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Posted: 8/9/2009 5:58:58 AM EDT
Years ago 220's were considered a cutting edge , bet your life .45. Duty , Edc , Ccw, home protection etc... Now it's all Glocks , HK ,& M&Ps! Where's the love?
Anyone still love and use 220's? Are old sigs better then the new ones? Show the love! |
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I love Sigs, but I do not own any. I recently went to a fun shop to give a Sig 220SAO and an HK USP a really good look with the intention of buying once I get a job. The result of my inspection was that the Sig offered no advantage over my current collection of 1911s and once the cost of magazines was considered, it would be illogical buy the Sig.
I still like the Sig P220 SAO, but due to the cost of the mags, I will probably never buy any. Same for the HK USP. While the HK USP offers a couple of significant advantages over the 1911, the cost of the mags keeps me from buying a one. |
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For me personally, while I like Sigs, if I'm going to have another .45 with 7-8 rounds of capacity, its going to be another 1911. The P220 is a fine weapon, but I don't think it offers anything for me that my 1911 can't.
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I love the 220 and cannot see spending $1,000 + for a 1911......
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I did the in-between...got a Sig 1911. Despite the fact that I bought it used, and it's one of the earlier "problematic" models, it's run every bit as reliably as my Glocks...and I'm not locked into a proprietary mag.
Finding holsters however, is another story...why Sig had to go and make the slide wider than usual, I have no idea. Saw a two-tone P220 used at VA Arms...sure was pretty. If I didn't already have the 1911 and XD45 to gobble the hi-test ammo, I might have gone for it. |
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WOW! BIG BUCKs!!
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I love my Sig 220 compact model. Its pretty darned accurate, but the magazine prices are killing me! I don't believe a folded piece of sheet metal and a spring is worth $50.
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I love my Sig 220 compact model. Its pretty darned accurate, but the magazine prices are killing me! I don't believe a folded piece of sheet metal and a spring is worth $50. Top Gun Supply has them for $34.95. http://www.topgunsupply.com/sig_p220-compact-45-6rd-magazine-stainless.html |
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I love my Sig 220 compact model. Its pretty darned accurate, but the magazine prices are killing me! I don't believe a folded piece of sheet metal and a spring is worth $50. Top Gun Supply has a good price on em (well in terms of Sig mags). $35 for factory. ETA: Damn beat by a few minutes and a link to boot |
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I think my Sig P220 Combat is my best fullsize handgun overall. The only reason it's not my carry piece is because of its size. That's why I bought a P220 compact, and have been carrying it for about a year and a half.
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http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj368/DrMark43/SIGP220v02.jpg BTW, how does one go about determining the date of manufactue? There is a sticky at the top of the page |
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For me personally, while I like Sigs, if I'm going to have another .45 with 7-8 rounds of capacity, its going to be another 1911. The P220 is a fine weapon, but I don't think it offers anything for me that my 1911 can't. How many 1911's do you own? I own 3 currently and have had numerous others in the past. The one thing that my 220 offers over the two of my 1911's previously owned is that it functioned 100% right out of the box and shot just as accurately if not better. |
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For me personally, while I like Sigs, if I'm going to have another .45 with 7-8 rounds of capacity, its going to be another 1911. The P220 is a fine weapon, but I don't think it offers anything for me that my 1911 can't. How many 1911's do you own? I own 3 currently and have had numerous others in the past. The one thing that my 220 offers over the two of my 1911's previously owned is that it functioned 100% right out of the box and shot just as accurately if not better. The 2 guns I shoot the most pistol wise are my kimber 1911 and my sig p220. Both have the lightweight frames. Right now I prefer the kimber but I think I'd rather carry a sig p220 elite. Reason I prefer the kimber is it has things like the night sights and other upgrades. The p220 is the stock model. Big thing the p220 offers over the 1911 is the double action trigger. This allows you to carry with a round in the chamber and the hammer down. No safety to worry about(although with an extended safety on a 1911 you don't have much to worry about). The double action trigger also gives you a chance to re-hit a bullet if you have a misfire. In my case the p220 seems to have less recoil but to be fair the aluminum frame on a 1911 is not the best way to judge. My colt commander has less recoil then both of them. |
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The Sig 220 is a fine pistol , but when shot side by side with the HK there is a big difference in recoil. I favor the HK line in 45 , except of course for that X-6 that is pictured. I have owned a few p220 and for recoil and round count they are dated, but have excellent accuracy and are a quality pistol . I also dont think the older Sigs are as good as the new ones, but they are excellent.
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Very nice, But what model is this ? $$? |
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I have a P220ST. While it handles the best of any of my handguns and is very accurate, it can be finicky with ammo. Won't cycle at all with aluminum case ammo..
