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Posted: 7/21/2014 3:06:20 PM EDT
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Quoted: Centerfire has 100+ That's more than I have, I only have 2... |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 3:19:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/21/2014 3:48:23 PM EDT
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so let me get this right...
breaking the weld means you need to get it 922r compliant? and you can't replace the folding stock with a fixed stock version as the receivers are fundamentally different? |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 3:53:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: so let me get this right... breaking the weld means you need to get it 922r compliant? Correct and you can't replace the folding stock with a fixed stock version as the receivers are fundamentally different? Rear of the receiver/trunnions are very different between the two. If I could have only one, it would be the fixed stock version. I do own both however. Prefer the fixed stock variety. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 3:57:30 PM EDT
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If I could have only one, it would be the fixed stock version. I do own both however. Prefer the fixed stock variety. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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so let me get this right... breaking the weld means you need to get it 922r compliant? Correct and you can't replace the folding stock with a fixed stock version as the receivers are fundamentally different? Rear of the receiver/trunnions are very different between the two. If I could have only one, it would be the fixed stock version. I do own both however. Prefer the fixed stock variety. so there isn't a way to modify to a fixed one and there aren't any other options for the folders? |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 5:42:35 PM EDT
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Atlantic just posted some more V12's. just got the email.
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Posted: 7/21/2014 11:30:57 PM EDT
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so there isn't a way to modify to a fixed one and there aren't any other options for the folders? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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so let me get this right... breaking the weld means you need to get it 922r compliant? Correct and you can't replace the folding stock with a fixed stock version as the receivers are fundamentally different? Rear of the receiver/trunnions are very different between the two. If I could have only one, it would be the fixed stock version. I do own both however. Prefer the fixed stock variety. so there isn't a way to modify to a fixed one and there aren't any other options for the folders? You can put a adapter on and use an AR type stock after taking off the factory folder stock. I have 2 of the factory folders, i love them the way they are.Just feels right for me. I do believe the factory fixed stock models have a slightly longer barrel over the folders. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 11:46:06 PM EDT
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You can put a adapter on and use an AR type stock after taking off the factory folder stock. I have 2 of the factory folders, i love them the way they are.Just feels right for me. I do believe the factory fixed stock models have a slightly longer barrel over the folders. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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so let me get this right... breaking the weld means you need to get it 922r compliant? Correct and you can't replace the folding stock with a fixed stock version as the receivers are fundamentally different? Rear of the receiver/trunnions are very different between the two. If I could have only one, it would be the fixed stock version. I do own both however. Prefer the fixed stock variety. so there isn't a way to modify to a fixed one and there aren't any other options for the folders? You can put a adapter on and use an AR type stock after taking off the factory folder stock. I have 2 of the factory folders, i love them the way they are.Just feels right for me. I do believe the factory fixed stock models have a slightly longer barrel over the folders. really? everything I have read says you are stuck with the folder. Or did they mean that this is the only folding option right now? Will changing it to a AR 5-6 pos stock make the folding one irreversible? |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:02:11 AM EDT
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really? everything I have read says you are stuck with the folder. Or did they mean that this is the only folding option right now? Will changing it to a AR 5-6 pos stock make the folding one irreversible? Yup, ask Liquidmetal about the adapter, he knows all there is to know about the Vepr's.More than i can help you with. Im sure he can provide you with links,info, etc on them. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 6:27:39 AM EDT
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This is your one and only option at the moment: http://www.russiansurplus.net/product_p/vepr-ar-adapter-w-sp.htm
Canis is making noise about producing their own version: http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181937 As you can see, options are very limited with the factory folders. The fixed stock Vepr 12s come in as either 19" or 22" barreled guns, both of them are out there. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 9:23:10 AM EDT
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This is your one and only option at the moment: http://www.russiansurplus.net/product_p/vepr-ar-adapter-w-sp.htm Canis is making noise about producing their own version: http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181937 As you can see, options are very limited with the factory folders. The fixed stock Vepr 12s come in as either 19" or 22" barreled guns, both of them are out there. but that one ends up placing the cheek weld lower than before. I guess the only other option for going to fixed would be to put one of these on, just wouldn't have the folding option (which is fine) http://www.4range.com/goods.php?id=265 |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 9:35:33 AM EDT
