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Posted: 10/2/2016 3:08:45 PM EDT
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I'm not a light fan, but wouldn't the night sights help with picking up the proper sight picture as the light won't illuminate the sights?
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Posted: 10/2/2016 3:19:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not a light fan, but wouldn't the night sights help with picking up the proper sight picture as the light won't illuminate the sights? |
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Posted: 10/2/2016 3:23:13 PM EDT
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Nights sights help you see your sights.
A light helps you see your target. |
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Posted: 10/2/2016 4:00:41 PM EDT
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Nights sights help you see your sights. A light helps you see your target. Yes this. Although I notice that a light on my AR helps to see the sights even if it just silhouettes them since they themselves are not luminescent. I like night sights but from my experience shooting in the dark I can say that they only work for me for one shot. After that the muzzle flash blows it all out of the water. |
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Posted: 10/2/2016 4:04:43 PM EDT
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Both
night sights are great for low light where you can positively id your target but cant see your sights very well. |
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Posted: 10/2/2016 4:55:39 PM EDT
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It depends on the sights. If you can see light on either side of your front sight night sights are not necessary. For me I carry a G19 with a light and warren tactical sights, blacked out rear and fiber front. I can't see the fiber when shooting at night with the weapon light. But I have space on either side of the front sight so I can line up the sights with no issue. Tritium on the front may help you line up the sights faster but the fiber works well enough for me.
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Posted: 10/2/2016 5:37:45 PM EDT
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I have night sights and lights on three pistols. Those are my home pistols. My EDC just has night sights.
Having said that, both are good to haves, one or the other is a necessity to have. Lights break, batteries go bad, or you're not where you can grab one with a light when you need it. I know folks who say they don't need a light because they have night sights. Some say a light is bad because it gives your position away. I know some who say that night sights alone are just crazey because if it's too dark to see the standard sights you can't be sure what you're shooting at. Well, if someone is shooting at you, do you need to ID their face? Or do you just need to be able to put your night sights on their torso? Sometimes you may get enough light from another source to identify a threat, but still not enough light to line up those sights - unless you can see them. The light does make it nice, to identify stuff when you don't have any other way of seeing what's there. You can use the momentary on/off lever/setting so it goes off quick if you need it to go off as you un-ass the spot you where in when you hit the light and saw a reason to duck/dodge. |
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Posted: 10/2/2016 6:48:15 PM EDT
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Night sights allow you to engage a positively identified target from darkness. Example: you are in a dark room connected to a dimly lit hallway. If you have a safe angle of fire and know where potential good guys are, night sights allow you to fire into the hallway upon an identified threat without activating your light.
Weapon mounted lights allow you to positively identify your target. They also can provide an outline to your sights, but only while the light is activated. An example of using both might this: It's 2:30am. After hearing glass break down the hall, you use your weapon mounted light to illuminate an unknown person in your dimly-lit home, positively identifying them as an armed intruder. Good tactics dictate that after your light was activated, you move position. As long as you have a safe background to your target, you can fire from the darkness as you move positions, or begin firing immediately once you have reached a position of cover/concealment. Tritium sights give you more options for how to handle the illuminate/move/shoot situation, but they don't force you to take any specific response. I employ both night sights and a weapon mounted light on my concealed carry/ HD pistol. |
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Posted: 10/2/2016 8:53:45 PM EDT
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For HD, I'll take a weapon light over night sights any day of the week.
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Posted: 10/2/2016 9:57:29 PM EDT
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You shouldn't be shooting at anything you can't identify. Night sights don't help you ID anything or anyone.
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Posted: 10/3/2016 7:42:51 PM EDT
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I like to have both, the illuminated tritium dots are still visible in your peripheral vision when focusing on the target and aid in sight alignment.
For me night sights are a must on all carry guns regardless if a light is mounted or not, but opinions on the matter vary. Also, if you are using a WML correctly when clearing rooms, you will be spending quite a bit of time moving with the light off. |
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Posted: 10/4/2016 9:53:58 AM EDT
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You shouldn't be shooting at anything you can't identify. Night sights don't help you ID anything or anyone. That is only how fathers shoot their sons in the middle of the night when the son is sneaking back in after partying it up all night. Know the rules..... Be sure of your target and what is beyond it. You cannot do that if you cannot see it and darkness is everywhere. |
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Posted: 10/4/2016 10:40:21 AM EDT
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White light > Night sights.
Whether a hand-held or weapon mounted light, it's my opinion that a good white light is an absolute must. As others have said, you need to id the target. It's just plain irresponsible to shoot into darkness without knowing your target and what's beyond it. As for night-sights: I found them to be of no benefit whatsoever in my course. When using a light, the tritium glow was invisible. In low-light drills if it was light enough to i.d. the threat it was light enough to pick-up your front sight. And considering in most self-defensive shootings the sights aren't even used I say they're not at all necessary. But I do like the night-sights when I look over at my pistol on the night stand and see them glowing brightly. They could be of help in that regard, to locate your gun in the dark. Cheers! -JC |
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Posted: 10/4/2016 11:23:00 AM EDT
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The weapon-mounted light will make the sights perfectly visible.
In any case, none of that stuff is necessary if you take a little bit of effort and make it so you can see inside your house at night. Set up motion-activated night lights. If you are worried about a home invader cutting the power before coming in there are even battery-powered lights you can have. |
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Posted: 10/4/2016 4:02:24 PM EDT
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I use both. I wanna see my target, maybe blind my target. It will certainly allow a sight picture. If the light fails then the glowing dots are better then standard sights in the dark. But id pic a light as a first priority over glowing dots but thats just my preference.