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The Sig 220 is a fine pistol , but when shot side by side with the HK there is a big difference in recoil. I favor the HK line in 45 , except of course for that X-6 that is pictured. I have owned a few p220 and for recoil and round count they are dated, but have excellent accuracy and are a quality pistol . I also dont think the older Sigs are as good as the new ones, but they are excellent. I feel many would disagree with that |
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The Sig 220 is a fine pistol , but when shot side by side with the HK there is a big difference in recoil. I favor the HK line in 45 , except of course for that X-6 that is pictured. I have owned a few p220 and for recoil and round count they are dated, but have excellent accuracy and are a quality pistol . I also dont think the older Sigs are as good as the new ones, but they are excellent. I feel many would disagree with that Yes many would..Maybe that's a mistype. With that said..I have had many Sigs, all of them older ones, many of them marked "West Germany". Alot of Sig'o'philes think that the older ones are better that the new production ones. Maybe they are..I know this- My P220SAO Carry has been ultra reliable for nearly 1000 rounds. Not a problem. I was skeptical about it, based on reading the posts here and on the Sig forum. But I have been surprised with my "new" P220SAO Carry. It's been as good as my older Sigs. |
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I got an old school P220. I wanted a .45, but didn't want to dick around with a 1911 and its bazillion options/upgrades/models.
I like the all-metal construction and reliability of the P220. But its recoil is pretty bad, and I'm not a fan of the trigger pull. I'm thinking I'll trade it in for an M&P 45, which from a couple of reports I've read in magazines has manageable recoil, good ergonomics, higher capacity. |
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No, that was not a typing mistake. I do think the new Sigs are better than the older ones. I will take CNC stainless any day over rolled steel and have shot both side by side. This doesnt mean you have to agree. Big difference in recoil between the Sig and HK as the HK is very smooth and holds more rounds. The Sigs are great pistols but there design is dated as there are just better shooting systems available. Its getting real bad when an HK Compact shoots with alot less felt recoil than a p226 stainless. Sig has stepped up with the x-5 and x-6 models on the recoil system double spring but hasnt keep up with advances on the older designs they still produce. Yes I feel the Sigs are a great pistol and own alot of Sigs, but in 45 I will favor the way an HK shoots––-big difference.
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I've owned two over the years. They were accurate and reliable and easy to carry. I don't own them anymore.
They have a high bore axis that results in more muzzle flip which in turn slows shot to shot recovery. They come standard with a DA/SA + decocking function that I don't care for anymore. Yes, I know there are now DAO and SAO options available. The magazines are stupid expensive. The gun doesn't have a very durable finish, and for some people corrosion is likely without daily maintenance if the piece is carried. Were I without a pistol and was handed a P220, would I feel at a disadvantage if I had to defend my life? No. If I have to spend me own money to put a .45ACP pistol in a holster on my hip that I'm going to carry and practice with constantly, would it be my first choice? No. |
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Good points and very correct . I feel they are a disadvantage somewhat in recoil limiting accuracy and less rounds but not in every situation of course.
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I'm still waiting for my 2 220 Elites. I ordered them in April and I might take delivery by the end of this month. Apperently the frames are still being forged by monks in a secluded foundry/abby in the Alps.
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I have waited-(it will be two years Nov2) for a Sig220 Elite Match!.............
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Quoted: For me personally, while I like Sigs, if I'm going to have another .45 with 7-8 rounds of capacity, its going to be another 1911. The P220 is a fine weapon, but I don't think it offers anything for me that my 1911 can't. The DA/SA does....unless you have a double action 1911. I have a P-220 carry that has a better trigger pull in double action than several single action pistols I own. I carry a Springfield TRP, but the P-220 with surefire light is on the nightstand. |
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I think mainly because you can almost buy two Glocks for what one 220 costs.
Having said that.........I would rather have one 220 than two Glocks. I respect the Glock for what it is. Just never really enjoyed shooting them. Terry |
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I own several 1911s and several Sigs. Right now I'm carrying my Sig 228. Took a friend shooting today and we ran my 239T, 226, 228 and my recently traded for 220 carry. I have another 220 Combat in the safe. I'm hopefully meeting a guy here in the next day or two to do some trading for a 226 stainless as well.
If it isn't a 1911...it WILL be a Sig on my hip |
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I got two of them - one stainless steel (with a steel frame) that I got used - great gun, very accurate and reliable , and the other one is the P220 Combat - also great gun, but needed break in - and likes to jam with hornady 200 grain hollow points. Works fine with any other ammo.
