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You're not crazy - Century has been hyping-up the fact that the C39v2 was designed to accept standard AKM furniture even though it uses a milled receiver. The problem is, at least with AKOU's test sample, that it doesn't actually take AKM furniture without some slight modification. Not a big deal if you're talking about a wooden lower handguard; quite a big deal if you're talking about your brand new aluminum ALFA rail. It would appear that Century's marketing and manufacturing arms aren't on speaking terms with one another. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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For some reason when the Century reps were saying that the c39v2 would take standard furniture I thought they meant stamp furniture. Guess they were talking about standard milled furniture. You're not crazy - Century has been hyping-up the fact that the C39v2 was designed to accept standard AKM furniture even though it uses a milled receiver. The problem is, at least with AKOU's test sample, that it doesn't actually take AKM furniture without some slight modification. Not a big deal if you're talking about a wooden lower handguard; quite a big deal if you're talking about your brand new aluminum ALFA rail. It would appear that Century's marketing and manufacturing arms aren't on speaking terms with one another. I believe what Century is referring to is that the previous C39 used the Polish style butt stock, where there are a top and bottom tang. The V2 uses the standard AKM buttstock as far as I know, it sounded like they opened it up to AKM spec over the milled spec. I think there was something screwy with the way the grip mounted too that they changed to being the standard T nut. |
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Thanks for The Input on the folding stock!
I am realy locking forward to see your Stock. Best reguards, Rob |
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I like it but I'm seeing key mod burn tattoos in someone's future. Like a Indiana jones bad guy. Lol.
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I like it but I'm seeing key mod burn tattoos in someone's future. Like a Indiana jones bad guy. Lol. View Quote That is a cute analogy, but It doesn't get hot. Rob Ski tested it with a digital IR thermometer on rapid fire- after 90 rounds the gas block was at 335 degrees F, and the ALFA RAIL was still completely cool to the touch- just to prove it he touched his tongue to it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98HVakmRPrA&feature=youtu.be |
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I believe what Century is referring to is that the previous C39 used the Polish style butt stock, where there are a top and bottom tang. The V2 uses the standard AKM buttstock as far as I know, it sounded like they opened it up to AKM spec over the milled spec. I think there was something screwy with the way the grip mounted too that they changed to being the standard T nut. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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For some reason when the Century reps were saying that the c39v2 would take standard furniture I thought they meant stamp furniture. Guess they were talking about standard milled furniture. You're not crazy - Century has been hyping-up the fact that the C39v2 was designed to accept standard AKM furniture even though it uses a milled receiver. The problem is, at least with AKOU's test sample, that it doesn't actually take AKM furniture without some slight modification. Not a big deal if you're talking about a wooden lower handguard; quite a big deal if you're talking about your brand new aluminum ALFA rail. It would appear that Century's marketing and manufacturing arms aren't on speaking terms with one another. I believe what Century is referring to is that the previous C39 used the Polish style butt stock, where there are a top and bottom tang. The V2 uses the standard AKM buttstock as far as I know, it sounded like they opened it up to AKM spec over the milled spec. I think there was something screwy with the way the grip mounted too that they changed to being the standard T nut. No, they specifically say "furniture": AKM furniture compatible [youtube]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GxkK-KsIAWk[/youtube]. (Yeager warning) AKOU's rifle wasn't too far off the standard - but neither the lower handguard nor the gas tube were direct drop-ins. |
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Hey! ??
When will we see pix of The long rail? And what will be special on the Alfa folding stock Compared to the other Adapters on the market? Thank you. Rob |
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No pictures yet of either one- the stock adapter is already in production, but we are going to hold off on pictures as there is some patent pending paperwork in the mix on that one.
Extended forend is designed, and goes into the production que in the next week or two. Also don't want to show pictures just yet until we are a little closer to release. Just imagine the ALFA rail, only, well, longer. Like a Boogie Nights version of the ALFA rail. Sven Manticore Arms |
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...and ALFA rail Superlow Picatinny Top Covers should be available next monday. Just doing a final test or two before we release them for sale.
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any hint at what month we could possibly expect milled? I wouldnt want to buy something else, like magpul, in april then this comes out in may. Then again, I dont want to wait until september or something to change out my handguard.
