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Posted: 11/30/2015 12:39:00 AM EDT
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Lot of different vendors. Last quart can I got was made in the 90s by a European firm, but I've also seen three or four US vendors.
Last 4-ounce plastic squeeze bottle was tan vice Vietnam-era OD green. Data was on a white sticky label vice black print directly on the bottle. |
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Posted: 11/30/2015 9:26:42 AM EDT
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I'm thinking the Mil-comm MC3000 is used for LSA since it has a NSN and it is marketed towards machine guns which require LSA. My question is does anyone know what brand of LSA the current military uses? Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'm thinking the Mil-comm MC3000 is used for LSA since it has a NSN and it is marketed towards machine guns which require LSA. My question is does anyone know what brand of LSA the current military uses? Quoted:
Lot of different vendors. Last quart can I got was made in the 90s by a European firm, but I've also seen three or four US vendors. Last 4-ounce plastic squeeze bottle was tan vice Vietnam-era OD green. Data was on a white sticky label vice black print directly on the bottle. Lubricant, Small Arms, MIL-L-46000, is not the same as MC3000, LSA is available from the following sources: ARPOLUBE 46000 NEXEO SOLUTIONS, LLC CSD 9733 MEADOR RD CONROE, TX 773032335 USA www.nexeosolutions.com Test Reference: AR-88-10 4N760 BRAYCOTE 646 CASTROL INDUSTRIAL NORTH AMERICA INC. 150 W WARRENVILLE RD STE 605 NAPERVILLE, IL 605638473 USA Test Reference: AR-88-10 2R128 SENT-46000 LUBRIFIANTS SENTINEL CORP, LES SENTINEL CANADA 7300 RUE SAINT-JACQUES MONTREAL, QC H4B 1W1 CANADA FA LAB REPORT 155837 3AD00 NSNs for Lubricant, Small Arms, MIL-L-46000: 1 Gallon Jug - 9150-00-753-4686 1 Quart Jug - 9150-00-687-4241 4 Ounce Bottle - 9150-00-889-3522 2 Ounce Bottle - 9150-00-935-6597 NSN for MC3000 (No military specification): 5962-01-475-3087 - 1 gallon Jug 5962-01-475-3087 - 16 ounce Jug 5962-01-475-3065 - 8 ounce Squeeze Bottle 5962-01-475-3064 - 8 ounce Jug 5962-01-475-3055 - 4 ounce squeeze Bottle |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 2:32:20 AM EDT
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An NSN doesn't mean it's used by the military. It's just in the government stock system. Most every federal agency uses the NSN system to purchase items, so it's not a military specific system.
It's not all that difficult to get a NSN, a lot of products have them whether or not used by the military or any other agency. The National Stock system it like a federally approved list of products. Not that any particular product is approved by any specfic agency. For a product to be used by the military (with some exceptions) it would need to meet a specific mlitary specification, mil-x-xxxxx, and the company would need to have been issued a CAGE code. And remember that a CAGE code is also used by civillian agencies AND most companies can get them even if they never supply anything. It puts the company on the list of vendors. Companies with a CAGE code are like a federally approved store, and the NSN are the listed items they carry. Not that any of the products sold by any of the companies are actually used. |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 3:18:47 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/1/2015 9:35:11 AM EDT
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An NSN doesn't mean it's used by the military. It's just in the government stock system. Most every federal agency uses the NSN system to purchase items, so it's not a military specific system. It's not all that difficult to get a NSN, a lot of products have them whether or not used by the military or any other agency. The National Stock system it like a federally approved list of products. Not that any particular product is approved by any specfic agency. For a product to be used by the military (with some exceptions) it would need to meet a specific mlitary specification, mil-x-xxxxx, and the company would need to have been issued a CAGE code. And remember that a CAGE code is also used by civillian agencies AND most companies can get them even if they never supply anything. It puts the company on the list of vendors. Companies with a CAGE code are like a federally approved store, and the NSN are the listed items they carry. Not that any of the products sold by any of the companies are actually used. No, it does not. As long as there is an NSN assigned the military can order that item. And, in order to get an NSN (or have your parts added the NSN list of equivalents), you have to have a CAGE code. There is an awful lot of stuff that does not have a MIL-Spec, especially since they killed half of them in the 1990s. Products with actual military specifications are more the exception than the rule these days. A CAGE code does not mean you are an approved "store", all it means is you are now in the "USG phonebook". 'Qualification' gets you to be an "approved store" and qualification is part specific, you get qualified to make a particular NSN, specification item, or part number. As long as you have Federal Employer Identification Number (EIN) you can get a CAGE code. |
