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Posted: 6/11/2012 12:09:32 AM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT I really like this rifle. The Radom factory in Poland is renowned for producing some of the highest quality military firearms the world has ever known. This rifle is no exception. Rifle comes complete with all U.S. parts required to make it compliant including a Tapco G-2 No Slap Trigger group, 45 degree comp and U.S. made Molot style tactical grip. This rifle has very high quality laminated wood furniture and a high polished blued metal finish. Accepts all high capacity AK mags and drums... Rifle carries a full manufacturers warranty These only came into the country in a very limited quantity so if you are looking for a really nice AK that is a little different give this one a try. Beautiful Polish AK-47 Rifle manufactured by Pioneer Arms at the Famous Polish Radom factory Did these come in as sporters that were reconfigured like Arsenal rifles? Is it really a Polish receiver and barrel? |
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Posted: 6/11/2012 12:33:30 AM
Judging by the photo, the buttstock appears to be Romanian as well as the lower handguard (which looks to be a Romanian wooden vertical grip from an AIMS rifle with the grip portion cut off and the area sanded smooth).
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Posted: 6/11/2012 2:52:32 AM
[Last Edit: 6/11/2012 3:04:32 AM by sdrake100]
This rifle was not made in Poland. They may have used some of those receiver shells that came in a while ago. How can it be manufactured by Pioneer Arms in Poland?
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Posted: 6/11/2012 10:21:24 AM
Was it made at Radom or not is the question...if so I would bite at that price!!!!!
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Posted: 6/11/2012 10:34:49 AM
Centerfiresystems has milled AKs for 599 right now.
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Posted: 6/11/2012 2:52:50 PM
Originally Posted By BrowardMason:
Centerfiresystems has milled AKs for 599 right now. Who cares? I'm not interested in a milled AK and I certainly don't want the one at Centerfire with a US barrel. |
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Posted: 6/11/2012 3:09:15 PM
Originally Posted By BrowardMason:
Centerfiresystems has milled AKs for 599 right now. ![]() |
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Posted: 6/11/2012 8:55:16 PM
Originally Posted By sdrake100:
This rifle was not made in Poland. They may have used some of those receiver shells that came in a while ago. How can it be manufactured by Pioneer Arms in Poland? If true, I guess the same way they are bringing in Russian and Bulgarian AKs at Arsenal. Of course the big question is IF that is actually the case. |
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Posted: 6/11/2012 9:28:06 PM
Originally Posted By 6EQUJ5:
Originally Posted By BrowardMason:
Centerfiresystems has milled AKs for 599 right now. Who cares? I'm not interested in a milled AK and I certainly don't want the one at Centerfire with a US barrel. You expressed interest in a Polish AK, BM just let you know that CFS has a great deal (considering they dried up 5 months ago and have been going for +100 higher than that) on a Polish 1960, no need to get snippy to those trying to help
Originally Posted By sdrake100:
This rifle was not made in Poland. They may have used some of those receiver shells that came in a while ago. How can it be manufactured by Pioneer Arms in Poland? Because that's the name the Radom factory has been putting on some of their guns, such as the PPSH 43s. |
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Posted: 6/11/2012 10:22:54 PM
Originally Posted By 35mm_Shooter:
Originally Posted By 6EQUJ5:
Originally Posted By BrowardMason:
Centerfiresystems has milled AKs for 599 right now. Who cares? I'm not interested in a milled AK and I certainly don't want the one at Centerfire with a US barrel. You expressed interest in a Polish AK, BM just let you know that CFS has a great deal (considering they dried up 5 months ago and have been going for +100 higher than that) on a Polish 1960, no need to get snippy to those trying to help
Originally Posted By sdrake100:
This rifle was not made in Poland. They may have used some of those receiver shells that came in a while ago. How can it be manufactured by Pioneer Arms in Poland? Because that's the name the Radom factory has been putting on some of their guns, such as the PPSH 43s.Are you serious about the Pioneer Arms? |
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Posted: 6/11/2012 10:25:27 PM
Originally Posted By sdrake100:
Originally Posted By 35mm_Shooter:
Originally Posted By 6EQUJ5:
Originally Posted By BrowardMason:
