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Posted: 6/24/2016 11:20:21 PM EDT
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The issue is not lot related, it is firearm related, there are no bad lots, all have been factory tested and meet Russian military spec. I have been the exclusive outlet for Golden Tiger for the past 5 years and know the product very well, every case sold in the USA since 2011 has passed through my warehouse (SGAmmo.com) except the stuff Kieth and Alex (the importers) keep for their store in New Hampshire. The factory loads GT to actually Russian military specifications and the primer is harder than Sammi spec to reduce the risk of slamfire from lacquer sealant build up around the firing pin, and other issues. It causes problems mostly in AR15 and mini-30, but can have problems in AK47 and SKS that are not manufactured to or currently within Russian mil-spec in terms for how hard and deep they strike the primer. Everyone with an AK47 that I ever ran into that had this FTF problems and was willing to install a new hammer spring was able to resolve the issue. For AR15 it is more complicated because you have to remove a few thousandths of an inch from the back end of the bolt to allow the firing pin to protrude further than original, as well as upgrade to a heavier that original hammer spring. Mini-30 I cannot advise on solutions, they have problems with most Russian ammo and GT more so than other brands. The conditions that caused this rumor to brew were as follows. In 2014 Vympel sent no ammo at all to the USA, and the market went dry and hungry for the product, then in 2015 they shipped 10,260,000 rounds in the late winter / early spring. This ammo was sold almost instantly to about 7,000 different clients at almost the same time. The very small number of people that had problems in their guns when using GT ammo got their ammo at the same time, and reported the problems at that time, which made an illusion of a lot related problem, however that was not the case, it was just that so many people got so much of the ammo at the same time that the ones who were going to have problems with the mil-spec primer all ran into it at once.
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Posted: 6/26/2016 11:03:44 AM EDT
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I've burned around 5000 rounds of this stuff in a SKS and Arsenal AK. I still have a couple thousand or more in reserve. To my knowledge I've never had a FTF.
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Posted: 6/27/2016 2:20:47 PM EDT
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I have burned a case through AK's with zero problems
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Posted: 6/29/2016 11:47:58 PM EDT
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Rifles here are mostly chinese and some comm bloc, so I've never had a problem with GT since mine are all old school mil.-spec. built by countries who have been at it for quite some time. Or home built using parts kits from original country of manufacture.
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Posted: 7/3/2016 11:39:43 AM EDT
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I have "a couple" of AK patterned weapons. And "several" thousands of GT 7.62x39 going as far back as 2K10. Only one weapon has ever failed to fire GT 7.62x39 and the number of failures is in the two digits but significantly less than 1% of the rounds that go through it. That particular weapon has had issues with the hammer spring in the past so it is on the list of parts that I have considered replacing. With Sam's information I think that I am going to prioritize the replacement.
And Sam: Thanks for all of the GT over the years. I am going to need to order some more soon. 2HUT8 |
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Posted: 7/10/2016 1:31:29 PM EDT
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Can't get the lot number, but I recently fired 1,000 rounds through a Century VZ2008 over the course of a few days. No FTF at all. The ammo was ordered from SGammo a little over a month ago.
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Posted: 7/11/2016 10:06:04 PM EDT
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I shot 1000 rounds of Golden Tiger that I bought in May with no issues. Great stuff and will be ordering more. What are people's thoughts on their .223 offering?
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Posted: 7/23/2016 10:48:25 PM EDT
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Had anyone had an issue with GT that's running a Saiga rifle with a tapco g2 us made trigger? I've had zero issues thus far, but was wondering...
