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Posted: 4/16/2010 9:36:11 PM
I am about to buy my first rifle. In my Army days we used the M-14. Today my right shoulder isn't what it use to be. I'm hoping that the recoil buffer of an AR platform with a muzzle brake will get the recoil thump down to a 5.56 AR.

For those that have shot both calibers is this possible? I'd really like to have the additional stopping power of a 7.62
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Posted: 4/16/2010 9:42:03 PM
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I own all 3 weapons you mentioned in your post, the AR-10 is a little lighter than the M-14, but no where near as light as the AR-15. Your still gonna get a push, it's not going to break your shoulder but it's not feather light either. The biggest difference is the butt plate on the AR-10 and AR-15 isn't just a steel plate like the M-14/M-1A and the buffer/spring assembly. If I recall, there are some after market buffers that may further tame the AR-10.
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Posted: 4/16/2010 10:12:37 PM
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Recoil is a very subjective thing. My nephew started shooting my AR10s and Garands when he was ten. I've also know grown men who could barely tolerate shooting 100 rounds through an AR15.

With that said, I feel that an AR10 has significantly less felt recoil than an M14, though it is still significantly greater than an AR15.
If you don't mind the noise/blast an ArmaLite muzzle break will help a LOT. One of the most effective designs available, IMO.

A heavier buffer can also help reduce felt recoil.
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Posted: 4/17/2010 12:36:09 AM
As was already stated, Recoil is subjective. The specific type of rifle stock used often plays is significant part.

I have AR-10's and AR-15's.
To me.....assuming similar muzzle devices.....the AR-10 has about 1/3 more felt recoil.
When I shoot my full stock 20" barrel AR-10A2, I don't start to get recoil sensitive until "after" shooting 100 rounds.
I can shoot any AR-15 all day long with no recoil sensitivity.
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Posted: 4/17/2010 12:38:48 AM
Brake and stock choice will have a lot to do with perceived recoil.

It's going to take a lot to get the .308 down to .223 levels.

If you aren't going to be shooting past 600 yards the AR15 is going to be your all-around better bet.
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Posted: 4/17/2010 12:40:01 AM
my 15.5 pound AR10 with a tromix muzzle brake make the recoil less than an AR15
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Posted: 4/17/2010 12:48:49 AM
Originally Posted By gigaphun:
my 15.5 pound AR10 with a tromix muzzle brake make the recoil less than an AR15


I bet it's not less than the recoil of my 5.56mm HBAR with CTS Suppressor attached.

See what I am getting at?
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Posted: 4/17/2010 7:59:28 PM
Me and my Nephew .308 in the back.
To me a 5.56 is nothing a .308 you notice.
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Posted: 4/18/2010 12:40:47 AM
Here they are together. The Armalite muzzle break really is a beast!









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Posted: 4/19/2010 6:09:56 PM
Thanks to all of you for commenting. I believe I will now narrow my search to the 5.56 AR family. I'd rather have a rifle I enjoy to fire often rather than risk buying a rifle that I find uncomfortable to shoot.
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Posted: 4/19/2010 6:30:41 PM
Between a 7.62SD and an adjustable gas plug, my M1a has turned into a complete puppy. The difference is night and day. Is this combo an option for you? Its been a while since I shot it without the can, so I don't recall how much benefit the Schuster Adjustable Gas Plug gives by itself. (may have misspelled the name)
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Posted: 4/19/2010 7:50:00 PM
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Originally Posted By ingram4868:
I am about to buy my first rifle. In my Army days we used the M-14. Today my right shoulder isn't what it use to be. I'm hoping that the recoil buffer of an AR platform with a muzzle brake will get the recoil thump down to a 5.56 AR.

For those that have shot both calibers is this possible? I'd really like to have the additional stopping power of a 7.62

If it were me I would learn to shoot left handed rather than eliminate an entire platform. The Armalite AR-10 is an amazing power house with many options. The guys at this forum not only will help you with all that you need that they will also help you empty your wallet.

I installed a brake on mine and guesstimate that half of the recoil is gone. Is it exactly like the 15 no. Limbsaver has some new AR buttstock pads that claim to take up recoil. Magpul has a .70 pad listed now (new) that takes up recoil.
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Posted: 4/19/2010 9:28:33 PM
Just when I thought I knew what I was going to do. Ok, I'll do more reading to see what can be done to dampen the AR10.
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Posted: 4/19/2010 11:27:59 PM
You might consider seeking out a friend or someone local with an AR10 who would allow you to fire their gun prior to making purchase.
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Posted: 4/19/2010 11:39:50 PM
I run a 16" AR10 (11 lbs with heavy barrel, ffquad and optics) with fsc30 compensaor by pws and a bit of pad on the stock. I find the recoil hardly noticable, could shoot it all day if I could afford to. Don't discount it without trying it.
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Posted: 4/20/2010 12:01:56 AM
Do the heavy buffers cause any reliability issues?
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Posted: 4/20/2010 11:07:37 AM
That sounds very promising. If I use a 20 inch barrel does that also reduce recoil a little.
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Posted: 4/20/2010 12:23:43 PM

Originally Posted By Johnny_Reb:
Do the heavy buffers cause any reliability issues?

