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Posted: 12/11/2011 2:08:32 AM
Originally Posted By 7n6: No Sinless, the rail won't work with modern 100 series or 74 type sidefolders. Depends on the stock - it will fit the rifle itself. So what you mean is that the rail works great, but the original stock doesn't work.  Fair enough on costs to manufacturer a QD upper rail. Let me make my point simple. If I have say a right hand folding style stock, then chances are I have a rail mount on the left side of the receiver- which would not interfere with the stock even with optics mounted. The market for this type of handguard is if you have a left hand sidefolding stock, which is the majority of production today for modern Kalashnikov rifles. Doesn't matter. Again, this system isn't designed for the average third-world soldier using a stock AK. It is designed for specialized troops who are using the AK as a base on which a modern weapon system is built. It is built to fit their need exactly. They are not using russian issue stocks. They could care less about the current majority production of AK rifles. As a byproduct, we are able to offer this system to guys like you, who can install it on your AK and reconfigure your stock to work with it if you happen to have one that does not. All of our AK stocks work with the VFR, whether they fold left or right. It is part of a complete high-end weapon system.
In the AK world, no product fits every AK variant. This is a simple fact of life. |
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Posted: 12/11/2011 11:49:58 AM
Originally Posted By MakoDefense:
Originally Posted By 7n6:
No Sinless, the rail won't work with modern 100 series or 74 type sidefolders. Depends on the stock - it will fit the rifle itself. So what you mean is that the rail works great, but the original stock doesn't work.
Fair enough on costs to manufacturer a QD upper rail. Let me make my point simple. If I have say a right hand folding style stock, then chances are I have a rail mount on the left side of the receiver- which would not interfere with the stock even with optics mounted. The market for this type of handguard is if you have a left hand sidefolding stock, which is the majority of production today for modern Kalashnikov rifles. Doesn't matter. Again, this system isn't designed for the average third-world soldier using a stock AK. It is designed for specialized troops who are using the AK as a base on which a modern weapon system is built. It is built to fit their need exactly. They are not using russian issue stocks. They could care less about the current majority production of AK rifles. As a byproduct, we are able to offer this system to guys like you, who can install it on your AK and reconfigure your stock to work with it if you happen to have one that does not. All of our AK stocks work with the VFR, whether they fold left or right. It is part of a complete high-end weapon system. In the AK world, no product fits every AK variant. This is a simple fact of life. Except the AKM, fixed stock 74's, AMD sidefolders, Polish 74's, EG sidefolders, and just about every major rifle that this rail could be used on- is no longer in production. All current production factory produced Kalashnikovs are along the lines of the 100 series or 74M type. That is my point. |
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MakoDefense
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Posted: 12/11/2011 12:07:37 PM
[Last Edit: 12/11/2011 12:08:46 PM by MakoDefense]
Then build your own rail system. I told you the purpose for this one.
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Posted: 12/11/2011 12:21:34 PM
Originally Posted By MakoDefense:
Then build your own rail system. I told you the purpose for this one. OK. Been giving out my ideas for a while- maybe this is exactly what I should do.  |
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Posted: 12/11/2011 12:37:37 PM
[Last Edit: 12/11/2011 12:40:36 PM by MakoDefense]
Originally Posted By 7n6: All current production factory produced Kalashnikovs are along the lines of the 100 series or 74M type. That is my point. Another point - how are you going to mount an optic on those and have a working factory side folder? Side rail mount? I don't think so. The factory folding stocks on those need to be re-thought if they want to have a side-folder that functions with a rifle that has optics mounted. A guy who works with the AK industry in Russia was telling me about how the Russian soldiers were cobbling stuff together to try to make something work - we are talking with him about coming up with some solutions. ETA: Also, the factory stocks don't give a cheekweld with an optic, so you need to do something with the stock anyway if you are running optics. |
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sinlessorrow
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Posted: 12/11/2011 11:04:02 PM
do yall offer a arfcom discount?