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vepr 12s are made as a folder
the fixed stock ones were a kludge to get the first guns imported |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 9:54:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess the only other option for going to fixed would be to put one of these on, just wouldn't have the folding option (which is fine) http://www.4range.com/goods.php?id=265 That's the same part I linked to from russiansurplus.net. It is the only part currently available on the market. Same part, multiple sellers. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 9:55:11 AM EDT
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vepr 12s are made as a folder the fixed stock ones were a kludge to get the first guns imported http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/rus/vepr-12-e.html yeah, have a folding one on the way, but wanting to replace the current set up with either: (ideally) 1. a folding set-up that incorporates a mil-spec carbine tube (honorable mention) 2. an adapter that can accept a mil-spec carbine buffer tube |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 9:57:02 AM EDT
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That's the same part I linked to from russiansurplus.net. It is the only part currently available on the market. Same part, multiple sellers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I guess the only other option for going to fixed would be to put one of these on, just wouldn't have the folding option (which is fine) http://www.4range.com/goods.php?id=265 That's the same part I linked to from russiansurplus.net. It is the only part currently available on the market. Same part, multiple sellers. gotcha, I thought yours was for a buffer tube AND could fold, whereas this one was just for the buffer tube only (and that explained the price diff) |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:27:07 PM EDT
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It takes, 2 liters of vodka, a bastard file and a sledge hammer to fit the ar folder
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:45:53 PM EDT
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I'll just leave this here...
http://www.classicfirearms.com/long-guns/vepr12gashotgun-1 |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 9:57:50 PM EDT
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yeah, have a folding one on the way, but wanting to replace the current set up with either: (ideally) 1. a folding set-up that incorporates a mil-spec carbine tube (honorable mention) 2. an adapter that can accept a mil-spec carbine buffer tube Quote HistoryQuoted:
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vepr 12s are made as a folder the fixed stock ones were a kludge to get the first guns imported http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/rus/vepr-12-e.html yeah, have a folding one on the way, but wanting to replace the current set up with either: (ideally) 1. a folding set-up that incorporates a mil-spec carbine tube (honorable mention) 2. an adapter that can accept a mil-spec carbine buffer tube Sell the factory folder stock when you take it off on the Vepr forums for $300.It will sell quick |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:23:42 PM EDT
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Sell the factory folder stock when you take it off on the Vepr forums for $300.It will sell quick Quote HistoryQuoted:
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vepr 12s are made as a folder the fixed stock ones were a kludge to get the first guns imported http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/rus/vepr-12-e.html yeah, have a folding one on the way, but wanting to replace the current set up with either: (ideally) 1. a folding set-up that incorporates a mil-spec carbine tube (honorable mention) 2. an adapter that can accept a mil-spec carbine buffer tube Sell the factory folder stock when you take it off on the Vepr forums for $300.It will sell quick haha seriously? I guess they aren't floating around from the factory? damn 
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Posted: 7/24/2014 1:10:18 AM EDT
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haha seriously? I guess they aren't floating around from the factory? damn Quote HistoryQuoted:
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vepr 12s are made as a folder the fixed stock ones were a kludge to get the first guns imported http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/rus/vepr-12-e.html yeah, have a folding one on the way, but wanting to replace the current set up with either: (ideally) 1. a folding set-up that incorporates a mil-spec carbine tube (honorable mention) 2. an adapter that can accept a mil-spec carbine buffer tube Sell the factory folder stock when you take it off on the Vepr forums for $300.It will sell quick haha seriously? I guess they aren't floating around from the factory? damn Yes, guys will grab that assembly.Just make sure everything is there and dont scuff it up. Or try gunbroker, you might find a sucker that will pay more. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 10:26:27 AM EDT
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hell, even if I just got enough to buy the threaded folding adapter, I would be real happy
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Posted: 7/24/2014 10:42:09 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/24/2014 10:45:39 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/24/2014 1:11:14 PM EDT
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hell, even if I just got enough to buy the threaded folding adapter, I would be real happy send me a pm when your ready. 