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Posted: 12/2/2015 6:49:19 PM EDT
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Lubricant, Small Arms, MIL-L-46000, is not the same as MC3000, LSA is available from the following sources: ARPOLUBE 46000 NEXEO SOLUTIONS, LLC CSD 9733 MEADOR RD CONROE, TX 773032335 USA www.nexeosolutions.com Test Reference: AR-88-10 4N760 BRAYCOTE 646 CASTROL INDUSTRIAL NORTH AMERICA INC. 150 W WARRENVILLE RD STE 605 NAPERVILLE, IL 605638473 USA Test Reference: AR-88-10 2R128 SENT-46000 LUBRIFIANTS SENTINEL CORP, LES SENTINEL CANADA 7300 RUE SAINT-JACQUES MONTREAL, QC H4B 1W1 CANADA FA LAB REPORT 155837 3AD00 NSNs for Lubricant, Small Arms, MIL-L-46000: 1 Gallon Jug - 9150-00-753-4686 1 Quart Jug - 9150-00-687-4241 4 Ounce Bottle - 9150-00-889-3522 2 Ounce Bottle - 9150-00-935-6597 NSN for MC3000 (No military specification): 5962-01-475-3087 - 1 gallon Jug 5962-01-475-3087 - 16 ounce Jug 5962-01-475-3065 - 8 ounce Squeeze Bottle 5962-01-475-3064 - 8 ounce Jug 5962-01-475-3055 - 4 ounce squeeze Bottle Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm thinking the Mil-comm MC3000 is used for LSA since it has a NSN and it is marketed towards machine guns which require LSA. My question is does anyone know what brand of LSA the current military uses? Quoted:
Lot of different vendors. Last quart can I got was made in the 90s by a European firm, but I've also seen three or four US vendors. Last 4-ounce plastic squeeze bottle was tan vice Vietnam-era OD green. Data was on a white sticky label vice black print directly on the bottle. Lubricant, Small Arms, MIL-L-46000, is not the same as MC3000, LSA is available from the following sources: ARPOLUBE 46000 NEXEO SOLUTIONS, LLC CSD 9733 MEADOR RD CONROE, TX 773032335 USA www.nexeosolutions.com Test Reference: AR-88-10 4N760 BRAYCOTE 646 CASTROL INDUSTRIAL NORTH AMERICA INC. 150 W WARRENVILLE RD STE 605 NAPERVILLE, IL 605638473 USA Test Reference: AR-88-10 2R128 SENT-46000 LUBRIFIANTS SENTINEL CORP, LES SENTINEL CANADA 7300 RUE SAINT-JACQUES MONTREAL, QC H4B 1W1 CANADA FA LAB REPORT 155837 3AD00 NSNs for Lubricant, Small Arms, MIL-L-46000: 1 Gallon Jug - 9150-00-753-4686 1 Quart Jug - 9150-00-687-4241 4 Ounce Bottle - 9150-00-889-3522 2 Ounce Bottle - 9150-00-935-6597 NSN for MC3000 (No military specification): 5962-01-475-3087 - 1 gallon Jug 5962-01-475-3087 - 16 ounce Jug 5962-01-475-3065 - 8 ounce Squeeze Bottle 5962-01-475-3064 - 8 ounce Jug 5962-01-475-3055 - 4 ounce squeeze Bottle Thanks for the huge list. I ordered some MC3000 since I like Mil comm's other products. I also ordered some surplus LSA in the green bottle. Hopefully it'll come this week and I can test it out. |
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Posted: 12/2/2015 9:43:16 PM EDT
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Thanks for the huge list. I ordered some MC3000 since I like Mil comm's other products. I also ordered some surplus LSA in the green bottle. Hopefully it'll come this week and I can test it out. Just so you know, oil does have a shelf life..... |
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Posted: 12/2/2015 10:14:49 PM EDT
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Just so you know, oil does have a shelf life..... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thanks for the huge list. I ordered some MC3000 since I like Mil comm's other products. I also ordered some surplus LSA in the green bottle. Hopefully it'll come this week and I can test it out. Just so you know, oil does have a shelf life..... True. I tried some old unopened m14 rifle grease from the early 70s and it worked wonderfully. Only negative thing is the horrendous smell when you open the can. Depending on how this LSA was stored I have some level of comfort it will work wonderfully. |
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Posted: 12/4/2015 7:10:54 PM EDT
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Just got the LSA in the mail. It is dated March 91. The smell is great and doesn't smell rotten. Putting it on my bolt it looks like it's going to work well. Can't wait to hit the range with it.
