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Posted: 8/15/2015 12:10:12 PM EDT
Yea yea I know thread is worthless without pics.

I am far from a Galil expert ... which is why I am posting here. I know 2 diff companies imported these rifles into the US back in the 80s when Merica was America

Magnum research and Action Arms. I have seen dozens of preban Galils in person and have seen thousands for sale at gunshows - online etc ...

And I have NEVER seen one like mine marked with a AA serial number prefix ( stands for Action Arms ) yet on the same receiver it is marked imported by Magnum Research ?

I have been told in the past that mine is an ultra rare rifle that was caught in the inbetween phase of importation.

Mine also has a very uniquiley rare marked receiver that does not say Galil. Which back in the post preban era of CA laws and other states restricting Galil prebans from being transferred in made it even more rare and desirable.

I can probably post up pics early next week ... just wanted to toss out a 'feeler' to see if anyone had seen something similar in their travels
Link Posted: 8/15/2015 9:09:19 PM EDT
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Some onfo you may find interesting may be here already.
This Galil Info was collected several years ago by Yog (in Alaska)[Galil Expert & Collector] ....
as reported to him by Galil owners.....

Version 1.3 - 12 April 99

This is a compilation of Galil data that has been posted on these boards,
from my personal experiences, and from some very helpful Galil owners who
responded to my Galil Questionnaire. This is a living document and is
constantly being updated and corrected. The thoroughness of this list is a direct result of all its contributors.

AR model rifles: generally have plastic handguards, no bipod, and no
carrying handle. MR rifles generally have bayonet lugs and AA rifles
generally do not.
ARM model rifles: generally have wooden handguards, a bipod, and a carrying
handle. Some have bayonet lugs and some don't.

Here we go:
MR = Magnum Research - 1st Galil importer
AA = Action Arms - 2nd Galil importer and went out of business in 1989.
GS = Springfield Armory - 3rd Galil importer (between 25 July 91 & 31 July
92)

5.56mm Magnum Research Rifles
MR no model # (appears to be a Model 361 but is not marked) – 5.56mm
AR, 18 bbl.,bayonet lug on barrel, no bipod or bipod attachment point, M-16
style flash suppressor, has spring loaded firing pin,rifle is stamped
Galil; above scope mounting notch. Serial # in MR0051x range. (1 rifle
reported)

MR 361 - 5.56mm AR, 18" bbl., 1-12" twist, bayonet lug on bbl., bipod lug
milled off gas block,M-16 style flash suppressor.
Early models had a "straight trigger" as found on Valmets. Serial # in
MR00064x range. (1 rifle reported)

MR 372 - 5.56mm ARM, 18" bbl., 1-12" twist, bayonet lug on bbl., bipod, M-16
style flash suppressor. Serial #s from MR0028xx to MR003xxx. (3 rifles
reported)

7.62mm Magnum Research Rifles
MR 331 - 7.62mm AR, 20" bbl., 1-12; twist, bayonet lug on barrel, bipod
attachment milled off gas block, M-16 style
flash suppressor. Serial # in MR04xxx to MR046xx range. Caliber is marked
7.62/.308;. (2 rifles reported)

MR 332 - 7.62mm ARM, 20" bbl., bayonet lug on bbl., M-16 style flash
suppressor. (0 rifles reported)

MR 332 - 7.62mm AR, 16.5" bbl., no bayonet lug, no bipod or attachment,
plastic handguard, M-16 style flash suppressor.
Serial # in MR069xx range. Appears to have been a "Special Run" of rifles.
(1 rifle reported)

It appears that all MR Serial #s are located behind the rear handguard
(vertically) on the "left" side of the rifle.
There appears to be transitional variants of Model 331, 332, 361, and 372
rifles during the MR/AA change over period.
The Model 331, 332, & 361 rifles as imported by AA hold true for the
descriptions listed under their MR brethren. The only difference is they
contained milled out; areas on the receiver where the MR
importation marks and serial # prefixes have been removed and the AA data
added.