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Posted: 12/12/2011 2:27:24 AM
[Last Edit: 12/12/2011 2:32:39 AM by 7n6]
Originally Posted By MakoDefense:
Originally Posted By 7n6: All current production factory produced Kalashnikovs are along the lines of the 100 series or 74M type. That is my point.
Another point - how are you going to mount an optic on those and have a working factory side folder? Side rail mount? I don't think so. The factory folding stocks on those need to be re-thought if they want to have a side-folder that functions with a rifle that has optics mounted. A guy who works with the AK industry in Russia was telling me about how the Russian soldiers were cobbling stuff together to try to make something work - we are talking with him about coming up with some solutions. ETA: Also, the factory stocks don't give a cheekweld with an optic, so you need to do something with the stock anyway if you are running optics. Your plan is to tell the Russians to re-design their AK's to work- with your rails. 
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Posted: 12/12/2011 2:34:19 AM
[Last Edit: 12/12/2011 2:35:32 AM by MakoDefense]
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow: do yall offer a arfcom discount? Yes, we do. See the thread here: Click Here
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Posted: 12/12/2011 2:59:59 AM
Originally Posted By 7n6: Your plan is to tell the Russians to re-design their AK's to work- with your rails. Not at all. Our plan is to help this guy with a solution for their configuration with side mount optics. Our rail system doesn't even come into play. I'm pretty amazed by your lightning editing skills - every time you post, you change the post to something totally different before I can respond! |
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Posted: 12/12/2011 11:29:41 AM
Question,
I have a few underfolders would this work? keep in mind I really ever fold them although maybe if thier was a relief cut where the underfolder folds that would be a upgrade on the next gen rail system you may not be able to do side folder but maybe acomodate the underfolder crowd? Anyway I think its a great product and when I save up for one I will get one! |
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sinlessorrow
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Posted: 12/12/2011 1:07:43 PM
Originally Posted By MakoDefense:
Originally Posted By 7n6:
Your plan is to tell the Russians to re-design their AK's to work- with your rails.
Not at all. Our plan is to help this guy with a solution for their configuration with side mount optics. Our rail system doesn't even come into play. I'm pretty amazed by your lightning editing skills - every time you post, you change the post to something totally different before I can respond! one thing i have noticed is that it seems the design of the AK folding stocks, is that it seems when they designed them they had no intention of having any type of optics on their rifles, since even russuan optic mounts interfere with the stocks |
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Swoosh101
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Posted: 12/12/2011 1:43:28 PM
How much does it weigh? I didn't want to read 2 pages of someone arguing with you mako
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Posted: 12/12/2011 1:45:06 PM
[Last Edit: 12/12/2011 1:55:53 PM by MakoDefense]
Originally Posted By Swoosh101: How much does it weigh? I didn't want to read 2 pages of someone arguing with you mako Weight is 18.875 oz. Other details are on the first page as well, for others who don't want to read through all the comments. |
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Posted: 12/12/2011 1:52:48 PM
Originally Posted By AIRCREW1: Some guys leave their stock folded almost all the way, which can work, but not ideal. A better solution is a slot cut in the bottom rail as you said. This may be a possibility for us if there is enough demand, I don't know. It would have to be a variation, because we don't want to do this to the ones that will be used on non-underfolding rifles. At any rate, it is an easy mod to make, and can be done even with a dremmel or grinder.Question, I have a few underfolders would this work? keep in mind I really ever fold them although maybe if thier was a relief cut where the underfolder folds that would be a upgrade on the next gen rail system you may not be able to do side folder but maybe acomodate the underfolder crowd? Anyway I think its a great product and when I save up for one I will get one! |
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Posted: 12/13/2011 10:25:29 AM
Actually yes they did intend to put optics on underfolders it was an after thought. I mean when they released the underfolder they quickly realized they had a problem but was quickly fixed with a shorter side mount rail. They also milled the left side of they underfolder so it would clearly fold with no problems. Every now and again some of these underfolders make it to the US thru Poland which was the other country to make these. This version was called the AKMSU and had a special flash hider that came with them and a guy name Brick at they other boards sells these exact replica flash hiders. So since the side rails are hard to get as with the correct underfolding stock these are not a bad option to use I figure mill out a little from the bottom and the folder locks in place!
