked thread for recommended self-defense ammunition.

I'm currently using Taurus Hex [DPX] 185gr all-copper in my top drawer .45



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Posted: 8/12/2008 5:33:12 PM
230 gr. Gold Dot Hollow Point. The "flying ashtray" of the 21st century.
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Posted: 8/12/2008 6:20:44 PM

Originally Posted By NAM:
230 gr. Gold Dot Hollow Point. The "flying ashtray" of the 21st century.


+ 1 (I think.)

I don't get the "flying ashtray"
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Posted: 8/12/2008 6:52:34 PM

Originally Posted By torrejon224:
I prefer Federal HST 230+P, it has excellent ballistics and is extremely accurate. It's LEO only but is available thru Streichers. Winchester Ranger 230 is also a good round but costs almost $10 more per box so I'll stick with the HST.


False, and you can get them at ammunitiontogo.com also.
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Posted: 8/12/2008 11:35:44 PM

Originally Posted By Retic:

Originally Posted By NAM:
230 gr. Gold Dot Hollow Point. The "flying ashtray" of the 21st century.


+ 1 (I think.)

I don't get the "flying ashtray"


Speer used to make a 200 grain load that was nicknamed the "Flying Ashcan" or "Flying Ashtray" The HP was enormous. It was popular because it expanded really well. It was also notorious for feeding issues in autos. It was designed for .45 Colt and had a cannelure.

The Gold Dot is an all around better round.
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Posted: 8/13/2008 1:12:21 AM
The Magsafe 96gr+P is the most destructive of all 45 ACP rounds. It killed the goats the fastest.
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Posted: 8/13/2008 4:25:57 AM

Originally Posted By NVGdude:

Originally Posted By Retic:

Originally Posted By NAM:
230 gr. Gold Dot Hollow Point. The "flying ashtray" of the 21st century.


+ 1 (I think.)

I don't get the "flying ashtray"


Speer used to make a 200 grain load that was nicknamed the "Flying Ashcan" or "Flying Ashtray" The HP was enormous. It was popular because it expanded really well. It was also notorious for feeding issues in autos. It was designed for .45 Colt and had a cannelure.

The Gold Dot is an all around better round.



Thanks for the info! Someone told me that the 'Flying Ashtray' was the HydraShock, which has the post in the middle, resembling a fat cigar stub.
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Posted: 8/13/2008 10:33:17 AM

Originally Posted By 918v:
The Magsafe 96gr+P is the most destructive of all 45 ACP rounds. It killed the goats the fastest.

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Posted: 8/13/2008 10:49:05 AM

Originally Posted By torrejon224:
I prefer Federal HST 230+P, it has excellent ballistics and is extremely accurate. It's LEO only but is available thru Streichers. Winchester Ranger 230 is also a good round but costs almost $10 more per box so I'll stick with the HST.


The HSTs rock. And with the "branches" that stretch out and cut there'll be a lot of surface area to bleed.
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Posted: 8/13/2008 11:20:25 AM

Originally Posted By FrankSymptoms:
Thanks for the info! Someone told me that the 'Flying Ashtray' was the HydraShock, which has the post in the middle, resembling a fat cigar stub.


Not sure where they got that from. NVDude was right...the flying ashtray was around before hydrashock.
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Posted: 8/13/2008 1:49:30 PM
What do you guys think about Black Talon?
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Posted: 8/13/2008 2:04:37 PM

Originally Posted By majnemesis:
What do you guys think about Black Talon?


Ammo that's behind on technology, no longer made, and possibly stored incorrectly.

Oh, and don't forget overhyped. I mean, it's not bad, but it would not be my first choice for carry ammo.
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Posted: 8/13/2008 2:20:32 PM
My normal carry is 200gr hornady TAP +P.. I recently purchased 2 boxes of winchester sxz ammo, and I like it so far, may switch to it.. Its affordable, and seems to shoot great, I need to shoot some jugs of water to test expansion before deciding..


Good luck finding black talons.. If you must have that ammo, the ranger SXT is as close as you can get.. The SXZ has the black coating, but not the same hollowpoint..
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Posted: 8/13/2008 2:25:34 PM

Originally Posted By majnemesis:
What do you guys think about Black Talon?

Good stuff! Last made in 1993...

I have some .45 ACP Black Talon for sale - $60 per 20rd. box [PM me]

OR


You can order some Ranger T [RA45T] which is much-improved Black Talon for $28 per 50rd. box from online suppliers linked above.
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Posted: 8/13/2008 2:42:10 PM
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Try the "Black Rino" bullets from the 90's. They were so bad ass. According to the media, they were so lethal they'd kill just looking at them.

Maybe the "Shred" bullets as depicted in "The Last Boy Scout" with Bruce Willis. Those things shred and are so bad assed, not even available to LE. I think they get issued to the Space Shuttle Door gunners and HyperSEAL program. That's the Navy SEAL/SERE/Green Beret/Delta Force/Ranger/Recon Marine operators. That program is classified above Top Secret and I've said too much....



I use Hydra Shok's off duty and my agency issues Golden Saber for duty.
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Originally Posted By rippersde50:
www.extremeshockusa.com/gfx_splash/top_2.jpg


You startled me with that. Ammo so devastating meerly seeing it in print can cause alarm.
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Posted: 8/13/2008 4:31:45 PM
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What about Hornady or Black Hills ammo? They are supposed to be very high quality right?
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Posted: 8/13/2008 10:41:46 PM

Originally Posted By MTNmyMag:

Originally Posted By rippersde50:
www.extremeshockusa.com/gfx_splash/top_2.jpg


You startled me with that. Ammo so devastating meerly seeing it in print can cause alarm.


That's the idea. You flash that picture and an attacker and he runs in terror, or dies of laughter
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Posted: 8/13/2008 10:59:43 PM

Originally Posted By rippersde50:
www.extremeshockusa.com/gfx_splash/top_2.jpg



I knew that was coming as soon as I saw the title of the thread.
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Posted: 8/13/2008 11:33:00 PM
all joking aside. I prefer the 230 Gold dot, or the 230 HST. HST demonstrates extreme expansion, very sharp "petals", and very reliable feeding in my Glock 21. However, it is a relatively new round, while its features are very promising, it is not yet been thoroughly "field tested" by dozens of after action reports. The Gold Dot has been the LE standard for some time, and is a street proven fight stopping round. An FBI acquaintance of mine (forensic accountant... nothing oober tacticool) is issued 180grn gold dots in his G22 . For the most part, you cannot go wrong with any major manufacturers' 230 grain load in .45.
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