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Posted: 11/22/2014 2:42:19 PM EDT

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Vepr 308 does not take standard lower handguards unless you purchase a two-piece lower handguard retainer, but several vendors make them and they aren't too terribly high-priced. It will take a standard upper, though you might have to make some small mods/adjustments. My x39 Vepr required some mods to a Yugo upper to fit right in the receiver end, but my SA-85 tube drops right in.

Posted: 11/22/2014 5:15:55 PM EDT

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Liking the arc lok version. How does the top hand guard mount?

Top handguard is attached to the lower handguard by six screws with mount through the chamfered holes on the top edge of the lower handguard.

The top hanguard completely free floats from the gas tube- it makes no contact at all.

i thought these were going to use some type of ak retainer spring.

Nope.

Lower handguard is mount rock solid on the gun, upper handguard mounts to lower handguard.

bummer.

Are you saying bummer because we aren't going to use a spring, which does not guarantee repeatable installation or a solid mounting?

I would beg to differ, springs are the worst solution. Solid fastening and mounting is where it is at.

Posted: 11/25/2014 5:33:25 PM EDT

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theres gotta be a pic of one of these finished!

I bought a new dremel the other day just to make this handguard work on my gun

Posted: 11/25/2014 5:45:34 PM EDT

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Man Card. You just renewed yours.

Posted: 11/25/2014 5:52:34 PM EDT

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eta on ARCLOC version?

Posted: 11/25/2014 6:12:43 PM EDT

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First quarter 2015.

Posted: 11/25/2014 8:27:01 PM EDT

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I like it, but I think you need a matching gas tube

Posted: 11/25/2014 11:46:18 PM EDT

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We already have an upper handguard in production to go with it:

(Yes, that Aimpoint Micro is indeed co-witnessed with the iron sights!)

Posted: 11/25/2014 11:51:48 PM EDT

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We already have an upper handguard in production to go with it:

(Yes, that Aimpoint Micro is indeed co-witnessed with the iron sights!)

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Dawg180/KeymodlowerWEB2.jpg

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I like it, but I think you need a matching gas tube

We already have an upper handguard in production to go with it:

(Yes, that Aimpoint Micro is indeed co-witnessed with the iron sights!)

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Dawg180/KeymodlowerWEB2.jpg

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Dawg180/ma-11285web2.jpg

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I'm a wood forend tradional guy, but that co-witness handguard is very nice. (but you know that)

Posted: 11/26/2014 3:35:26 AM EDT

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We already have an upper handguard in production to go with it:

(Yes, that Aimpoint Micro is indeed co-witnessed with the iron sights!)

<a href="http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Dawg180/media/KeymodlowerWEB2.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Dawg180/KeymodlowerWEB2.jpg</a>

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I like it, but I think you need a matching gas tube

We already have an upper handguard in production to go with it:

(Yes, that Aimpoint Micro is indeed co-witnessed with the iron sights!)

<a href="http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Dawg180/media/KeymodlowerWEB2.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Dawg180/KeymodlowerWEB2.jpg</a>

<a href="http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Dawg180/media/ma-11285web2.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Dawg180/ma-11285web2.jpg</a>

<a href="http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Dawg180/media/MA-11285web1.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Dawg180/MA-11285web1.jpg</a>

The lines from the rifle flow into rail nearly seamlessly. That is impressive work guys.

Posted: 11/26/2014 9:41:38 AM EDT

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woke up this morning "in the mood"......girlfriend was not up yet, so I went on the computer for a lil bit......saw more pics of this HG and now im good, dont need her anymore

Posted: 11/26/2014 5:27:18 PM EDT

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Posted: 11/26/2014 6:01:54 PM EDT

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Are you saying bummer because we aren't going to use a spring, which does not guarantee repeatable installation or a solid mounting?

I would beg to differ, springs are the worst solution. Solid fastening and mounting is where it is at.

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i was hoping for an upper hand guard that i wouldn't have to unscrew loctited bolts in order to remove the gas tube. no worries though as i don't really care for forward-mounted optics so i'd just use a polymer upper hand guard.

Posted: 11/26/2014 8:46:52 PM EDT

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We already have an upper handguard in production to go with it:

(Yes, that Aimpoint Micro is indeed co-witnessed with the iron sights!)