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any hint at what month we could possibly expect milled? I wouldnt want to buy something else, like magpul, in april then this comes out in may. Then again, I dont want to wait until september or something to change out my handguard. View Quote Century is sending us a sample C39V2 in the next week or two. Once we have it in hand we can get exact measurements, then send it to production. Production usually takes 8-12 weeks depending on how busy things are. |
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Century is sending us a sample C39V2 in the next week or two. Once we have it in hand we can get exact measurements, then send it to production. Production usually takes 8-12 weeks depending on how busy things are. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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any hint at what month we could possibly expect milled? I wouldnt want to buy something else, like magpul, in april then this comes out in may. Then again, I dont want to wait until september or something to change out my handguard. Century is sending us a sample C39V2 in the next week or two. Once we have it in hand we can get exact measurements, then send it to production. Production usually takes 8-12 weeks depending on how busy things are. awesome, thanks |
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No pictures yet of either one- the stock adapter is already in production, but we are going to hold off on pictures as there is some patent pending paperwork in the mix on that one. Extended forend is designed, and goes into the production que in the next week or two. Also don't want to show pictures just yet until we are a little closer to release. Just imagine the ALFA rail, only, well, longer. Like a Boogie Nights version of the ALFA rail. Sven Manticore Arms View Quote The extended forend is only the bottom section right? If so, any idea when both the top and bottom section will be out? |
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Are these the gas tube rails or actual railed receiver top covers? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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...and ALFA rail Superlow Picatinny Top Covers should be available next monday. Just doing a final test or two before we release them for sale. Are these the gas tube rails or actual railed receiver top covers? Gas tube top covers. Top covers for over the bolt carrier are quite a ways out, still a lot of design work to do on those.... |
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Gas tube top covers. Top covers for over the bolt carrier are quite a ways out, still a lot of design work to do on those.... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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...and ALFA rail Superlow Picatinny Top Covers should be available next monday. Just doing a final test or two before we release them for sale. Are these the gas tube rails or actual railed receiver top covers? Gas tube top covers. Top covers for over the bolt carrier are quite a ways out, still a lot of design work to do on those.... Roger, thanks. |
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No, not yet. Still waiting on the sample gun, and working on a lot of other stuff in the meantime. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Is my milled set ready yet ?!?! :) No, not yet. Still waiting on the sample gun, and working on a lot of other stuff in the meantime. How about an extended lower handguard for Veprs, with an integrated lower handguard retainer? Nice turnkey solution for Vepr owners wanting to go to a more conventional handguard set-up but with all the tacti-coolness and accessory mounting options your metal guards offer. |
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This the version for 107CR's?
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No pictures yet of either one- the stock adapter is already in production, but we are going to hold off on pictures as there is some patent pending paperwork in the mix on that one. Extended forend is designed, and goes into the production que in the next week or two. Also don't want to show pictures just yet until we are a little closer to release. Just imagine the ALFA rail, only, well, longer. Like a Boogie Nights version of the ALFA rail. Sven Manticore Arms View Quote |
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This the version for 107CR's? Quoted:
No pictures yet of either one- the stock adapter is already in production, but we are going to hold off on pictures as there is some patent pending paperwork in the mix on that one. Extended forend is designed, and goes into the production que in the next week or two. Also don't want to show pictures just yet until we are a little closer to release. Just imagine the ALFA rail, only, well, longer. Like a Boogie Nights version of the ALFA rail. Sven Manticore Arms Yes it will work on a CR with a slightly different top cover which we are also making. |
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No, not yet. Still waiting on the sample gun, and working on a lot of other stuff in the meantime. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Is my milled set ready yet ?!?! :) No, not yet. Still waiting on the sample gun, and working on a lot of other stuff in the meantime. You need a milled gun to use as a sample? I've got an SLR101R you can borrow. Seriously. |
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Yea I think a real imported Milled rifle should be used to make the handguard to make sure its the right specs, not a Century, who makes absolutely nothing right
ETA: PLEASE use a "real" milled AK (IE Bulgarian, etc) when you make the milled lower alpha rail. Accordng to Rob Ski / AK operators Union Milled Century C39 v2 rifles, for example, can use Rifle Dynamics adapters which are designed for stamped that NO other milled AK can use, so something is off there big time |