Centerfiresystems has milled AKs for 599 right now. Who cares? I'm not interested in a milled AK and I certainly don't want the one at Centerfire with a US barrel. You expressed interest in a Polish AK, BM just let you know that CFS has a great deal (considering they dried up 5 months ago and have been going for +100 higher than that) on a Polish 1960, no need to get snippy to those trying to help
Originally Posted By sdrake100:
This rifle was not made in Poland. They may have used some of those receiver shells that came in a while ago. How can it be manufactured by Pioneer Arms in Poland? Because that's the name the Radom factory has been putting on some of their guns, such as the PPSH 43s.Are you serious about the Pioneer Arms? What exactly is there to kid about here? |
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Posted: 6/11/2012 11:37:14 PM
Originally Posted By 35mm_Shooter:
You expressed interest in a Polish AK, BM just let you know that CFS has a great deal (considering they dried up 5 months ago and have been going for +100 higher than that) on a Polish 1960, no need to get snippy to those trying to help
I expressed interest in a specific Polish AK that was stamped not milled, and I expressed a specific interest in a original factory barrel. It's like somebody asking about a Colt 6920 and then getting a response about a DPMS .308 rifle on sale someplace. It's kinda annoying. It's hard enough to get reliable information on a specific firearm without somebody coming along and making everything convoluted. I'm just trying to get factual information on this rifle, which is being advertised as a Polish import. I need to know if it is really true and it's a Polish receiver and barrel brought into compliance with US parts. I have zero interest in CAI rifles sold by Centerfire. Sorry if that sounds snippy, but things easily get off topic. |
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Posted: 6/12/2012 1:19:27 AM
Originally Posted By 35mm_Shooter:
Originally Posted By sdrake100:
Originally Posted By 35mm_Shooter:
Originally Posted By 6EQUJ5:
Originally Posted By BrowardMason:
Centerfiresystems has milled AKs for 599 right now. Who cares? I'm not interested in a milled AK and I certainly don't want the one at Centerfire with a US barrel. You expressed interest in a Polish AK, BM just let you know that CFS has a great deal (considering they dried up 5 months ago and have been going for +100 higher than that) on a Polish 1960, no need to get snippy to those trying to help
Originally Posted By sdrake100:
This rifle was not made in Poland. They may have used some of those receiver shells that came in a while ago. How can it be manufactured by Pioneer Arms in Poland? Because that's the name the Radom factory has been putting on some of their guns, such as the PPSH 43s.Are you serious about the Pioneer Arms? What exactly is there to kid about here? You make no sense. Either that or you didn't understand my initial post. |
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Posted: 6/12/2012 1:36:19 AM
What is so incredulous about it being made in Poland at the Radom plant? No different than the Saiga, M+M, Cugir, FEG, or every other imported AK that gets converted here.
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Posted: 6/12/2012 7:41:04 AM
[Last Edit: 6/12/2012 7:52:43 AM by sdrake100]
Originally Posted By 35mm_Shooter:
What is so incredulous about it being made in Poland at the Radom plant? No different than the Saiga, M+M, Cugir, FEG, or every other imported AK that gets converted here. Other than they aren't made anymore? And that Classic states they are made by Pioneer Arms AT Radom? Come on. I just picked up one of my Polish receiver blanks and compared it to the photos. The magwell dimples look different, as does the circular indent near the safety. These look like US made receivers to me. |
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Posted: 6/12/2012 11:19:14 AM
[Last Edit: 6/12/2012 11:48:27 AM by 35mm_Shooter]
Originally Posted By sdrake100:
Originally Posted By 35mm_Shooter:
What is so incredulous about it being made in Poland at the Radom plant? No different than the Saiga, M+M, Cugir, FEG, or every other imported AK that gets converted here. Other than they aren't made anymore? And that Classic states they are made by Pioneer Arms AT Radom? Come on. I just picked up one of my Polish receiver blanks and compared it to the photos. The magwell dimples look different, as does the circular indent near the safety. These look like US made receivers to me. What are you not getting? The PPS 43 was not made for decades either until "Pioneer Arms" started making them again in RADOM a few years ago. I have no idea what the pedigree of this AK is but it's far from unrealistic for a former USSR or Warsaw Pact arsenal to see a commercial opportunity, tool up and start building commercial versions of the guns they produced years ago. Look at what FEG did with the AMD 65, Radom the PPS 43, etc.. etc...
