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Posted: 5/20/2023 4:54:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Recoil spring wore out? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By AZ5326X2: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/499876/20230519_123204_jpg-2822029.JPG Buffer after ONE range session. The gas port has to be stupid-huge. Recoil spring wore out? Not even close. It also had a new Wolff extra power AK spring in it. Installed the KNS piston today, and I should have a chance to get it out on Tuesday. Me and a couple of old Teammates are heading out to burn some powder. I'll report back. |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 8:39:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZ5326X2: Not even close. It also had a new Wolff extra power AK spring in it. Installed the KNS piston today, and I should have a chance to get it out on Tuesday. Me and a couple of old Teammates are heading out to burn some powder. I'll report back. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZ5326X2: Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By AZ5326X2: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/499876/20230519_123204_jpg-2822029.JPG Buffer after ONE range session. The gas port has to be stupid-huge. Recoil spring wore out? Not even close. It also had a new Wolff extra power AK spring in it. Installed the KNS piston today, and I should have a chance to get it out on Tuesday. Me and a couple of old Teammates are heading out to burn some powder. I'll report back. That's nuts. I put a wolff spring in mine and recoil buffer, mine looks nothing like yours after about 100 rounds. You'd think ATI would use the same hole size for all of their barrels. Wonder if there's someway you could figure out what size it is with different wire sizes or something down the gasblock  Attached FileThose are what sizes they should be, wonder if they used #25 for the whole thing. |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 5:19:06 PM EDT
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Something tells me that it's still going to run just fine even with maximum gas bleed-off. Lol!
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Posted: 5/23/2023 4:42:42 PM EDT
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The rifle still "ran" even with maximum gas bleed. Still way overgassed, but now an unreliable POS. Done with this thing and it's going back.
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Posted: 5/23/2023 7:56:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZ5326X2: The rifle still "ran" even with maximum gas bleed. Still way overgassed, but now an unreliable POS. Done with this thing and it's going back. What's it doing? |
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Posted: 5/23/2023 8:17:20 PM EDT
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Failures to feed now for some reason, and at least once where a spent casing worked its way back into the lock work.
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Posted: 5/23/2023 10:26:35 PM EDT
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Yikes this thread made me remember why I don't buy galils and to stick to normal AKs that I at least have steel tomwork with on the rcvr!
What an ATI mess these are. Shame cause they look nice!! |
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Posted: 5/24/2023 7:18:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZ5326X2: The rifle still "ran" even with maximum gas bleed. Still way overgassed, but now an unreliable POS. Done with this thing and it's going back. ATI or JRA? I saw you had a buffer, did you add it or did it come with it? My POS James River Armory Galil still needs to go back to them. The only fix for the ATI Galil pistol is to re-barrel it. I'd be tempted to buy another one and have it rebarreled to 18 inches. Last I looked Tiger imports is out of Nitride Galil barrels, again. |
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Posted: 5/24/2023 11:12:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drobs: ATI or JRA? I saw you had a buffer, did you add it or did it come with it? My POS James River Armory Galil still needs to go back to them. The only fix for the ATI Galil pistol is to re-barrel it. I'd be tempted to buy another one and have it rebarreled to 18 inches. Last I looked Tiger imports is out of Nitride Galil barrels, again. Did you install the kns on the Jra? Fun fact on the Jra it will slam fire too. |
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Posted: 5/24/2023 6:29:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drobs: ATI or JRA? I saw you had a buffer, did you add it or did it come with it? My POS James River Armory Galil still needs to go back to them. The only fix for the ATI Galil pistol is to re-barrel it. I'd be tempted to buy another one and have it rebarreled to 18 inches. Last I looked Tiger imports is out of Nitride Galil barrels, again. ATI. Spoke with them this morning. I added the buffer and a Wolff extra power spring, trying to slow down that crazy bolt carrier. Didn't even touch it. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 6:51:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rosta97: Did you install the kns on the Jra? Fun fact on the Jra it will slam fire too. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rosta97: Originally Posted By drobs: ATI or JRA? I saw you had a buffer, did you add it or did it come with it? My POS James River Armory Galil still needs to go back to them. The only fix for the ATI Galil pistol is to re-barrel it. I'd be tempted to buy another one and have it rebarreled to 18 inches. Last I looked Tiger imports is out of Nitride Galil barrels, again. Did you install the kns on the Jra? Fun fact on the Jra it will slam fire too. My ATI did it too. Cuz the free floating firing pin. Gotta keep it clean I guess. Not sure what else to do besides get a new bolt. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 6:56:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZ5326X2: ATI. Spoke with them this morning. I added the buffer and a Wolff extra power spring, trying to slow down that crazy bolt carrier. Didn't even touch it. Their CS is pretty good. Make sure to remove your spring and buffer. Also not sure if I'd mention replacing parts or using mags other than the promag. Their warranty card that comes with it mentions some stuff. That and when I sent mine in it looks like they swapped parts. |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 9:10:56 PM EDT
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Finally got mine out to shoot. Only ran 4 mags through it. One failure to extract. Not sure why. It throws empties about 30 feet away. Runs with the Tapco mag and surplus mags. I may look into a KNS piston for this. Fun little gun. We'll see how it holds up.