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ALFA rails in ARC LOK are coming off the mill, for all those who don't like Keymod. <a href="http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Dawg180/media/ma-11280%20arc%20lok.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Dawg180/ma-11280%20arc%20lok.jpg</a> View Quote Once again I say : about that Vepr handguard....... |
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ALFA rails in ARC LOK are coming off the mill, for all those who don't like Keymod. <a href="http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Dawg180/media/ma-11280%20arc%20lok.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Dawg180/ma-11280%20arc%20lok.jpg</a> View Quote That's sharp looking! Dumb question....Is ARC LOK compatible with M-Lok? Or are the two completely separate systems? |
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That's sharp looking! Dumb question....Is ARC LOK compatible with M-Lok? Or are the two completely separate systems? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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ALFA rails in ARC LOK are coming off the mill, for all those who don't like Keymod. <a href="http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Dawg180/media/ma-11280%20arc%20lok.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Dawg180/ma-11280%20arc%20lok.jpg</a> That's sharp looking! Dumb question....Is ARC LOK compatible with M-Lok? Or are the two completely separate systems? They are separate systems (we actually came out with ARC LOK before Magpul launched M-Lok) ARC LOK works with our ARC LOK aluminum rail segments and actually with the original Magplul polymer MOE rail segments. Most MOE accessories will fit to either directly or with very minor modification (and can still be used on MOE after minor modification) We actually launched ARC LOK and two weeks later Magpul announced M-LOK and that they were doing it to supercede MOE accesories. Oh well. (we also could get into a whole other issue of how Magpul isn't backwards compatible with their own MOE products, yet ARC LOK is! ) |
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Quoted: They are separate systems (we actually came out with ARC LOK before Magpul launched M-Lok) ARC LOK works with our ARC LOK aluminum rail segments and actually with the original Magplul polymer MOE rail segments. Most MOE accessories will fit to either directly or with very minor modification (and can still be used on MOE after minor modification) We actually launched ARC LOK and two weeks later Magpul announced M-LOK and that they were doing it to supercede MOE accesories. Oh well. (we also could get into a whole other issue of how Magpul isn't backwards compatible with their own MOE products, yet ARC LOK is! ) View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: ALFA rails in ARC LOK are coming off the mill, for all those who don't like Keymod. <a href="http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Dawg180/media/ma-11280%20arc%20lok.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Dawg180/ma-11280%20arc%20lok.jpg</a> That's sharp looking! Dumb question....Is ARC LOK compatible with M-Lok? Or are the two completely separate systems? They are separate systems (we actually came out with ARC LOK before Magpul launched M-Lok) ARC LOK works with our ARC LOK aluminum rail segments and actually with the original Magplul polymer MOE rail segments. Most MOE accessories will fit to either directly or with very minor modification (and can still be used on MOE after minor modification) We actually launched ARC LOK and two weeks later Magpul announced M-LOK and that they were doing it to supercede MOE accesories. Oh well. (we also could get into a whole other issue of how Magpul isn't backwards compatible with their own MOE products, yet ARC LOK is! ) |
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Magpul plans obsolescence into their products on purpose to generate sales. And they will probably sue you guys if you don't patent ARC LOK before they patent MLOK. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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ALFA rails in ARC LOK are coming off the mill, for all those who don't like Keymod. <a href="http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Dawg180/media/ma-11280%20arc%20lok.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Dawg180/ma-11280%20arc%20lok.jpg</a> That's sharp looking! Dumb question....Is ARC LOK compatible with M-Lok? Or are the two completely separate systems? They are separate systems (we actually came out with ARC LOK before Magpul launched M-Lok) ARC LOK works with our ARC LOK aluminum rail segments and actually with the original Magplul polymer MOE rail segments. Most MOE accessories will fit to either directly or with very minor modification (and can still be used on MOE after minor modification) We actually launched ARC LOK and two weeks later Magpul announced M-LOK and that they were doing it to supercede MOE accesories. Oh well. (we also could get into a whole other issue of how Magpul isn't backwards compatible with their own MOE products, yet ARC LOK is! ) That's an extremely unfounded comment. MLok is open source, and in fact is only patented to protect the integrity of the system across whatever brands (for free) decide to implement it. Other than MOE slots (which still have plenty of support), I can't think of a single Magpul product that is now even close to "obsolete," so can we get back on topic of Sven's awesome forend? |