I also think even if you just make a new gen rail h-guard just ad the notch in them I figure fixed stock guns can still use them its good to have options and also these would look killer on a folder! |
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Posted: 12/31/2011 3:08:40 PM
[Last Edit: 12/31/2011 3:37:53 PM by Liquidmetal]
I very recently picked up a VFR-AK. This is the single most expensive accessory (not counting optics) I have ever purchased for an AK, so expectations were pretty high to say the least. I managed to get it for $317, best price I have seen.
The VFR-AK has met all my lofty expectations and justified it's high price tag in my eyes. Quality and design are exceptional. Install was a breeze and the rail is incredibly solid on the rifle. The rail does not clamp to the barrel, a design feature that I really like. I feel like I could chuck my rifle off a cliff and the rail would not budge, it is that solid. The VFR-AK is expensive, but it's very well thought out and will mount every accessory imaginable in one shot. Money very well spent IMO. Obligatory pics:    
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Posted: 12/31/2011 4:02:04 PM
I have to say that looks Killer! I most likely will be getting one for my Underfolder I have access to machinery so no sweat!
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Posted: 1/19/2012 4:38:24 PM
just FYI this fits the Romanian SAR1 (century arms) perfect. I will be posting a video review once I get the rest of the goodies mounted!
Also the customer service at Mako is first class! |
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Posted: 1/27/2012 2:10:50 PM
Do you think this rail would fit an AMD 65, Also does any of these rails have quick releases as mentioned on the first page?
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Posted: 1/28/2012 2:38:30 PM
Don't know how well it will work for the AMD 65, I have not tried. I have been told by someone that he installed it on one, but it is second-hand info and I don't know how much work was done to the rifle to make it work.
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Posted: 2/13/2012 1:38:22 AM
[Last Edit: 2/13/2012 1:45:15 AM by 7n6]
Originally Posted By AIRCREW1:
Question, I have a few underfolders would this work? keep in mind I really ever fold them although maybe if thier was a relief cut where the underfolder folds that would be a upgrade on the next gen rail system you may not be able to do side folder but maybe acomodate the underfolder crowd? Anyway I think its a great product and when I save up for one I will get one! No, this does not work with underfolders or 74 type left hand sidefolders. It only works with fixed stock AKM's/74's or right hand sidefolding models. They could simply modify the lower to accept the underfolder similar to a Samson rail and modify the left side for the hook for a 74 sidefolder. This would then be compatible with nearly 100% of stamped AK type weapons. |
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Posted: 3/16/2012 10:14:48 PM
[Last Edit: 3/17/2012 9:59:13 AM by MOS11C]
Originally Posted By MakoDefense:
Doesn't matter. Again, this system isn't designed for the average third-world soldier using a stock AK. It is designed for specialized troops who are using the AK as a base on which a modern weapon system is built. It is built to fit their need exactly. They are not using russian issue stocks. They could care less about the current majority production of AK rifles. Originally Posted By MakoDefense:
Don't know how well it will work for the AMD 65, I have not tried. I have been told by someone that he installed it on one, but it is second-hand info and I don't know how much work was done to the rifle to make it work. You are correct, some of us specialized troops could care less about traditional BS or what the majority of the ak world looks like.....westill would like to know if it fits the AMD. 
My AMD is screaming for a face-lift. |
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Posted: 3/18/2012 9:03:03 AM
Will this work on my tantal?
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Posted: 3/18/2012 12:24:40 PM
Originally Posted By branch_davidian: Will this work on my tantal? Yes, it will work on a Tantal. |
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Posted: 4/4/2012 11:13:22 PM
Work on the Yugo M70?
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