<a href="http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Dawg180/media/KeymodlowerWEB2.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Dawg180/KeymodlowerWEB2.jpg</a>

<a href="http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Dawg180/media/ma-11285web2.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Dawg180/ma-11285web2.jpg</a>

<a href="http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Dawg180/media/MA-11285web1.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Dawg180/MA-11285web1.jpg</a>

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It's hard to hate that!

Posted: 11/26/2014 11:49:50 PM EDT

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I was just thinking, will there be any extended handguards and gas tube rails like the ones zenit offers?

Posted: 11/27/2014 12:06:36 AM EDT

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In the works.

Posted: 11/27/2014 12:45:15 AM EDT

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That looks great!

Posted: 11/27/2014 11:00:51 AM EDT

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I was just thinking, will there be any extended handguards and gas tube rails like the ones zenit offers?

In the works.

Now you have my attention

Posted: 11/27/2014 11:14:42 AM EDT

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slick looking system. Wish the gas tube could be used by itself though, but if wishes were horse.....

Still, it looks great, and the price point is excellent too.

Posted: 11/27/2014 11:16:08 AM EDT

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slick looking system. Wish the gas tube could be used by itself though, but if wishes were horse.....

Still, it looks great, and the price point is excellent too.

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I think when you see the actual MSRP you will be (happily) stunned

Posted: 11/27/2014 11:17:32 AM EDT

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The lines from the rifle flow into rail nearly seamlessly. That is impressive work guys.

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I like it, but I think you need a matching gas tube

We already have an upper handguard in production to go with it:

(Yes, that Aimpoint Micro is indeed co-witnessed with the iron sights!)

<a href="http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Dawg180/media/KeymodlowerWEB2.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Dawg180/KeymodlowerWEB2.jpg</a>

<a href="http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Dawg180/media/ma-11285web2.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Dawg180/ma-11285web2.jpg</a>

<a href="http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Dawg180/media/MA-11285web1.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Dawg180/MA-11285web1.jpg</a>

The lines from the rifle flow into rail nearly seamlessly. That is impressive work guys.

Thanks!

We went through 6 revisions to get it just right, it did take a while to get it that sexy.

Posted: 11/27/2014 11:30:49 AM EDT

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when can we buy?

Posted: 11/27/2014 12:42:17 PM EDT

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I want a bunch....

Posted: 11/27/2014 1:06:28 PM EDT

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Should have the first ones up for sale by mid December.

Posted: 11/28/2014 9:51:34 AM EDT

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M92 version pretty please.

Great job on this. You guys are very good at hitting that mark of what people are actually looking for.

Posted: 11/28/2014 4:44:23 PM EDT

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i was hoping for an upper hand guard that i wouldn't have to unscrew loctited bolts in order to remove the gas tube. no worries though as i don't really care for forward-mounted optics so i'd just use a polymer upper hand guard.

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Are you saying bummer because we aren't going to use a spring, which does not guarantee repeatable installation or a solid mounting?

I would beg to differ, springs are the worst solution. Solid fastening and mounting is where it is at.

i was hoping for an upper hand guard that i wouldn't have to unscrew loctited bolts in order to remove the gas tube. no worries though as i don't really care for forward-mounted optics so i'd just use a polymer upper hand guard.

I would think adding the attachment point from upper to lower, greatly improves the stability of the upper, thus helping it to hold zero if you mounted an optic. But i'm with you, not really interested in a forward mounted optic.

Have been musing on the idea though of using that space for one of the green laser designators that seem to be gaining a lot of traction, wondering if anyone has tried one on an AK yet?

Posted: 11/28/2014 6:12:11 PM EDT

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Ok i generally don't like keymod (have one rail on my 300BO AR and i don't like the system) but damn that thing looks sexy!

Posted: 11/28/2014 7:53:41 PM EDT

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I would think adding the attachment point from upper to lower, greatly improves the stability of the upper, thus helping it to hold zero if you mounted an optic. But i'm with you, not really interested in a forward mounted optic.

Have been musing on the idea though of using that space for one of the green laser designators that seem to be gaining a lot of traction, wondering if anyone has tried one on an AK yet?