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Magpul plans obsolescence into their products on purpose to generate sales. And they will probably sue you guys if you don't patent ARC LOK before they patent MLOK. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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ALFA rails in ARC LOK are coming off the mill, for all those who don't like Keymod. <a href="http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Dawg180/media/ma-11280%20arc%20lok.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Dawg180/ma-11280%20arc%20lok.jpg</a> That's sharp looking! Dumb question....Is ARC LOK compatible with M-Lok? Or are the two completely separate systems? They are separate systems (we actually came out with ARC LOK before Magpul launched M-Lok) ARC LOK works with our ARC LOK aluminum rail segments and actually with the original Magplul polymer MOE rail segments. Most MOE accessories will fit to either directly or with very minor modification (and can still be used on MOE after minor modification) We actually launched ARC LOK and two weeks later Magpul announced M-LOK and that they were doing it to supercede MOE accesories. Oh well. (we also could get into a whole other issue of how Magpul isn't backwards compatible with their own MOE products, yet ARC LOK is! ) The patent issue did in fact come up, but not how you are envisioning: We had indeed file patent paperwork for ARC LOK before they filed patent paperwork for M-LOK, and in point of fact, Drake Clark from Magpul personally called me when they saw the launch of ARC LOK to make sure they weren't stepping on our toes or infringing on OUR patent with their M-LOK system. We could have taken them to court, and there is a good chance we could have won, but I did not see a purpose to doing so. Instead of getting into a stupid court battle over it that we decided to simply have a gentleman's agreement not to worry about it. We are both design companies, and we respect each others design work. It just happens we came up with a very similar concept at about the same time to improve on Keymod both in secret. No harm, no foul, no lawyers involved and consumers win. Was it disappointing to see that they came out with a system that in concept is basically the same as what we do? Sure it is- they started in 1999 and we started in 2010, and that gives them 10 years of growth and marketing power on us. If roles were reversed you would most likely be hearing all about ARC LOK in the press and on the store shelves instead of M-LOK. No biggie though, ARC LOK is still very successful, and the smaller slot length has proven out to be a bit of an advantage over M-LOK when it comes to more compact handguards. In the meantime, we have not rested on our laurels, and have plenty more new and interesting stuff in the works. So the world of designing new and interesting gun parts goes. |
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That's an extremely unfounded comment. MLok is open source, and in fact is only patented to protect the integrity of the system across whatever brands (for free) decide to implement it. Other than MOE slots (which still have plenty of support), I can't think of a single Magpul product that is now even close to "obsolete," so can we get back on topic of Sven's awesome forend? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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ALFA rails in ARC LOK are coming off the mill, for all those who don't like Keymod. <a href="http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Dawg180/media/ma-11280%20arc%20lok.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Dawg180/ma-11280%20arc%20lok.jpg</a> That's sharp looking! Dumb question....Is ARC LOK compatible with M-Lok? Or are the two completely separate systems? They are separate systems (we actually came out with ARC LOK before Magpul launched M-Lok) ARC LOK works with our ARC LOK aluminum rail segments and actually with the original Magplul polymer MOE rail segments. Most MOE accessories will fit to either directly or with very minor modification (and can still be used on MOE after minor modification) We actually launched ARC LOK and two weeks later Magpul announced M-LOK and that they were doing it to supercede MOE accesories. Oh well. (we also could get into a whole other issue of how Magpul isn't backwards compatible with their own MOE products, yet ARC LOK is! ) That's an extremely unfounded comment. MLok is open source, and in fact is only patented to protect the integrity of the system across whatever brands (for free) decide to implement it. Other than MOE slots (which still have plenty of support), I can't think of a single Magpul product that is now even close to "obsolete," so can we get back on topic of Sven's awesome forend? MOE attachment products are not attachable to M-LOK slots, at least not without a bulky and expensive adapter. |
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NM all of this was covered, from the Swede's mouth as it were
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My point was simply that there has never been evidence of Magpul planning obsolescence - the only example of something not being supported anymore is MOE slots, because they have a product improved system, which they opened to the industry. As for saying there is still plenty of MOE slot support, what I mean is there are so many MOE and IWC components in circulation that if you still want to use your existing MOE handguards, there are plenty of mounting options available. If I were to use an ARC LOK forend today, I would have no issue digging into parts boxes for a pile of existing MOE accessories, plus what you have to offer through Manticore now and in the future. There is also no reason to believe they would ever bring litigation over ARC LOK - I find that statement (why I highlighted it in red) the one that was an unwarranted attack on Magpul. Magpul didn't know Sven was working on ARC LOK anymore than Sven knew Magpul was working on M Lok - when smart people are pushing things forward, sometimes this sort of thing happens, but while the systems are somewhat similar, I highly doubt there is anything there that would cause either part to bring litigation against the other. Plus I wanted to get back on topic : Manticore's AK forend View Quote +1 to all of that! And yeah, back to ALFA rails and such. |
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Just curious here, this is a serious question as I do not know.