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Posted: 7/4/2023 6:20:21 AM EDT
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@AZ5326X2
You get your gun back yet? |
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Posted: 7/4/2023 10:26:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: @AZ5326X2 You get your gun back yet? ATI has had the gun for two weeks now. Figured it would take a bit to get it back. No rush on my end, but I will note that I had to send a SIG 5.56 Rattler upper at the same time. I've already gotten the Rattler back and have already shot the shit outta it to confirm its fixed...looking at you, ATI... 
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Posted: 7/5/2023 10:37:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Their CS is pretty good. Make sure to remove your spring and buffer. Also not sure if I'd mention replacing parts or using mags other than the promag. Their warranty card that comes with it mentions some stuff. That and when I sent mine in it looks like they swapped parts. Did you get ATI to rebarrel yours? |
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Posted: 7/5/2023 3:48:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CPT_CAVEMAN]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drobs: Did you get ATI to rebarrel yours? Ha, ya. And left me with other issues. The gastube was about 1/8-1/4" too far back so I got to sand and file to get the carrier to close like it should and also cut the dust cover. I sent it back twice then just said screw it and had them send me a dust cover. And swapped out the bolt for one that fit better. Runs great now, but the headspace/receiver was obviously complete crap. |
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Posted: 7/5/2023 10:02:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Ha, ya. And left me with other issues. The gastube was about 1/8-1/4" too far back so I got to sand and file to get the carrier to close like it should and also cut the dust cover. I sent it back twice then just said screw it and had them send me a dust cover. And swapped out the bolt for one that fit better. Runs great now, but the headspace/receiver was obviously complete crap. Crazy. That was a smart idea in theory though - having them do it. Too bad it didn't work out. I'm happy with my ATI now but just can't recommend anyone else buy one. |
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Posted: 9/17/2023 12:17:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/18/2023 6:44:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: https://dahlonegaarmory.com/product/ati-galeo-pistol-5.56-13-tf-blade-psb-30rd#product_detail And Royal Tiger Imports has more barrels. https://www.royaltigerimports.com/product-p/galilbarrel001.htm |
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Posted: 9/19/2023 7:55:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drobs: And Royal Tiger Imports has more barrels. https://www.royaltigerimports.com/product-p/galilbarrel001.htm Ya I still have 2 from the last round. I'm a glutton for punishment and just ordered a receiver from Atlantic to mount one on. Atlantic said they haven't had issues from people with ATI receivers, so maybe the average home builder is more capable than ATIs gunsmifs. I'm thinking ATIs gas ports are already predrilled, only thing that makes sense on how bad they did mine. |
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Posted: 9/19/2023 3:39:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Ya I still have 2 from the last round. I'm a glutton for punishment and just ordered a receiver from Atlantic to mount one on. Atlantic said they haven't had issues from people with ATI receivers, so maybe the average home builder is more capable than ATIs gunsmifs. I'm thinking ATIs gas ports are already predrilled, only thing that makes sense on how bad they did mine. I would take what Atlantic says with a grain of salt. They're in the business of selling stuff. They also said that they didn't have any issues with IO AKs. |
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Posted: 9/29/2023 6:41:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AEnemaBay: I would take what Atlantic says with a grain of salt. They're in the business of selling stuff. They also said that they didn't have any issues with IO AKs. Just picked it up. ATI stepped up their game, time will tell if it's just lipstick on a pig, but they put the S F markings where the thumb safety is and also put notches where the selector is. I did a rough fit with my barrel installed and the bolt sits pretty good. If they figured out the heat treat problem then the receiver for 360 is a steal. Has a better coating as well. The one I got is in the 5500 range, my ghetto SAR is in the low 4000. |
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Posted: 9/30/2023 4:43:41 PM EDT
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I'm still waiting on ATI to send mine back. They've had it since June.