I think SIG quality control has dropped over the last years. I had a SIG P228 which its slide would fail to stay open after the last round, and all cases were being ejected directly in the shooter forehead. Later I realized that SIG shipped the gun out of the factory with a wrong recoil spring - I believe it was too heavy for a 9mm. When I got my SIG P220 combat, I believe it also had a wrong recoil spring. Unlike the P228, the slide was locking back all the time, and I compared the spring to the one in the SIG P220 stainless and they were different size, different strenght. I purchased a factory SIG 220 recoil spring from midway and installed it on the SIG Combat - problem solved - so I am no gunsmith, but I believe for the 2nd time I had a gun with the wrong recoil spring. I also have a SIG P229 which never jammed and never had any problems. |
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My P220SAO Carry has been ultra reliable for nearly 1000 rounds. Not a problem. I was skeptical about it, based on reading the posts here and on the Sig forum. I appreciate your love of your pistol, but that round count hardly constitutes as a testament of it's durability. Even a moderate practice and training schedule would quickly exceed 1000 rounds many times over. Your round count is easily achieved in a single two-day training class. |
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My P220SAO Carry has been ultra reliable for nearly 1000 rounds. Not a problem. I was skeptical about it, based on reading the posts here and on the Sig forum. I appreciate your love of your pistol, but that round count hardly constitutes as a testament of it's durability. Even a moderate practice and training schedule would quickly exceed 1000 rounds many times over. Your round count is easily achieved in a single two-day training class. When I posted that, 8/14/2009 6:36:32 PM EST, I had it just a few weeks and had already put 1000 rounds through it. I try to shoot weekly, weather and family sometimes prevents that, but to date it has had a little over 7500 rounds through it. Again, no problems. Reliable as any other Sig I have had. What's with the hate for Sig? |
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I have finally decided after months of research, and fondling of HK's, S&W's, rugers, and the Sig. I am getting a 220. Now to find a great price on a two tone.
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My Browning BDA 45 has been my best friend since ~ 1980. Reliable and accurate, eats anything from 185 gr target to 230 gr FMJ. Mags are now available at a decent price.
No kidding, with practice you can double tap with this thing. The only problem I have had with it is keeping my Dad from hijacking it. |
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The only pistol I have ever sold is a 220. It was the most comfortable handgun I have ever held, but everything else about it was bad. I really wanted to like it but I ended up resenting Sig alot for shitty qc. I would not recommend buying one with cheaper alternatives out there, but if I knew it was alright (say a friend was selling a good one) I could get one again. Expensive mags, but so are many other nice handguns.
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Quoted: The only pistol I have ever sold is a 220. It was the most comfortable handgun I have ever held, but everything else about it was bad. I really wanted to like it but I ended up resenting Sig alot for shitty qc. I would not recommend buying one with cheaper alternatives out there, but if I knew it was alright (say a friend was selling a good one) I could get one again. Expensive mags, but so are many other nice handguns. What "everything else"? Could you elaborate? |
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The only pistol I have ever sold is a 220. It was the most comfortable handgun I have ever held, but everything else about it was bad. I really wanted to like it but I ended up resenting Sig alot for shitty qc. I would not recommend buying one with cheaper alternatives out there, but if I knew it was alright (say a friend was selling a good one) I could get one again. Expensive mags, but so are many other nice handguns. What "everything else"? Could you elaborate? Yes please. I am in the market for a new 220, so elaborate. |
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The only pistol I have ever sold is a 220. It was the most comfortable handgun I have ever held, but everything else about it was bad. I really wanted to like it but I ended up resenting Sig alot for shitty qc. I would not recommend buying one with cheaper alternatives out there, but if I knew it was alright (say a friend was selling a good one) I could get one again. Expensive mags, but so are many other nice handguns. What "everything else"? Could you elaborate? Yes please. I am in the market for a new 220, so elaborate. Finish stripped off very fast. Trigger was not very nice. Sites were off. It would stovepipe every now and then also. For an $800 gun it was very underwhelming. Mags are also very(read: "too") expensive. It is an $800 single stack 45 that could not compete with 1911s in my opinion and I dont see all the hype about 1911s either. Now if it cost ~$500 I would not have cared as much, but I probably would have bought a different gun anyway. I still think that it was the most comfortable handgun I have ever held - it felt like it was made for my hand - and sometimes I think about finding a good 226. |
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I want a 220 very badly but for the price, I just can't justify it. I'll come across one sooner or later for the right price and get it.
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I just have an old W. German model so maybe I am missing something. I bought extra mags, ACT, I believe from Greg Cote. Very reasonable price, very nice construction, extra round, and they have been flawless. I have read some complaints but I don't see it. They are very nicely made and haven't bobbled. Don't let factory mags stop you from getting a classic.
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