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Posted: 7/24/2014 11:53:31 PM EDT
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send me a pm when your ready. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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hell, even if I just got enough to buy the threaded folding adapter, I would be real happy send me a pm when your ready. Give me til this next weekend |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 12:00:16 PM EDT
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I use the M4 adapter on my vepr 12. I got it from 4range.
It required a little fitting but can easily be done by anyone with hobby file and a minimal amount of patience, and the ability to recognize where something is interfering. The hardest part is getting the damn hinge pin out, its staked in. Hit from the bottom up. Make sure it is very well supported and hit it like you mean it. A couple good whacks is better than a bunch of light ones. 
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Posted: 7/25/2014 3:41:17 PM EDT
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I use the M4 adapter on my vepr 12. I got it from 4range. It required a little fitting but can easily be done by anyone with hobby file and a minimal amount of patience, and the ability to recognize where something is interfering. The hardest part is getting the damn hinge pin out, its staked in. Hit from the bottom up. Make sure it is very well supported and hit it like you mean it. A couple good whacks is better than a bunch of light ones. https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-HuzGE74u86o/U9J79GXYJTI/AAAAAAAAFtw/8MVHOJdiKQ8/w1162-h776-no/P1030240.JPG https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-E-938bbLde8/U9J79e8P3tI/AAAAAAAAFtI/LlYZyrawq0o/w1162-h776-no/P1030241.JPG https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-qCtic_1foUM/U9J7-zJf6bI/AAAAAAAAFtQ/AJnJp2AC6Yk/w1162-h776-no/P1030242.JPG Nice job, that looks great |
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Posted: 7/30/2014 11:00:53 PM EDT
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I will change fcg, piston puck, muzzle brake, pistol grip and handguard.
Then I will be 922r compliant and able to use factory mags and break the weld legally. Anyone familiar with the shotgun spread lasers? |
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Posted: 8/2/2014 12:38:41 PM EDT
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I will change fcg, piston puck, muzzle brake, pistol grip and handguard. Then I will be 922r compliant and able to use factory mags and break the weld legally. Anyone familiar with the shotgun spread lasers? Saw those on youtube, interesting. Little too expensive for me though.Im thing of adding a micro red dot to one of mine to try out. |
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Posted: 8/7/2014 5:05:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/7/2014 6:02:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThey can keep it, many of them are selling on gunbroker for $900-1000 |
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Posted: 8/7/2014 7:13:57 PM EDT
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OOS now.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 11:32:20 AM EDT
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Son of a bitch! I was just about to order a folder. Dudnt think they would go that fast.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 10:40:01 AM EDT
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Here it is in its 922r compliant transformation.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 9:57:05 PM EDT
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I picked one up from centerfire post sanction for $850. It was supposed to have a non folding stock, no mechanism. I got it now and it looks like all the rest I have seen. It has the little spring catch through the receiver on the left. It also wasn't supposed to have ambi-safety but it does. Did I luck out and get a welded folder ? Question is how can I tell exactly before I spend money on the usa parts. My tack weld looks like all the rest I have seen pictured.
Am I missing a lever to collapse and extend the stock is my worry. Or does that spring catch on the side open/close the stock? |
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Posted: 8/11/2014 10:18:45 PM EDT
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 move the catch forward, it then folds
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Posted: 8/13/2014 1:47:02 PM EDT
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So do these come with the equivalent of a cylinder or full choke? Safe to shoot all slugs through them?