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Are you saying bummer because we aren't going to use a spring, which does not guarantee repeatable installation or a solid mounting?

I would beg to differ, springs are the worst solution. Solid fastening and mounting is where it is at.

i was hoping for an upper hand guard that i wouldn't have to unscrew loctited bolts in order to remove the gas tube. no worries though as i don't really care for forward-mounted optics so i'd just use a polymer upper hand guard.

I would think adding the attachment point from upper to lower, greatly improves the stability of the upper, thus helping it to hold zero if you mounted an optic. But i'm with you, not really interested in a forward mounted optic.

Have been musing on the idea though of using that space for one of the green laser designators that seem to be gaining a lot of traction, wondering if anyone has tried one on an AK yet?

I haven't mounted it on an AK, but I run a long range training company and can tell you these are awesome. We shoot to 1000Y with them all the time in full darkness. Ours is set up on a vortex spotty where it co-witnesses with the glass. We have the large one (NDS-5?) but I had the smaller one shined at me one time and it was literally impossible to look in that direction.

In my experience with them, there's a good use case here.

Posted: 11/28/2014 8:06:50 PM EDT

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I haven't mounted it on an AK, but I run a long range training company and can tell you these are awesome. We shoot to 1000Y with them all the time in full darkness. Ours is set up on a vortex spotty where it co-witnesses with the glass. We have the large one (NDS-5?) but I had the smaller one shined at me one time and it was literally impossible to look in that direction.

In my experience with them, there's a good use case here.

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Are you saying bummer because we aren't going to use a spring, which does not guarantee repeatable installation or a solid mounting?

I would beg to differ, springs are the worst solution. Solid fastening and mounting is where it is at.

i was hoping for an upper hand guard that i wouldn't have to unscrew loctited bolts in order to remove the gas tube. no worries though as i don't really care for forward-mounted optics so i'd just use a polymer upper hand guard.

I would think adding the attachment point from upper to lower, greatly improves the stability of the upper, thus helping it to hold zero if you mounted an optic. But i'm with you, not really interested in a forward mounted optic.

Have been musing on the idea though of using that space for one of the green laser designators that seem to be gaining a lot of traction, wondering if anyone has tried one on an AK yet?

I haven't mounted it on an AK, but I run a long range training company and can tell you these are awesome. We shoot to 1000Y with them all the time in full darkness. Ours is set up on a vortex spotty where it co-witnesses with the glass. We have the large one (NDS-5?) but I had the smaller one shined at me one time and it was literally impossible to look in that direction.

In my experience with them, there's a good use case here.

Thanks for the info! Was thinking about night-hunting for hogs out to a couple hundred yards, mount the designator forward and low on the handguard Manticore showed earlier in the thread, and a long-eye-relief scope on a rail mount set just a little higher. I have a couple of shotgun scopes that are fairly compact that work nicely on the full length Attero rail mount.

Posted: 11/28/2014 8:24:12 PM EDT

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First quarter 2015.

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eta on ARCLOC version?

First quarter 2015.

got a pic of either version lower with standard upper HG/tube?

Posted: 11/29/2014 12:28:59 AM EDT

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eta on ARCLOC version?

First quarter 2015.

got a pic of either version lower with standard upper HG/tube?

Here you go:

Posted: 11/29/2014 2:12:59 PM EDT

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WOW, I'm late to the party but this is huge. ARClok, cleaning rod compatibility, no barrel clamps, Micro RDS cowitness, and dust cover extension; this thing is perfect! Also, thanks for making something that doesn't butcher the classic lines of the AK or try to turn it into an AR. I will be buying.

Posted: 11/29/2014 4:35:30 PM EDT

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You got a pic of the M-LOK version

Posted: 11/29/2014 4:38:36 PM EDT

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WOW, I'm late to the party but this is huge. ARClok, cleaning rod compatibility, no barrel clamps, Micro RDS cowitness, and dust cover extension; this thing is perfect! Also, thanks for making something that doesn't butcher the classic lines of the AK or try to turn it into an AR. I will be buying.

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Giving a hearty +1 to this post!

Pretty happy with my current set-ups on the AK's I have now, may have to buy another one so I can use this handguard set on it.