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Posted: 12/5/2015 7:53:14 PM EDT
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No, it does not. As long as there is an NSN assigned the military can order that item. And, in order to get an NSN (or have your parts added the NSN list of equivalents), you have to have a CAGE code. There is an awful lot of stuff that does not have a MIL-Spec, especially since they killed half of them in the 1990s. Products with actual military specifications are more the exception than the rule these days. A CAGE code does not mean you are an approved "store", all it means is you are now in the "USG phonebook". 'Qualification' gets you to be an "approved store" and qualification is part specific, you get qualified to make a particular NSN, specification item, or part number. As long as you have Federal Employer Identification Number (EIN) you can get a CAGE code. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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An NSN doesn't mean it's used by the military. It's just in the government stock system. Most every federal agency uses the NSN system to purchase items, so it's not a military specific system. It's not all that difficult to get a NSN, a lot of products have them whether or not used by the military or any other agency. The National Stock system it like a federally approved list of products. Not that any particular product is approved by any specfic agency. For a product to be used by the military (with some exceptions) it would need to meet a specific mlitary specification, mil-x-xxxxx, and the company would need to have been issued a CAGE code. And remember that a CAGE code is also used by civillian agencies AND most companies can get them even if they never supply anything. It puts the company on the list of vendors. Companies with a CAGE code are like a federally approved store, and the NSN are the listed items they carry. Not that any of the products sold by any of the companies are actually used. No, it does not. As long as there is an NSN assigned the military can order that item. And, in order to get an NSN (or have your parts added the NSN list of equivalents), you have to have a CAGE code. There is an awful lot of stuff that does not have a MIL-Spec, especially since they killed half of them in the 1990s. Products with actual military specifications are more the exception than the rule these days. A CAGE code does not mean you are an approved "store", all it means is you are now in the "USG phonebook". 'Qualification' gets you to be an "approved store" and qualification is part specific, you get qualified to make a particular NSN, specification item, or part number. As long as you have Federal Employer Identification Number (EIN) you can get a CAGE code. So even more it doesn't mean isn't used by anybody in the government, military or civillian. |
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Posted: 12/6/2015 12:37:21 AM EDT
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So even more it doesn't mean isn't used by anybody in the government, military or civillian. Quote HistoryQuoted:
So even more it doesn't mean isn't used by anybody in the government, military or civillian. Having an NSN assigned means it can be used by anybody in the USG, military or civilian. It may very well be an "or equivalent" to an existing lubricant... The major point of the post was that this statement: For a product to be used by the military (with some exceptions) it would need to meet a specific mlitary [sic] specification, mil-x-xxxxx is false. Many products are used by the military that do not meet a specific "military specification". For example: Jet-A and Jet-B jet fuels, both have an NSN, neither meet any military specification, but are used rather extensively as substitutes for JP-8 and JP-5. |
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Posted: 12/6/2015 1:42:58 AM EDT
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??? Having an NSN assigned means it can be used by anybody in the USG, military or civilian. It may very well be an "or equivalent" to an existing lubricant... The major point of the post was that this statement: is false. Many products are used by the military that do not meet a specific "military specification". For example: Jet-A and Jet-B jet fuels, both have an NSN, neither meet any military specification, but are used rather extensively as substitutes for JP-8 and JP-5. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So even more it doesn't mean isn't used by anybody in the government, military or civillian. Having an NSN assigned means it can be used by anybody in the USG, military or civilian. It may very well be an "or equivalent" to an existing lubricant... The major point of the post was that this statement: For a product to be used by the military (with some exceptions) it would need to meet a specific mlitary [sic] specification, mil-x-xxxxx is false. Many products are used by the military that do not meet a specific "military specification". For example: Jet-A and Jet-B jet fuels, both have an NSN, neither meet any military specification, but are used rather extensively as substitutes for JP-8 and JP-5. Just because it can be used by the military (and the other federal agencies that use the NSN system) doesn't mean that it is used by anyone. Anything can get an NSN. It doesn't mean that anyone actually buys and uses it. Just as most any company can get a CAGE code, it doesn't mean that company actually has a contract, or sells anything to the government. Yeah, I fucked up and made a mistake about products having to meet a specification. Move on and stop focusing so narrowly. |
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Posted: 12/6/2015 11:09:16 AM EDT
