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Posted: 7/15/2014 1:52:00 AM EDT
[#1]
4a is correct.
4h should be blank. 4h info: http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/form1.html http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=6&f=17&t=336943 |
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Posted: 7/15/2014 2:24:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 4a is correct. 4h should be blank. 4h info: http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/form1.html http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=6&f=17&t=336943 |
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Posted: 7/15/2014 9:39:52 AM EDT
[#3]
Post the conflicting info you've got.
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Posted: 7/15/2014 9:58:58 AM EDT
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This guy put his Trust name in 4H: Post here as well: The more and more I'm reading it seems the 4H "requirement" is a farce in regards to putting your trust name in there. |
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Posted: 7/15/2014 9:59:13 AM EDT
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4h shouldn't be blank in this case. The importer's info goes there. 3b is the only place your trust's info should be.
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Posted: 7/15/2014 3:49:02 PM EDT
[#6]
This thread says to not even include the importer on 4h: |
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Posted: 7/15/2014 4:01:59 PM EDT
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This thread says to not even include the importer on 4h: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_51/339719__ARCHIVED_THREAD____Do_you_really_have_to_engrave_your_SBR.html&page=2 I don't see that anywhere in that thread, maybe I'm blind. |
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Posted: 7/15/2014 11:28:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't see that anywhere in that thread, maybe I'm blind. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This thread says to not even include the importer on 4h: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_51/339719__ARCHIVED_THREAD____Do_you_really_have_to_engrave_your_SBR.html&page=2 I don't see that anywhere in that thread, maybe I'm blind. as some have stated in this thread they used the ORIGINAL manufacters marking for form 1 box 4a. and left box 4h blank = form approved |
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Posted: 7/16/2014 4:04:01 PM EDT
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Don't want to mess this up, so I figured this would be a good place for double checking. I have a M92 PAP that I want to SBR. I'm filling out a form 1, and this is what I have for section 4. 4a - Zastava Arms, Serbia 4b - Short Barrel Rifle 4c - 7.62x39mm 4d - PAP M92PV 4e - 10" 4f - 28.9" 4g - pistol's SN 4h - CAI, Georgia, VT / My TRUST NAME, City, State 4i - Any Lawful purpose. I was mainly concerned with 4A, and 4H. Do not put 7.62x39 my M92 pap form 1 got disapproved today because of that, Dana Pickles emailed me and said just put 7.62 |
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Posted: 7/16/2014 6:06:03 PM EDT
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Do not put 7.62x39 my M92 pap form 1 got disapproved today because of that, Dana Pickles emailed me and said just put 7.62 So there is no distinction between 7.62x25, 7.62x39, 7.62x51, and 7.62x54r? I've never heard that before. |
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Posted: 7/16/2014 6:50:01 PM EDT
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Do not put 7.62x39 my M92 pap form 1 got disapproved today because of that, Dana Pickles emailed me and said just put 7.62 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't want to mess this up, so I figured this would be a good place for double checking. I have a M92 PAP that I want to SBR. I'm filling out a form 1, and this is what I have for section 4. 4a - Zastava Arms, Serbia 4b - Short Barrel Rifle 4c - 7.62x39mm 4d - PAP M92PV 4e - 10" 4f - 28.9" 4g - pistol's SN 4h - CAI, Georgia, VT / My TRUST NAME, City, State 4i - Any Lawful purpose. I was mainly concerned with 4A, and 4H. Do not put 7.62x39 my M92 pap form 1 got disapproved today because of that, Dana Pickles emailed me and said just put 7.62 Well that makes no sense, but it is the ATF. How long did you have to wait between sending your paperwork and finding out it was disapproved because you were actually, you know, specific on the caliber? |
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Posted: 7/16/2014 7:10:00 PM EDT
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Well that makes no sense, but it is the ATF. How long did you have to wait between sending your paperwork and finding out it was disapproved because you were actually, you know, specific on the caliber? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't want to mess this up, so I figured this would be a good place for double checking. I have a M92 PAP that I want to SBR. I'm filling out a form 1, and this is what I have for section 4. 4a - Zastava Arms, Serbia 4b - Short Barrel Rifle 4c - 7.62x39mm 4d - PAP M92PV 4e - 10" 4f - 28.9" 4g - pistol's SN 4h - CAI, Georgia, VT / My TRUST NAME, City, State 4i - Any Lawful purpose. I was mainly concerned with 4A, and 4H. Do not put 7.62x39 my M92 pap form 1 got disapproved today because of that, Dana Pickles emailed me and said just put 7.62 Well that makes no sense, but it is the ATF. How long did you have to wait between sending your paperwork and finding out it was disapproved because you were actually, you know, specific on the caliber? I had sent a ask the experts email on a form 1 I submitted 3 weeks ago, what I had written and the PDF form were different for the manufacture. Guess they looked at my form and disapproved it, it was only 3 weeks so I'm not real upset about it... to the back I go 