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Posted: 1/19/2024 11:48:30 AM EDT
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And I'm STILL waiting on these clowns. Emailed last week for a follow-up: crickets.
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Posted: 1/19/2024 6:10:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZ5326X2: And I'm STILL waiting on these clowns. Emailed last week for a follow-up: crickets. That's crazy. Report it stolen?  |
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Posted: 1/19/2024 9:30:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ngc1300]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83: Yikes this thread made me remember why I don't buy galils and to stick to normal AKs that I at least have steel tomwork with on the rcvr! What an ATI mess these are. Shame cause they look nice!! These Galeos are junk. I saw ATI at a major gun trade show around 2018 and they were showing off these ATI Galeos preproduction. I asked the rep what kind of barrels were in them, he didn't know and went and found the owner of the company. The owner had no idea what kind of barrels were in the gun but said "They're good they shoot dime sized groups". I knew at that moment if no one in the company knew what kind of barrels these thing had, there is no way they know anything about what they're building. These are garbage rods. |
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Posted: 1/20/2024 12:32:03 AM EDT
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I watched these two videos and many more, before I purchased my ATI Galeo a month ago. I admit that I know next to nothing about these things so maybe that is why I was impressed?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thJm7V-p86c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyXT5G0UuZM |
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Posted: 1/20/2024 9:07:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DoorKicker: I watched these two videos and many more, before I purchased my ATI Galeo a month ago. I admit that I know next to nothing about these things so maybe that is why I was impressed? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thJm7V-p86c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyXT5G0UuZM Those are the older ARMs they sold. What I gathered is that whoever they used for materials and/or gunsmiths to build them knew what they were doing and the later SARs weren't as good. Can't remember were I was reading but people weren't too thrilled when the SARs first hit the market, guess someone in the know knew how they'd be. You can also search online and find out the receiver serial range that people had the most problems with and what the most common problem was( headspace). Maybe they finally fixed their issues with the SARs/receivers, or you just got a good one. Possible the ARMs were built by actual Israelis or the people who they trained at ATI, then after they left things went to trash. |
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DOM
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Posted: 3/18/2024 8:14:45 PM EDT
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A gun store about an hour north of me has a used ATI Galeo pistol for about $775.