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Just because it can be used by the military (and the other federal agencies that use the NSN system) doesn't mean that it is used by anyone. Anything can get an NSN. It doesn't mean that anyone actually buys and uses it. Just as most any company can get a CAGE code, it doesn't mean that company actually has a contract, or sells anything to the government. Yeah, I fucked up and made a mistake about products having to meet a specification. Move on and stop focusing so narrowly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So even more it doesn't mean isn't used by anybody in the government, military or civillian. Having an NSN assigned means it can be used by anybody in the USG, military or civilian. It may very well be an "or equivalent" to an existing lubricant... The major point of the post was that this statement: For a product to be used by the military (with some exceptions) it would need to meet a specific mlitary [sic] specification, mil-x-xxxxx is false. Many products are used by the military that do not meet a specific "military specification". For example: Jet-A and Jet-B jet fuels, both have an NSN, neither meet any military specification, but are used rather extensively as substitutes for JP-8 and JP-5. Just because it can be used by the military (and the other federal agencies that use the NSN system) doesn't mean that it is used by anyone. Anything can get an NSN. It doesn't mean that anyone actually buys and uses it. Just as most any company can get a CAGE code, it doesn't mean that company actually has a contract, or sells anything to the government. Yeah, I fucked up and made a mistake about products having to meet a specification. Move on and stop focusing so narrowly. So you have queried every single unit, activity and post in the entire US military and have confirmed that no one is using it. Well, some one using it is, they bought whole bunch of it recently.... |
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Posted: 12/7/2015 10:58:41 PM EDT
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So you have queried every single unit, activity and post in the entire US military and have confirmed that no one is using it. Well, some one using it is, they bought whole bunch of it recently.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So even more it doesn't mean isn't used by anybody in the government, military or civillian. Having an NSN assigned means it can be used by anybody in the USG, military or civilian. It may very well be an "or equivalent" to an existing lubricant... The major point of the post was that this statement: For a product to be used by the military (with some exceptions) it would need to meet a specific mlitary [sic] specification, mil-x-xxxxx is false. Many products are used by the military that do not meet a specific "military specification". For example: Jet-A and Jet-B jet fuels, both have an NSN, neither meet any military specification, but are used rather extensively as substitutes for JP-8 and JP-5. Just because it can be used by the military (and the other federal agencies that use the NSN system) doesn't mean that it is used by anyone. Anything can get an NSN. It doesn't mean that anyone actually buys and uses it. Just as most any company can get a CAGE code, it doesn't mean that company actually has a contract, or sells anything to the government. Yeah, I fucked up and made a mistake about products having to meet a specification. Move on and stop focusing so narrowly. So you have queried every single unit, activity and post in the entire US military and have confirmed that no one is using it. Well, some one using it is, they bought whole bunch of it recently.... What are you talking about? I made a general statement that just because a product has a NSN or CAGE code it doesn't mean it's actually used by anyone. Anything more than that is your imagination. Additionally, just because one or two units might use something, that doesn't mean it's military issue. Unless you're the marketing guy for some product. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 7:50:11 AM EDT
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What are you talking about? I made a general statement that just because a product has a NSN or CAGE code it doesn't mean it's actually used by anyone. Anything more than that is your imagination. Additionally, just because one or two units might use something, that doesn't mean it's military issue. Unless you're the marketing guy for some product. Well, the fact that over 250 gallons of MC 3000 was ordered in 2015, tells me someone is using it in quantity. And, Mil-Comm is a 'real' military supplier, they have at least a million $ in contracts unlike, say BCM, who has none. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 7:50:58 AM EDT
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double post.....
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Posted: 12/13/2015 1:24:50 AM EDT
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And you're still ranting without making any damn sense. I never said a thing about Mil-comm not being currently issued.
I made a general statement that just because some company has a NSN it doesn't mean that anyone uses them or that it's used in large quantity. |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 12:21:58 PM EDT
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And you're still ranting without making any damn sense. I never said a thing about Mil-comm not being currently issued. I made a general statement that just because some company has a NSN it doesn't mean that anyone uses them or that it's used in large quantity. 16,000 2-oz bottles, that might be considered 'volume use'.... |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 4:21:54 AM EDT
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16,000 2-oz bottles, that might be considered 'volume use'.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And you're still ranting without making any damn sense. I never said a thing about Mil-comm not being currently issued. I made a general statement that just because some company has a NSN it doesn't mean that anyone uses them or that it's used in large quantity. 16,000 2-oz bottles, that might be considered 'volume use'.... Are you being dense intentionally or do you have a learning disability? Or just trolling? I'm asking a serious question, because you can't get past Milcomm.... I'm not saying a damn thing about Mil-com. At all. Or any other specific product for that matter. |
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Posted: 12/16/2015 11:27:28 AM EDT
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OP Request
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