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Posted: 7/17/2014 12:41:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do not put 7.62x39 my M92 pap form 1 got disapproved today because of that, Dana Pickles emailed me and said just put 7.62 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Don't want to mess this up, so I figured this would be a good place for double checking. I have a M92 PAP that I want to SBR. I'm filling out a form 1, and this is what I have for section 4. 4a - Zastava Arms, Serbia 4b - Short Barrel Rifle 4c - 7.62x39mm 4d - PAP M92PV 4e - 10" 4f - 28.9" 4g - pistol's SN 4h - CAI, Georgia, VT / My TRUST NAME, City, State 4i - Any Lawful purpose. I was mainly concerned with 4A, and 4H. Do not put 7.62x39 my M92 pap form 1 got disapproved today because of that, Dana Pickles emailed me and said just put 7.62 |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 1:06:27 AM EDT
[#14]
I did a shit ton of google searching on this issue and pretty much found that BOTH ways have worked for people in the past. I found more people that successfully did it this way though:
3b. trust name/address 4a: Zastava, Serbia 4h: C.A.I., Georgia, VT |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 2:15:08 AM EDT
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I did a shit ton of google searching on this issue and pretty much found that BOTH ways have worked for people in the past. I found more people that successfully did it this way though: 3b. trust name/address 4a: Zastava, Serbia 4h: C.A.I., Georgia, VT In the email I got from Dana Pickles he said my form was all good except the caliber, I had 4a Zastava (only, no Serbia) 4h i left blank |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 9:45:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In the email I got from Dana Pickles he said my form was all good except the caliber, I had 4a Zastava (only, no Serbia) 4h i left blank Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I did a shit ton of google searching on this issue and pretty much found that BOTH ways have worked for people in the past. I found more people that successfully did it this way though: 3b. trust name/address 4a: Zastava, Serbia 4h: C.A.I., Georgia, VT In the email I got from Dana Pickles he said my form was all good except the caliber, I had 4a Zastava (only, no Serbia) 4h i left blank Thanks. I was going to ask you what you put in 4H. I'm going to leave my 4H blank and leave caliber at just 7.62, and see how it goes. |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 10:07:08 AM EDT
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So this should be correct?
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Don't want to mess this up, so I figured this would be a good place for double checking. I have a M92 PAP that I want to SBR. I'm filling out a form 1, and this is what I have for section 4. 4a - Zastava 4b - Short Barrel Rifle 4c - 7.62 4d - PAP M92PV 4e - 10" 4f - 28.9" 4g - pistol's SN 4h - 4i - Any Lawful purpose. I was mainly concerned with 4A, and 4H. |
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Posted: 8/31/2014 12:26:02 PM EDT
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Any updates on this OP??
Want to do the same to my M92.. 
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Posted: 8/31/2014 2:24:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Any updates on this OP?? Want to do the same to my M92.. |
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Posted: 8/31/2014 7:37:16 PM EDT
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I filed it leaving caliber as 7.62 and leaving 4H blank. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Any updates on this OP?? Want to do the same to my M92.. Did it get accepted OK with just the 7.62 on it thus far (been long enough to be accepted I would think)?? For the overall is that with a folding mechanism as folded, or is that the overall with a collapsible opened up (or a folder open)?? |
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Posted: 8/31/2014 8:29:01 PM EDT
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For the overall is that with a folding mechanism as folded, or is that the overall with a collapsible opened up (or a folder open)?? Under Federal law OAL is measured with the stock fully extended. There is at least one state that measures OAL with the stock folded/collapsed, but in the case of filling out a Form 1 that doesn't really matter. |
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Posted: 8/31/2014 9:54:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did it get accepted OK with just the 7.62 on it thus far (been long enough to be accepted I would think)?? For the overall is that with a folding mechanism as folded, or is that the overall with a collapsible opened up (or a folder open)?? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Any updates on this OP?? Want to do the same to my M92.. Did it get accepted OK with just the 7.62 on it thus far (been long enough to be accepted I would think)?? For the overall is that with a folding mechanism as folded, or is that the overall with a collapsible opened up (or a folder open)?? |
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Posted: 9/1/2014 2:14:33 AM EDT
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Did you efile it?