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Posted: 10/5/2016 2:47:04 AM EDT
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I like to have both, the illuminated tritium dots are still visible in your peripheral vision when focusing on the target and aid in sight alignment. For me night sights are a must on all carry guns regardless if a light is mounted or not, but opinions on the matter vary. Also, if you are using a WML correctly when clearing rooms, you will be spending quite a bit of time moving with the light off. ^ I think this is well said. My daily ccw piece as well as my HD handgun both wear trijicon HDs and a X300U for these reasons. |
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Posted: 10/5/2016 4:34:02 AM EDT
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I prefer both. If I could absolutely only afford one, then I would choose a WML. But I'll take any advantage I can get. Ideally night sights, a WML, and a hand held are what I try to carry at all times.
80 bucks for night sights is less than I spend a month on ammo so to me that's a no brainer. I would like to be prepared for as many situations as reasonably possible. Either way, train with what you've got and save up until you can afford what you want. With enough practice you'll know what you need. I've ran a night course with a handgun with and without night sights. Definitely better with night sights. |
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Posted: 10/5/2016 11:01:01 AM EDT
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For the cost vs usefulness, get the night sights.
In almost every low light situation a white light will be more advantageous. The white light will allow you to ID threat, develop sight picture, and (depending on lumens/environment) dominate the threats vision and ability to react. Night sights are the most useful when there is enough ambient light to ID threat, but not enough to develop a sight picture. IF its truly "DARK", then you need a light anyway. Stereotypical Example: Guy approaches you in a dim parking lot at night with a crowbar wearing dark clothes. Night sights would allow you to develop a sight picture without employing a light. If you are running a handheld, this could save you some time to engagement, with a WML not much. |
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Posted: 10/8/2016 1:12:36 PM EDT
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I prefer both. If I could absolutely only afford one, then I would choose a WML. But I'll take any advantage I can get. Ideally night sights, a WML, and a hand held are what I try to carry at all times. I agree with this. OP, of your indicated options, I'd say WML too. But if I could only afford one of the 3 options, I'd vote handheld as your first option. Reason being is that even with a WML your handheld should still be your primary. It's your goto light source for target identification and searching that shouldn't be done with the muzzle of your gun, ie your WML. |
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Posted: 10/8/2016 1:41:31 PM EDT
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They are not redundant, and if you can afford to have both, get both.
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Posted: 10/8/2016 2:13:00 PM EDT
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Nights sights help you see your sights. A light helps you see your target. This, one is not a replacement for the other. |
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Posted: 10/8/2016 10:53:45 PM EDT
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This, one is not a replacement for the other. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nights sights help you see your sights. A light helps you see your target. This, one is not a replacement for the other. Every advantage is just that an advantage. |
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Posted: 10/8/2016 11:43:17 PM EDT
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No, they are both pieces of the same puzzle. Night sights allow you to aim, the flashlight allows you to identify what you are aiming at. If you are indoors you might get enough spill to illuminate your sights, but you cannot count on that, and more importantly, if you can light something up with a light, they can see you too...
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Posted: 10/10/2016 6:23:05 PM EDT
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Nights sights help you see your sights. A light helps you see your target. |
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Posted: 10/11/2016 8:40:44 AM EDT
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This has been discussed ad nauseum.
A WML lights up your target, not your sights. Get the night sights. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1722231__ARCHIVED_THREAD____Night_sights_are_pointless_.html&page=1 
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Posted: 10/11/2016 9:07:15 AM EDT
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This has been discussed ad nauseum. A WML lights up your target, not your sights. Get the night sights. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1722231__ARCHIVED_THREAD____Night_sights_are_pointless_.html&page=1 ...And the light. If you can't see what you are shooting at then you have no business pulling the trigger. |
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Posted: 10/15/2016 1:56:00 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/15/2016 8:56:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryBut, But... Night Sights are useless with a WML... Hence why I like BOTH 
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Posted: 10/15/2016 1:41:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/15/2016 2:09:54 PM EDT
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Nights sights help you see your sights. A light helps you see your target. A light is also a mechanical device....mechanical devices will fail at some point. two is one... |
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Posted: 10/15/2016 4:24:29 PM EDT
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A light is also a mechanical device....mechanical devices will fail at some point. two is one... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nights sights help you see your sights. A light helps you see your target. A light is also a mechanical device....mechanical devices will fail at some point. two is one... So he'd need a second light. Or a light switch
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Posted: 10/24/2016 4:25:23 PM EDT
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Would night sights be useful on a pistol that already has a flashlight on it? Trying to decide if I should spring for the model that has the night sights if I intend to carry it with a light mounted. It seems like the light would put off enough light to make the night sights unnecessary but I don't have much experience with pistol lights. Is this a place where spending the extra $80 for night sights is worth it in your experience? IMO yes 100%. If you've ever had your gun out at night with a light or not and needed to use you would understand that night sights are important. |
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Posted: 11/7/2016 4:18:12 PM EDT
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You shouldn't be shooting at anything you can't identify. Night sights don't help you ID anything or anyone. Exactly! Because of that reason alone, night sights and a weapon mounted light are not redundant. I also carry a flash light because not every situation in the dark justifies the un-holstering of your weapon. However, in those situations that do justify having the weapon at low ready, a weapon mounted light is a great advantage to have (in spite of those who ignorantly think that you have to point your weapon's muzzle at whatever your are wanting to illuminate; you don't, you keep the muzzle pointed 45 degree angle toward the ground and the light will illuminate a large area). |
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