What is the purpose of so many different shaped mounting systems. If keymod holds things in place perfectly fine, why is there ARC loks and M-loks? Do they actually do something keymod does not? I can understand getting rid of 1913 "qiad" rails and going to a mounting system like keymod / arc lok / m-lok so things are smooth where you dont need rails, but I am confused what the difference between the three is |
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Just curious here, this is a serious question as I do not know. What is the purpose of so many different shaped mounting systems. If keymod holds things in place perfectly fine, why is there ARC loks and M-loks? Do they actually do something keymod does not? I can understand getting rid of 1913 "qiad" rails and going to a mounting system like keymod / arc lok / m-lok so things are smooth where you dont need rails, but I am confused what the difference between the three is View Quote Keymod is very expensive to machine, and requires custom tooling, and expensive fasteners. The slots are also not terribly good from an ergonomic and gripping standpoint, the material is thinned out from the back chamfer where it is actually engaging the material of the forend, and to boot, it is really hard to mold Keymod onto a surface, and molded Keymod does not stand up well to abuse. ARC LOK fixes all of this- the slots are very simple to machine and mold, there is no thinning or features on the backside of the surface so you get the full thickness of the forend material to bear on, and the locking tabs are considerably easier and less expensive to manufacture. The slots are also more ergonomic then a keyhole shaped hole (no corners to catch on). M-LOK is similar to ARC LOK in the same fashion, and as was mentioned before, both ARC LOK and M-LOK were developed in secret more or less concurrently with ARC LOK coming out and being patented first. |
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About that Vepr handguard.......lots of Vepr owners out here Sven.....and I have a couple ideas you should hear. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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+1 to all of that! And yeah, back to ALFA rails and such. About that Vepr handguard.......lots of Vepr owners out here Sven.....and I have a couple ideas you should hear. Shoot me an email to info@manticorearms if you have some ideas. Sven Manticore Arms |
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hmmm.......well then when you guys do make the milled alpha, skip the keymod and go straight to the arc lok!
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Will do! While i'm at it, I PM'ed Tyler the other day about that prototype M92 he posted that has your handguards on it, I don't like folding stocks, so was thinking a fixed triangle stock like you guys have would be perfect on that rifle, it's already got the handguards and you guys have a working relationship, so could you put a bug in his ear when you have time and tell him what an extraordinarily good idea this is? Was thinking a shim of some type would be good too, to correct that slight downward slant the M92 has, bonus: machine it a little thick so as to be able to make an integral sling loop sticking out the side, pretty much like an AR lockplate that has this type of attachment. They work great if you run a single point sling especially. ETA: well the ideas I had for a Vepr HG aren't complex at all so this is a good place to jot them down and maybe others might chime in with what they think. Vepr handguard: My first thought was yes, make one that attaches to the factory location with it's odd-sized screw, and that has some merit, but maybe even better would be to make one with an integrated front handguard retainer, the aftermarket ones for Vepr are just clamps basically, whether two piece or one piece, seems simple enough. And this also frees up the possibilities with regards to length, I mention this because I am a fan of longer handguards anyway, the standard AK's length is just too short for me. I like how the Yugo's have an inch longer handguards, they look better to me too, more evenly proportioned than short handguards and lots of barrel sticking out. More room too for accessories to be mounted via keymod etc. So a Yugo length lower with integrated retainer, be nice if someone would make a Yugo-type gas tube cut to AKM standard length, but it's easy as hell to DIY, there's only a half inch of metal on the front that needs to come off and then re-flare, and a tiny amount of work on the rear lug to fit the Vepr trunnion. Here's what the Vepr looks like with modified gas tube/handguard, the lower is a factory piece I cut back to just in front of the mounting block, you can kind of look and see where a yugo-length lower would go to by looking at where the top guard ends. http://oi59.tinypic.com/dwyhvq.jpg http://oi60.tinypic.com/erk7ep.jpg http://oi59.tinypic.com/2mfki69.