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Posted: 9/1/2014 10:00:36 PM EDT
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Do not put 7.62x39 my M92 pap form 1 got disapproved today because of that, Dana Pickles emailed me and said just put 7.62 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't want to mess this up, so I figured this would be a good place for double checking. I have a M92 PAP that I want to SBR. I'm filling out a form 1, and this is what I have for section 4. 4a - Zastava Arms, Serbia 4b - Short Barrel Rifle 4c - 7.62x39mm 4d - PAP M92PV 4e - 10" 4f - 28.9" 4g - pistol's SN 4h - CAI, Georgia, VT / My TRUST NAME, City, State 4i - Any Lawful purpose. I was mainly concerned with 4A, and 4H. Do not put 7.62x39 my M92 pap form 1 got disapproved today because of that, Dana Pickles emailed me and said just put 7.62 Yep, same exact thing happened to me. I got my email, all excited over the 30-somehing day turn around, but it was disapproved. My re-submission was back in twenty something days, refund a few days after that. |
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Posted: 9/1/2014 11:25:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you efile it? |
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Posted: 9/2/2014 2:14:05 AM EDT
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Do not put 7.62x39 my M92 pap form 1 got disapproved today because of that, Dana Pickles emailed me and said just put 7.62 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't want to mess this up, so I figured this would be a good place for double checking. I have a M92 PAP that I want to SBR. I'm filling out a form 1, and this is what I have for section 4. 4a - Zastava Arms, Serbia 4b - Short Barrel Rifle 4c - 7.62x39mm 4d - PAP M92PV 4e - 10" 4f - 28.9" 4g - pistol's SN 4h - CAI, Georgia, VT / My TRUST NAME, City, State 4i - Any Lawful purpose. I was mainly concerned with 4A, and 4H. Do not put 7.62x39 my M92 pap form 1 got disapproved today because of that, Dana Pickles emailed me and said just put 7.62 That is awesome stuff right there!
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Posted: 9/15/2014 6:05:21 PM EDT
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To update, my form 1 was approved with changes made. Left 4H blank, and for caliber 7.62 was used (no X39mm) |
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Posted: 9/15/2014 10:14:50 PM EDT
[#28]
Nice.. so like 15 days??
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Posted: 9/16/2014 12:12:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice.. so like 15 days?? |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 8:01:42 PM EDT
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Filed 7/24, approved 9/5, received 9/15, so less than 2 months! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nice.. so like 15 days?? Paper forms are getting turned around faster, too. Filed one last November, approved first of August. Filed one in April, approved end of August. |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 11:10:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Paper forms are getting turned around faster, too. Filed one last November, approved first of August. Filed one in April, approvMined end of August. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Nice.. so like 15 days?? Paper forms are getting turned around faster, too. Filed one last November, approved first of August. Filed one in April, approvMined end of August. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 4:45:00 PM EDT
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Mine was paper filed :) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nice.. so like 15 days?? Paper forms are getting turned around faster, too. Filed one last November, approved first of August. Filed one in April, approvMined end of August. Nice! |
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Posted: 9/20/2014 12:30:43 PM EDT
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Mailed my paper form 1 at the end of May (May 26ish) and was approved September 6. I put 7.62x39mm in block 4c. I guess your results depend on your examiner.
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Posted: 9/20/2014 3:53:07 PM EDT
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I did a shit ton of google searching on this issue and pretty much found that BOTH ways have worked for people in the past. I found more people that successfully did it this way though: 3b. trust name/address 4a: Zastava, Serbia 4h: C.A.I., Georgia, VT update: my form 1, filled out as above, was approved on 9/12...so apparently they are "ok" with the importer info being in 4h too (or maybe just my examiner is ok with it!)... I also used 7.62x39mm. Paper form, worked fine. |
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