Some Model 372 ARM rifles have been reported with more noticeable
differences. They appear to be an AR/ARM combination. Their features are as
follows: Model 372, 5.56mm, 18" bbl., 1-12" rifling twist,black plastic
handguard, bayonet lug, bipod attachment point w/o bipod, Galil style flash
suppressor, and no carrying handle.
Additionally, they have a shallow "milled out area" on the left side of the
receiver where the MR importation marks and serial #prefixes have been
removed and the AA data added. It appears these rifles were originally MR
rifles, but were "redone" to have AA markings. The Serial #s are in the
AAL3xxx range and are located behind the rear handguard (vertically) on the
"left" side of the rifle.

5.56mm Action Arms Rifles
AA 361 ; 5.56mm AR (transitional), 18; bbl., 1-12; twist, bayonet lug on
barrel, no bipod, Galil style flash suppressor. Serial # in AAL000xxx to
AAL011xx range and located vertically behind the rear handguard. These
rifles are not marked Galil and have milled out areas on their receivers.
(3 rifles reported)

AA 372 - 5.56mm ARM, 18" bbl., 1-12" twist, bayonet lug, bipod, M-16 style
(early) flash suppressor or Galil style (later) flash suppressor. Serial #
in AA03xxx to AAL207750x range. Early rifles had bayonet lugs on a ring
pinned onto the bbl. and later rifles have them attached to the front
end of the gas block. (6 rifles reported)

AA 386 - 5.56mm AR, 16" bbl., 1-12" twist, no bayonet lug, no bipod
attachment point, Galil style flash suppressor. Serial # in AAL207765x to
AAL209xxxx range. (4 rifles reported)

AA 392 - 5.56mm ARM, 16" bbl., 1-12" twist, no bayonet lug, Galil style
flash suppressor. Serial #s in AAL207910x to AAL207947x range.
(3 rifles reported)

AA 392S - 5.56mm "ARM Sporter", 16" bbl., 1-7" twist, wood handguard, carry
handle, no bayonet lug, no bipod, but has bipod attachment pt., no night
sights, threaded muzzle. (1 rifle reported)

AA 397S - 5.56mm "AR Sporter", 16" bbl., 1-7" twist, black plastic
handguard, no carry handle,no bayonet lug, no bipod attachment pt., no night
sights, threaded muzzle. Serial # in AAL210xxxx to AAL21005xx range. (3
rifles reported)

AA 710S 5.56mm ;ARM Sporter 16; bbl., 1-7; twist, wood thumb-hole stock,
wood ARM hand guard, no carrying handle, no night sights, threaded muzzle,
bipod attachment point. Serial # in AAL 210022x range. (1 rifle reported)

7.62mm Action Arms Rifles
AA 331 7.62mm AR (transitional), 20 bbl., 1-12; twist, bayonet lug on
barrel, no bipod or bipod attachment point, Galil style flash suppressor.
Serial # in AAL049xx range and located vertically behind the rear handguard.

These rifles are not marked Galil and have milled out areas on their
receivers. (3 rifles reported)

AA 323 - 7.62mm ARM, 18" bbl., 1-12" twist, no bayonet lug, bipod, Galil
style flash suppressor,Serial # in AAL2089xxx to AAL2094xxx range. (4 rifles
reported)

AA 329 - 7.62mm AR, 18" bbl., no bayonet lug, no bipod attachment, Galil
style flash suppressor,Serial # in AAL209094x range. (1 rifle reported)

AA 332 - 7.62mm ARM, 20" bbl., 1-12” twist, bayonet lug on bbl.,
bipod, Galil style flash suppressor, Serial # in
AAL2078xxx range. (2 rifles reported) There is one unique transitional rifle
reported with the following characteristics: Serial #
in MR076xx range and located vertically behind the rear handguard, not
stamped Galil, but imported by Action Arms. Yes, it has the MR prefix. Box
and paperwork are dated 1992. The receiver does have milled out areas.

AA 329S - 7.62mm "AR Sporter", 18" bbl., black plastic handguard, thumbhole
stock, no bayonet lug, no bipod attachment point, no night sights, threaded
muzzle. Serial # in AAL209xxxx range. (2 rifles reported)

5.56mm Springfield Armory Rifles
GS 386 - 5.56mm AR. Serial # in GS2095xxx. No "S" after Model #. (Only 1
rifle reported).