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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+1 to all of that! And yeah, back to ALFA rails and such. About that Vepr handguard.......lots of Vepr owners out here Sven.....and I have a couple ideas you should hear. Shoot me an email to info@manticorearms if you have some ideas. Sven Manticore Arms Will do! While i'm at it, I PM'ed Tyler the other day about that prototype M92 he posted that has your handguards on it, I don't like folding stocks, so was thinking a fixed triangle stock like you guys have would be perfect on that rifle, it's already got the handguards and you guys have a working relationship, so could you put a bug in his ear when you have time and tell him what an extraordinarily good idea this is? Was thinking a shim of some type would be good too, to correct that slight downward slant the M92 has, bonus: machine it a little thick so as to be able to make an integral sling loop sticking out the side, pretty much like an AR lockplate that has this type of attachment. They work great if you run a single point sling especially. ETA: well the ideas I had for a Vepr HG aren't complex at all so this is a good place to jot them down and maybe others might chime in with what they think. Vepr handguard: My first thought was yes, make one that attaches to the factory location with it's odd-sized screw, and that has some merit, but maybe even better would be to make one with an integrated front handguard retainer, the aftermarket ones for Vepr are just clamps basically, whether two piece or one piece, seems simple enough. And this also frees up the possibilities with regards to length, I mention this because I am a fan of longer handguards anyway, the standard AK's length is just too short for me. I like how the Yugo's have an inch longer handguards, they look better to me too, more evenly proportioned than short handguards and lots of barrel sticking out. More room too for accessories to be mounted via keymod etc. So a Yugo length lower with integrated retainer, be nice if someone would make a Yugo-type gas tube cut to AKM standard length, but it's easy as hell to DIY, there's only a half inch of metal on the front that needs to come off and then re-flare, and a tiny amount of work on the rear lug to fit the Vepr trunnion. Here's what the Vepr looks like with modified gas tube/handguard, the lower is a factory piece I cut back to just in front of the mounting block, you can kind of look and see where a yugo-length lower would go to by looking at where the top guard ends. http://oi59.tinypic.com/dwyhvq.jpg http://oi60.tinypic.com/erk7ep.jpg http://oi59.tinypic.com/2mfki69.jpg Interesting....I like the look and length of that lower, will definitely keep it in mind! |
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Quoted: That's an extremely unfounded comment. MLok is open source, and in fact is only patented to protect the integrity of the system across whatever brands (for free) decide to implement it. Other than MOE slots (which still have plenty of support), I can't think of a single Magpul product that is now even close to "obsolete," so can we get back on topic of Sven's awesome forend? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: ALFA rails in ARC LOK are coming off the mill, for all those who don't like Keymod. <a href="http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Dawg180/media/ma-11280%20arc%20lok.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Dawg180/ma-11280%20arc%20lok.jpg</a> That's sharp looking! Dumb question....Is ARC LOK compatible with M-Lok? Or are the two completely separate systems? They are separate systems (we actually came out with ARC LOK before Magpul launched M-Lok) ARC LOK works with our ARC LOK aluminum rail segments and actually with the original Magplul polymer MOE rail segments. Most MOE accessories will fit to either directly or with very minor modification (and can still be used on MOE after minor modification) We actually launched ARC LOK and two weeks later Magpul announced M-LOK and that they were doing it to supercede MOE accesories. Oh well. (we also could get into a whole other issue of how Magpul isn't backwards compatible with their own MOE products, yet ARC LOK is! ) That's an extremely unfounded comment. MLok is open source, and in fact is only patented to protect the integrity of the system across whatever brands (for free) decide to implement it. Other than MOE slots (which still have plenty of support), I can't think of a single Magpul product that is now even close to "obsolete," so can we get back on topic of Sven's awesome forend? Magpul also sued ETS for having a front and rear leg on their magazine followers. Do some research before making unfounded comments You can bet Magpul would have sued Manticore if the MLOK patent would have been filed first, that's how they do business. Awesome handguard Sven. If you make them in Krink or M92 PAP pattern I'll buy a couple. I do think the keymod looks nicer on shorter handguards but I'm not that picky. Keep up the good work! |
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