Thinking about getting it, as a companion to my ATI Galeo 16" rifle (008xx serial range.) Haven't fired my rifle yet, but when I was testing out a couple of surplus magazines I bought last weekend with some dummy rounds, I encountered a problem with my trigger. I would rack the slide, but the selector switch would not go to "F," nor would it go to "S" trigger was frozen. I took the dust cover off the top, racked the slide, and watched the hammer. The hammer would go so far down, the claws would latch onto the the little shelf and immobilize the trigger. I reset the hammer, to where it should be tethered when cocked, and the selector would function normally. I reassembled the rifle, put the top cover back on. Sometimes it would function check normally, cycle dummy rounds normally, but then the hammer would go back too far and get captured. Is this trigger problem something that will go away once the rifle has been "broken in" by firing several hundred rounds? Should I send it back to ATI and pay to have their gunsmith look it over? Should I have a local gunsmith look it over and avoid the shipping and waiting? Is it cursed by poor QC and I should just sell it and the two dozen mags I accumulated to just spare myself the frustration? As for the pistol?: Are they all cursed, or did any reliable ones leave the factory? |
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Posted: 3/19/2024 8:14:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JTF-B: A gun store about an hour north of me has a used ATI Galeo pistol for about $775. Thinking about getting it, as a companion to my ATI Galeo 16" rifle (008xx serial range.) Haven't fired my rifle yet, but when I was testing out a couple of surplus magazines I bought last weekend with some dummy rounds, I encountered a problem with my trigger. I would rack the slide, but the selector switch would not go to "F," nor would it go to "S" trigger was frozen. I took the dust cover off the top, racked the slide, and watched the hammer. The hammer would go so far down, the claws would latch onto the the little shelf and immobilize the trigger. I reset the hammer, to where it should be tethered when cocked, and the selector would function normally. I reassembled the rifle, put the top cover back on. Sometimes it would function check normally, cycle dummy rounds normally, but then the hammer would go back too far and get captured. Is this trigger problem something that will go away once the rifle has been "broken in" by firing several hundred rounds? Should I send it back to ATI and pay to have their gunsmith look it over? Should I have a local gunsmith look it over and avoid the shipping and waiting? Is it cursed by poor QC and I should just sell it and the two dozen mags I accumulated to just spare myself the frustration? As for the pistol?: Are they all cursed, or did any reliable ones leave the factory? Go shoot your rifle. Hand cycling doesn't show you shit. Hate to be blunt. A barrel swap and trimming the flag on the safety fixed my ATI pistol / now rifle. |
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Posted: 3/20/2024 12:51:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drobs: Go shoot your rifle. Hand cycling doesn't show you shit. Hate to be blunt. A barrel swap and trimming the flag on the safety fixed my ATI pistol / now rifle. Went to the store with the range behind it. Bought the pistol. Brought the rifle. Shot the pistol. It shot correctly, feeding and cycling from both Tapco and surplus steel mags. As this was the shortest barrel (13") I have ever fired 5.56 from, the added noise and muzzle blast was a new experience. Shot the rifle. It cycled rounds from both kinds of mags. It shot a few rounds, then, the hammer stopped resetting. Opened it up, pushed back on the disconnector, allowing the hammer to rise to the proper position. Fired a couple of rounds, then it happened again. Showed the malfunction to one of the store's armorers, who was acting as one of the range safety officers. He examined it and told me the hammer would go back low enough for the back end of the hammer to be grabbed by the disconnector. Basically, the disconnector was not allowing the hammer to re-set. The gunsmith thought that shaving a little bit of material off the disconnector might prevent it from binding up the hammer. Time to talk to ATI and ask them to fix it, or should I find someone local? |
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Posted: 3/20/2024 12:58:44 PM EDT
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Based on the other members in this thread experiences sending theirs into ATI, I'd try to find someone local to work on it.
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Posted: 3/20/2024 1:56:12 PM EDT
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June will be ONE YEAR since I sent mine in...