GS 710-S - 5.56mm "ARM Sporter", 16" barrel, 1-7" twist, wood thumb-hole
stock, wood ARM hand guard, no carrying handle, no night sights. Serial # in
GS2100xxx range. (1 rifle reported) There is also a GS 710 rifle reported
without the S stamped after the model number and without the
GS Serial # prefix. Serial # in 210020x.

7.62mm Springfield Armory Rifles
GS 329-S - 7.62mm "AR Sporter", 18" barrel, 1-12" twist, wood thumb-hole
stock, black plastic hand guard, no night sights.
Serial # in GS2099xxx range. (1 rifle reported)

It appears that all AA (except for transitional models) & all GS Serial #s
are located above the scope mounting "notch".
All Magnum Research rifles are Pre-89. Most appear to be Kalifornia legal,
but there is at least one documented MR rifle which is stamped Galil.
Some Action Arms rifles are Pre-89 and some are Post-89.
All Springfield Armory rifles are Post-89. (CDNN was a known vendor.)
Springfield imported less than 1000 Galil rifles
between 7-25-91 and 7-31-92.

The difference between Pre & Post rifles is as follows: Post-89 rifles have
the letter "S" stamped (sometimes crudely) AFTER the model number. On some
rifles the letter "S" was added after the rifle was imported and on other
rifles the "S" was added when the rifle was manufactured. This is not to be
confused with "S. Auto Galil" stamped onto the receiver. Post '89 rifles
have thumbhole stocks, no bayonet lugs, no bipods, no night sights, and no flash suppressors.

Some Galil rifles (appear to be only Magnum Research imports) do not have
the word "Galil" stamped onto the receiver and these rifles are called
"Kalifornia Legal" and bring a premium price.
Early MR imported rifles did not come with Tritium night sights or spring
loaded firing pins.
Owners could send in their bolts for firing pin spring refit and request
their night sights. It is believed that the U.S. Government was in the
process of approving tritium for importation at that time.

Serial #s appear to start low in MR rifles and reach almost 7000. The
reported low MR # is 005xx and the reported high MR # is 69xx. There have
been no rifles reported in the MR5xxx range.
Serial #s appear to be in prefixes: 2077xxx, 208xxxx, 209xxxx & 210xxxx for
AA rifles.
Serial #s appear to be in prefixes: 2099xxx & 2100xxx for GS rifles.

The first 100 MR imported Galils arrived with commemorative paperwork
signifying their special status to their owners.
There is a 10 Yr. Anniversary commemorative sticker attached to the box of
"appropriate" AA import rifles.
Plastic handguards are now available for ARM style rifles.
There are several types of IMI scope mounts. The original (best & expensive)
utilizes a lever and attaches onto the scope mounting "groove" on the left
side of the rifle. This scope mount comes in three variants. One
variant is designed for STANAG scopes, another variant is designed for a 1"
tube scope, and the final variant is designed for a "channel" for ACOGs or
M-16 style scopes.
The cheaper scope mount also attaches onto the scope mounting "groove" and
is tightened with a "wheel" or "screw".
There is also a scope mount designed for AN-PVS/2 night vision devices.
Additionally, GG&G manufactures and sells a Galil scope mount.

Both plastic "Orlite" and steel magazines are available for the 5.56mm
rifles. Steel magazines are available in 12, 35, and 50 round capacities.
Orlite magazines are available in 35 round capacities. South Africa also
manufactures a 35 round steel magazine and a plastic 35 round magazine.
There are two types of M-16 magazine adapters designed for the 5.56mm
rifles. One type was designed by/for MR and the other by/for AA. As far as
can be determined, the only difference is that the MR version has a
"safety catch" to prevent accidentally discharging the adapter while
changing magazines.
There are 20 and 25 round 7.62mm steel magazines available. The 25 round
magazines appear to be originally designed for the Galil by IMI. The 20
round magazines appear to be modified M-14 magazines.
Valmet ejection port buffers will not fit Galil rifles.
There is a IMI Blank Firing Adapter that was available for the 5.56mm
rifles.