Posted: 11/29/2014 4:59:57 PM EDT

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Here you go:

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eta on ARCLOC version?

First quarter 2015.

got a pic of either version lower with standard upper HG/tube?

Here you go:

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perfect.

going to buy the arcloc version when released

Posted: 11/30/2014 1:31:27 PM EDT

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Not anything I want to show- we are trying to find a way to make M-LOK slots look less comically huge and stupid on our product.

They look ridiculous on short handguards, it seems when the M-LOK slots were designed, the thought process was based around the current trend for long handgaurds and forends.

Posted: 11/30/2014 1:49:44 PM EDT

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Not anything I want to show- we are trying to find a way to make M-LOK slots look less comically huge and stupid on our product.

They look ridiculous on short handguards, it seems when the M-LOK slots were designed, the thought process was based around the current trend for long handgaurds and forends.

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You got a pic of the M-LOK version

Not anything I want to show- we are trying to find a way to make M-LOK slots look less comically huge and stupid on our product.

They look ridiculous on short handguards, it seems when the M-LOK slots were designed, the thought process was based around the current trend for long handgaurds and forends.

Aren't they supposed to be releasing the specs for a shorter version soon?

Posted: 11/30/2014 8:13:10 PM EDT

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You got a pic of the M-LOK version

Not anything I want to show- we are trying to find a way to make M-LOK slots look less comically huge and stupid on our product.

They look ridiculous on short handguards, it seems when the M-LOK slots were designed, the thought process was based around the current trend for long handgaurds and forends.

Aren't they supposed to be releasing the specs for a shorter version soon?

News to me if they are- they have not released a new TDP yet.

Posted: 12/3/2014 5:33:38 PM EDT

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Hmm..... Mini Draco you say....

Posted: 12/3/2014 7:02:03 PM EDT

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Niiiice

Posted: 12/3/2014 11:58:41 PM EDT

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Got a top rail or cover in the works for the mini Draco??? Spmething for Aimpoint H1/T1 or Primary Arms red dot or Trijicon RMR??

Posted: 12/4/2014 12:14:23 AM EDT

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These ready for release yet?

Posted: 12/4/2014 1:02:38 AM EDT

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Picatinny babty, and co-witnes with an Aimpoint micro to boot. Just finished up the design today for the upper and lower, going to knock out a prototype in the next week.

Posted: 12/4/2014 1:04:15 AM EDT

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The official release date for sale will be December 20th.

Posted: 12/4/2014 1:40:38 AM EDT

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Ok and what price?

Posted: 12/4/2014 8:29:52 PM EDT

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I won't lie, the M-LOK slots are freaky long and look like ass on, well, pretty much anything that isn't a 13"+ AR forend, but we'll make them because people want them.

Seriously, that is how much I love you guys, I will sacrifice my aesthetic ideals just so you can get the function you want.

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Make these in M LOK please

I won't lie, the M-LOK slots are freaky long and look like ass on, well, pretty much anything that isn't a 13"+ AR forend, but we'll make them because people want them.

Seriously, that is how much I love you guys, I will sacrifice my aesthetic ideals just so you can get the function you want.

Between this (m-lok version) and geissele doing an AK trigger, I think I need to buy my first AK.
Suggestions?

Posted: 12/4/2014 8:33:17 PM EDT

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Price to be released the day it goes live per our agreement with AK Operators Union.

I will nudge Rob to see if we might be able to release the pricing a little sooner.

Posted: 12/4/2014 8:34:44 PM EDT

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Between this (m-lok version) and geissele doing an AK trigger, I think I need to buy my first AK.
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Make these in M LOK please

I won't lie, the M-LOK slots are freaky long and look like ass on, well, pretty much anything that isn't a 13"+ AR forend, but we'll make them because people want them.

Seriously, that is how much I love you guys, I will sacrifice my aesthetic ideals just so you can get the function you want.

Between this (m-lok version) and geissele doing an AK trigger, I think I need to buy my first AK.
Suggestions?

Honestly the current WASR 10's seem to be pretty solid, and a good deal at under $600.

Otherwise you can go balls out and get an Aresenal SLR-107 with the 4.5mm pin sidefoldeing stock, and we should have a kickass stock solution out with Circle 10 AK fairly soon