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Posted: 8/1/2016 6:40:20 AM EDT
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Had anyone had an issue with GT that's running a Saiga rifle with a tapco g2 us made trigger? I've had zero issues thus far, but was wondering... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Not with the g2 FCG, but I ran 60rnds of GT through 2 unconverted Saiga's earlier today with no issues. FWIW, it was the same lot (E-93-15) that I put through a Norinco SKS Paratrooper which experienced about a 10% FTF rate out of about 100rnds ETA: Which gives credence to what SGAmmo already stated. I was just sighting in the irons, but it goes to show how relevant it is to test any ammo you plan to pile. I wouldn't have thought any SKS would have had an issue with GT ammo, commercial or otherwise. |
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Posted: 8/28/2016 2:35:34 PM EDT
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The issue is not lot related, it is firearm related, there are no bad lots, all have been factory tested and meet Russian military spec. I have been the exclusive outlet for Golden Tiger for the past 5 years and know the product very well, every case sold in the USA since 2011 has passed through my warehouse (SGAmmo.com) except the stuff Kieth and Alex (the importers) keep for their store in New Hampshire. The factory loads GT to actually Russian military specifications and the primer is harder than Sammi spec to reduce the risk of slamfire from lacquer sealant build up around the firing pin, and other issues. It causes problems mostly in AR15 and mini-30, but can have problems in AK47 and SKS that are not manufactured to or currently within Russian mil-spec in terms for how hard and deep they strike the primer. http://www.SGAmmo.com 
That's a photo of a Golden Tiger round that would not go off when I tried to fire it. I've fired hundreds of rounds of GT through that AK and they all worked fine except that one. I looked at the primers on spent GT casings and the strikes all looked the same as the one above. But the one above didn't go off. It has to be a bad primer. |
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Posted: 8/29/2016 1:30:03 PM EDT
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I shot 1000 rounds of Golden Tiger that I bought in May with no issues. Great stuff and will be ordering more. What are people's thoughts on their .223 offering? Ordered 2k Few ftf at first, but installed the 7.62 enhanced firing pin on the bumpsaw, seemed to help. Didn't get too many other rounds off after that because was having fte, ordered BCM extractor upgrade and range day Wed, I'll update. Couldn't really futz with it last trip because I had my 2 roommates with me and they were getting impatient  you try having 2 women holding loaded guns and see hold long you make them wait 
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Posted: 8/30/2016 2:45:22 PM EDT
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Ive run a couple thousand through various sks's and my 7.62 AR with no failures. Most people dont know how to build a 7.62 AR and then complain when it doesnt work right.
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Posted: 9/1/2016 4:21:49 PM EDT
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Ordered 2k Few ftf at first, but installed the 7.62 enhanced firing pin on the bumpsaw, seemed to help. Didn't get too many other rounds off after that because was having fte, ordered BCM extractor upgrade and range day Wed, I'll update. Couldn't really futz with it last trip because I had my 2 roommates with me and they were getting impatient you try having 2 women holding loaded guns and see hold long you make them wait Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I shot 1000 rounds of Golden Tiger that I bought in May with no issues. Great stuff and will be ordering more. What are people's thoughts on their .223 offering? Ordered 2k Few ftf at first, but installed the 7.62 enhanced firing pin on the bumpsaw, seemed to help. Didn't get too many other rounds off after that because was having fte, ordered BCM extractor upgrade and range day Wed, I'll update. Couldn't really futz with it last trip because I had my 2 roommates with me and they were getting impatient you try having 2 women holding loaded guns and see hold long you make them wait After firing pin and BCM upgrade, 100%. Accurate too. |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 12:15:02 AM EDT
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No issues with my Saiga w/ tapco trigger, over 500 rds GT.
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Posted: 11/1/2016 12:41:27 PM EDT
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I've never had a FTF shooting Golden Tiger. 3000 rds.
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Posted: 11/2/2016 12:06:24 PM EDT
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Half a Case through a 7.62X39 AR no issues 1" group at 100yd. It's more mild than my brown bear and hitting up to 2 inches lower than brown bear but when it groups half the size and is cheaper I don't give it's become my Primary Ammo.
Running an AR with a Larue MBT it's setting off the GT X39 just fine. |
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