Many serious students of firearms consider the Galil to be the "ultimate" AK
rifle. Galils are manufactured from/with a "milled"
receiver as opposed to a "stamped" receiver for most Valmets and AK series
weapons. Milled receivers are heavier, stronger,
and much more expensive to manufacture than stamped receivers. Some people
consider milled receivers unnecessary due to the success of the stamped
receiver guns and the weight and cost of the milled steel. Perhaps,one
should examine the pros and cons of each and arrive at their own
conclusions. A Valmet rifle is an excellent rifle if someone did not want to
incur the weight & expense of the Galil.

It appears there were approximately 7,000 - 9,000 Semi-Automatic Galil
rifles imported (total).
This included both calibers and all three importers.
Perhaps the most intriguing piece of information I received regards South
African Galil rifles.
An informed source has related that there were about 130 Semi-Automatic
South African Galil receivers imported into the U.S. He stated that they
were receivers only and had to be assembled with other Galil parts.

Many thanks to all the Galil owners who have shared their
information and experiences.

Not my original information. Created by Yog. In Alaska. ...fyi
Link Posted: 8/15/2015 9:32:27 PM EDT
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That is some great info ! Thanks for sharing / providing that.

Galils are very rare indeed ... and mine might be even rarer than I thought

Time to did into the safes and pull it out.

Got it out of the safe.

I was backwards - It is a MR serial number and imported by Action Arms

Serial number is MR 0759_ Does not say Galil as I stated.It is model 332
Has a full bayo lug - flash hider Bipod w/ wire cutters

Mine is a 20" bbl and obviously has the side folding factory stock and original wood furniture w/ pivoting wood handle top carry handle

Reciever marked as: ( no wording of Galil )

CALIBER 7.62/.308
MODEL 332
IMI-ISRAEL

I will take an ipotato pic ( lost my camera cord that plugs into my cmptr )

I will add my .223 Galil info below to help with intel on galils
Link Posted: 8/15/2015 9:53:02 PM EDT
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Nothing extra special about my .223 Galil

18" bbl flash hider and bipod w/ wire cutter.
Original factory wood furniture w/ side folding stock and top pivoting carry handle

It is serial # AAL-207737_ marked Galil

engraving is:

S.AUTO GALIL
CAL..223REM
MODEL 372
IMI ISRAEL
Link Posted: 8/15/2015 10:36:20 PM EDT
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I have a 332 also. Ill have to dig it out and see what it has on it.

Eta. MR 07*** SERIAL
Action Arms Import( in mill out on left side)

CALIBER 7.62/308
MODEL 332
IMI  ISREAL

Bayo lug
Bipod
Buttpad on stock
Night sights
Link Posted: 8/15/2015 11:05:28 PM EDT
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I have a 332 also. Ill have to dig it out and see what it has on it.

Eta. MR 07*** SERIAL
Action Arms Import( in mill out on left side)

CALIBER 7.62/308
MODEL 332
IMI  ISREAL

Bayo lug
Bipod
Buttpad on stock
Night sights
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Very nice !

Very likely our 2 rifles were manufactured within a couple days of one another !!

I was offered $5K for mine about 5 yrs ago by a dude in California who knew all about the non Galil marked loophole to get it transferred into Kommie-Fornia. I almost bit on it and now I am glad I didn't. It was nice dragging it out of the safe as I only get it out about once a year for an oil down / cleanup. I shot it right after buying it and not since then ( sadly )
Link Posted: 8/15/2015 11:21:58 PM EDT
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I wish there was a source for numbers imported each type. I traded a model B Uzi in box for my first Galil an AA 386.

5000 might be tough to pass up. I like seeing the crazy prices they go for now but it also means I'll never buy another.
Link Posted: 8/16/2015 2:31:43 PM EDT
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I wish there was a source for numbers imported each type. I traded a model B Uzi in box for my first Galil an AA 386.

5000 might be tough to pass up. I like seeing the crazy prices they go for now but it also means I'll never buy another.
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Yea I agree ... I would rather see them still imported for $800ea so I could own half a dozen of them vs just a couple


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