And any recommendations on chokes? |
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Posted: 8/13/2014 2:03:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/13/2014 5:54:25 PM EDT
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Quote Historywas that supposed to go to a particular thread? |
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Posted: 8/13/2014 6:40:46 PM EDT
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I wanted a choke set-up that kept length and weight increases to an absolute minimum. Went with the choke adapter from AK Builder. Uses Winchokes, both flush and extended types. Works great.
Flush:  Extended:  |
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Posted: 8/13/2014 6:54:45 PM EDT
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I wanted a choke set-up that kept length and weight increases to an absolute minimum. Went with the choke adapter from AK Builder. Uses Winchokes, both flush and extended types. Works great. Flush: http://s20.postimg.org/qnlqdldod/Vepr_12_007.jpg Extended: http://s20.postimg.org/bjuyvr1x9/Vepr_12_021.jpg so you basically just add a muzzle device that accommodates chokes? Interdasting |
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Posted: 8/13/2014 7:02:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: so you basically just add a muzzle device that accommodates chokes? Interdasting It has internal threads at both ends. One end is threaded for the barrel, the other end is threaded for the chokes. Very compact. http://ak-builder.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=30105 |
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Posted: 8/13/2014 9:35:38 PM EDT
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so you basically just add a muzzle device that accommodates chokes? Interdasting Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wanted a choke set-up that kept length and weight increases to an absolute minimum. Went with the choke adapter from AK Builder. Uses Winchokes, both flush and extended types. Works great. Flush: http://s20.postimg.org/qnlqdldod/Vepr_12_007.jpg Extended: http://s20.postimg.org/bjuyvr1x9/Vepr_12_021.jpg so you basically just add a muzzle device that accommodates chokes? Interdasting I went with this same set up as recommended by Liquidmetal.Im using the full choke right now. The factory barrel is a cylinder choke, too much spread without a choke imho.Slugs etc can be used in the V12. Below is a pic of my V12's(top Vepr 12 in pic has break with choke insert) I got mine from CSS Choke break http://www.carolinashooterssupply.com/product_p/dph-choke.htm Locking nut(recommended) http://www.carolinashooterssupply.com/product_p/css-russian-locknut.htm 
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Posted: 8/13/2014 10:06:13 PM EDT
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My favorite "do it all" choke is Light Modified. I shoot birdshot, buckshot, and slugs through it. Very good all-around performance for the shooting and hunting I do.
I will occasionally run a modified or full choke when messing around with cheap birdshot while playing around, but for the vast majority of my shooting and hunting I have a Light Modified choke in my Vepr 12s. I never shoot my Vepr 12s un-choked anymore. No reason to. |
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Posted: 8/14/2014 12:26:14 AM EDT
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Im still trying to find a reasonably priced Light Modified choke.
My brake came with a full choke so im hoping to find a Light Modified to try out and most likely stick with that and use the full once in awhile Like said above, no choke is a waste. |
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Posted: 8/14/2014 8:45:43 AM EDT
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unchoked vepr makes birds tumble
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Posted: 8/14/2014 9:01:22 AM EDT
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So do these things kick that bad to justify these absurdly large muzzle brakes? I didn't know we were shoulder firing a Barret .50
Just the nature of the trend? You guys don't seem to obsess over them |
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Posted: 8/14/2014 9:21:00 AM EDT
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they are outfitted with the massive brake for timed shooting events
The Russians like the big molot shark brake that counters the left pull Mine is fine with a simple brake
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Posted: 8/14/2014 6:20:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So do these things kick that bad to justify these absurdly large muzzle brakes? I didn't know we were shoulder firing a Barret .50 Just the nature of the trend? You guys don't seem to obsess over them Muzzle brakes on shotguns are mildly effective at best. I tried the CSS clone of the Russian GK-01 and realized that muzzle brakes are of no real benefit to me. Others swear by them and that is fine, I'm just not one of them. |
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Posted: 8/14/2014 7:34:27 PM EDT
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The vepr 12 is a pussy cat recoil wise. Standard 1 oz slug loads had very mild recoil compared to my 870 slug gun. I was very surprised
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