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Posted: 6/12/2012 6:58:28 PM
Originally Posted By 35mm_Shooter:
What are you not getting? The PPS 43 was not made for decades either until "Pioneer Arms" started making them again in RADOM a few years ago. I have no idea what the pedigree of this AK is but it's far from unrealistic for a former USSR or Warsaw Pact arsenal to see a commercial opportunity, tool up and start building commercial versions of the guns they produced years ago. Look at what FEG did with the AMD 65, Radom the PPS 43, etc.. etc... https://s3.amazonaws.com/NGT_User_Images/user_images/1774899.jpg And that is exactly why I'm interested. IF Pioneer really is importing a sporter version with an original barrel and doing the 922r dance to make them compliant I want one. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 12:08:34 AM
[Last Edit: 6/13/2012 12:15:01 AM by ar15guy]
IMO the rifle looks like a very nice build. I like the fact it has a chrome lined barrel (although it doesn't specify if it's US made or original Polish). Nonetheless, if I was looking for a quality build, I'd buy it. I've got several Polish underfolders, Tantal's and a milled 1960 version...you won't be disappointed in the quality of a polish firearm.
On another note, I have one of those PPS-43 builds as pictured. It is a great firearm and the fit/finish is excellent. If it didn't require a tax stamp, I'd love to convert it to a functional folding stock. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 9:45:30 AM
I called and spoke to them yesterday. The woman assured me it was a Radom receiver (with the markings to prove it) and original Radom factory barrel.
All of this information sucks. I will now have $600 less in my bank account |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 10:19:08 AM
I called Classic and the lady told me it was made in the USA by I.O.
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Posted: 6/13/2012 12:37:31 PM
The question I emailed today:
Are the Radom AKs newly manufactured with polish chrome lined barrels and all new parts? Are they standard AKM pattern guns that use AK mags and other parts and accessories? Do they have a side scope rail? What is shipping and handling to XXXXX? I need a Draco too, will they return? The answers I got: "Yes, they have chrome lined barrels and accept AK mags & other parts. You can get a shipping quote through our website (new feature). Century claims more Dracos are coming, but we have been on backorder with them for almost a year!" |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 1:16:38 PM
Originally Posted By 40232:
I called Classic and the lady told me it was made in the USA by I.O. Why can't we get a stright answer ![]() |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 1:37:58 PM
Why can't we get a stright answer
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Wish I knew. If the seller were to say: They are new polish manufacture including the barrel. The receiver is ____________. They have have x, y, z, installed for compliance. They have a warranty for ___________ time. They have a scope mount. I'm on it TODAY Might be flexible on the mount. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 3:26:18 PM
[Last Edit: 6/13/2012 7:55:42 PM by ATLANTIC-FIREARMS]
We are a IO inc distributor and have known about these Polish imports for quite some time we should be able to post more info and hopefully answer your questions later today.
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Posted: 6/13/2012 5:39:57 PM
Originally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS:
We are a IO inc distributor and have known about these Polish imports for quite some time we should be able to post more info and hopefully anser your questions later today. Thank you very much. Looking forward to some straight answers. |
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Posted: 6/14/2012 6:18:02 AM
Just to clarify some things:
Radom is not weapons manufacturer. It is a town, 60miles south from Warsaw. Polish AKs were made in "Łucznik" (Archer - known from "11" code) factory in Radom. Also so called "Radom Pistol" - wz.35 VIS (mod 1935 VIS) were made here. In middle '90s "Łucznik" gone bankrupt. It's assets were sold. On small part of orginal factory new company was established called Fabryka Broni "Łucznik" - Radom sp. z o.o. (Weapons Factory "Archer" - Radom Ltd. This company is considered to be continuation of original "Łucznik" and this company makes wz.96 Beryl assault rifle. But they do not make AKM or AKMS. Stock of parts for milled AK, kbkg wz.60, AKM and AKMS were bought by different private owned companies (Works 11 among them; they own rights to "11" logo and to MAG pistol developed in "Łucznik") that still assemble AK, AKM and AKMS from them. Pioneer Arms Radom is young (10 years) company with US capital, that started to make double barreled shotguns in Radom (after "Łucznik" bankrupted, there was no shortage of place and workforce here for weapons factory). I was told that they shotguns are very good for Cowboy shooting, but they do not "manufacture" AKs - they may put them together from leftover old parts, like other companies are doing here. PPS they make is probably also assembled from leftover parts or refurbished military reserve that was surplused. |
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