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Posted: 3/20/2024 7:46:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZ5326X2: June will be ONE YEAR since I sent mine in... That's insane. Are you sure they still have it in their possession? Wonder what would happen if you reported it stolen |
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Posted: 3/21/2024 10:30:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Wonder what would happen if you reported it stolen 1. He would be filing a false report...it wasn't taken in a theft, it's a civil matter. 2. If it was reported and entered as stolen, nothing would happen until the serial number was ran through NCIC for some reason...not likely to happen unless someone doing something sketchy had it in their possession and came into contact with LE. And even then, unless the recovering agency is somewhat local to you the chances of you getting it back are slim...I had a G19 stolen from me (I'm pretty sure it was an ex I had just broken up with, but couldn't prove it), I filed a stolen report with my local PD and they entered the SN# into NCIC. About 7 years later a patrol officer showed up at my door and said it had been recovered in connection with a crime somewhere in Illinois (I'm in Alabama). Both the PD and myself attempted contact with the recovering agency with no results. I'm assuming it was either destroyed after the accompanying criminal case was resolved or an officer with the recovery agency now has a free Gen3 19. |
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Posted: 3/21/2024 1:06:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kwb377: 1. He would be filing a false report...it wasn't taken in a theft, it's a civil matter. 2. If it was reported and entered as stolen, nothing would happen until the serial number was ran through NCIC for some reason...not likely to happen unless someone doing something sketchy had it in their possession and came into contact with LE. And even then, unless the recovering agency is somewhat local to you the chances of you getting it back are slim...I had a G19 stolen from me (I'm pretty sure it was an ex I had just broken up with, but couldn't prove it), I filed a stolen report with my local PD and they entered the SN# into NCIC. About 7 years later a patrol officer showed up at my door and said it had been recovered in connection with a crime somewhere in Illinois (I'm in Alabama). Both the PD and myself attempted contact with the recovering agency with no results. I'm assuming it was either destroyed after the accompanying criminal case was resolved or an officer with the recovery agency now has a free Gen3 19. Are we sure? I mailed mine off twice to them and both times took about 6 weeks round trip, and don't think I've read them taking 9 months on this forum or others. There is obviously something more going on than just them fixing it. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 12:28:10 AM EDT
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Can anyone who has a Galeo pistol tell me what type (commercial/military) AR buffer tube/receiver extension it is threaded for?
Is there a pistol brace that both folds and collapses that will fit on this pistol? |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 10:20:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: drobs]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JTF-B: Can anyone who has a Galeo pistol tell me what type (commercial/military) AR buffer tube/receiver extension it is threaded for? Is there a pistol brace that both folds and collapses that will fit on this pistol? It's threaded for a Milspec buffer tube. Before my pistol transitioned to a rifle I had it setup like this:  Attached FileYou could add an AR brace to this and have a folder: https://www.bonesteelarms.com/product/galil-collapsible-m4-style-folding-stock/ Or put those $ toward converting it into a rifle via a barrel swap or welded on barrel extension. https://atlanticfirearms.com/galil-sar-muzzle-brake-extension And then use the standard surplus Galil folding stock. I would recommend a barrel swap, unless you got one that actually feeds, fires, and ejects. |
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DOM
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:23:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drobs: It's threaded for a Milspec buffer tube. Before my pistol transitioned to a rifle I had it setup like this: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/41568/ATI_Galil_JPG-3169863.JPG You could add an AR brace to this and have a folder: https://www.bonesteelarms.com/product/galil-collapsible-m4-style-folding-stock/ Or put those $ toward converting it into a rifle via a barrel swap or welded on barrel extension. https://atlanticfirearms.com/galil-sar-muzzle-brake-extension And then use the standard surplus Galil folding stock. I would recommend a barrel swap, unless you got one that actually feeds, fires, and ejects. Thank you, Drobs. My pistol feeds, fires, and ejects just fine, but it came without a tube. Depending upon how the brace issue is decided, I am leaning towards turning it into an SBR at 13, with something different than the issue stock, as I already have SAR. The Bonesteel Arms looks like a winner, but the pictures of the stock make me wonder how would I attach it to the back of Galeo. |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 6:14:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JTF-B: Thank you, Drobs. My pistol feeds, fires, and ejects just fine, but it came without a tube. Depending upon how the brace issue is decided, I am leaning towards turning it into an SBR at 13, with something different than the issue stock, as I already have SAR. The Bonesteel Arms looks like a winner, but the pictures of the stock make me wonder how would I attach it to the back of Galeo. I would think it attaches the same way the original / buffer tube adapter does with a pin. But agree those pics don't show the hole in the side of the block. My ATI Galil pistol would feed, fire, eject then have a broken shell casing at the end of each magazine. Turns out the head spacing was way off. |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 10:20:14 AM EDT
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 Attached File Attached FileMine shipped with the buffer tube only, no brace. I replaced it all with the CNC Warrior folding brace. The threaded receiver for the buffer tube is pinned into the receiver exactly like original Galil stock would be. You drive the pin out and slide the CNC brace in. Drill a hole, and drive the pin back in. Very easy and nice and tight |
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