None that have been reported to me. It would take a VERY heavy buffer to stop an AR10. I've sold some 16 ounce buffers for FA applications.

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Posted: 4/20/2010 12:25:25 PM

Originally Posted By ingram4868:
That sounds very promising. If I use a 20 inch barrel does that also reduce recoil a little.

Barrel length has no effect, aside from the weight of the barrel. The heavier the gun, the less recoil you will feel.
A 24" AR10T might be a good choice, depending on your intended application.

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Posted: 4/20/2010 1:53:03 PM
Originally Posted By Slash:

Originally Posted By Johnny_Reb:
Do the heavy buffers cause any reliability issues?

None that have been reported to me. It would take a VERY heavy buffer to stop an AR10. I've sold some 16 ounce buffers for FA applications.



Thanks,

I ordered one of your AR-10 heavy buffers (10 oz.) this morning.
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Posted: 4/20/2010 6:45:13 PM
I have a 16" AR10T carbine and a Colt LE6940. The Colt is really sweet shooting like most AR series rifles. Prior to buying my AR10 the only .308 rounds I had fired was out of my brothers bolt action Remington. It had no recoil pad at all and after about 25 rounds was not so much fun to shoot any more. When I bought my AR10T I expected the recoil to still be pretty stout but somewhat milder with the buffer and semi-auto action as opposed to the bolt action. I was AMAZED at how comparatively light the recoil was on my AR10T versus my brothers bolt action .308 . My AR10T has a LITTLE heavier kick over my Colt but really nothing at all to even be concerned about. The biggest difference I personally see beween shooting a .223 vs. a .308 is ammo costs. It cost MUCH more $$$ to shoot the .308 over the .223. If it wasn't the cost difference I'd probably shoot my AR10T much more than I currently do but tend to shoot my Colt more overall mainly due to the price of ammo and I've stocked up WAY more .223 ammo than .308.
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Posted: 4/24/2010 7:35:42 PM
I just got my AR-10 finished,. It's pretty much a standard AR-10T but with a 24in Rock Creek barrel instead of the 20in Armalite offers. I also added the Surefire brake/suppressor addaptor because I plan on getting a can for this gun. Now I've never shot my gun without this brake so I can't really say how much it reduced the recoil,. But right now it's about like shooting a cork gun. I have the same exact Surefire brake on my .300 Win. Mag. Remington 700 5r and it tamed it down pretty damn good on that rifle as well.

Here it is on my Armalite.


now both rifles are VERY blasty,. But recoil on both is about as bad as getting smacked in the face with a really soft tit,. Sounds awful but damn sure does not hurt,. And well shooting both I usually end up giggling like a little kid.

Another nice thing with the Armalite is that I can watch the rounds impact my target thru my scope there is that little of a disturbance to my sight picture thru the scope durring recoil. Although with the .300 Win. Mag. There is just enough to knock me off target.
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Posted: 4/24/2010 11:53:39 PM
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Thank you

I do have another question for someone. While reading info on the AR15 I was reading that you should not use 5.56 NATO rounds in a 223 chambered rifle, but you could use the 223 in a 5.56 chamber.

Is there a similar issue with the 308 and 7.62 ammo? I was surprised to find out how much more the cost of 7.62 ammo is compared to the 5.56.
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Posted: 4/25/2010 12:18:57 AM
Originally Posted By cruzie27:
I just got my AR-10 finished,. It's pretty much a standard AR-10T but with a 24in Rock Creek barrel instead of the 20in Armalite offers. I also added the Surefire brake/suppressor addaptor because I plan on getting a can for this gun. Now I've never shot my gun without this brake so I can't really say how much it reduced the recoil,. But right now it's about like shooting a cork gun. I have the same exact Surefire brake on my .300 Win. Mag. Remington 700 5r and it tamed it down pretty damn good on that rifle as well.

now both rifles are VERY blasty,. But recoil on both is about as bad as getting smacked in the face with a really soft tit,. Sounds awful but damn sure does not hurt,. And well shooting both I usually end up giggling like a little kid.

Another nice thing with the Armalite is that I can watch the rounds impact my target thru my scope there is that little of a disturbance to my sight picture thru the scope durring recoil. Although with the .300 Win. Mag. There is just enough to knock me off target.


Did you build yours, yourself? I am intrigued

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Posted: 4/25/2010 1:04:00 AM
Originally Posted By ingram4868:
Thank you

I do have another question for someone. While reading info on the AR15 I was reading that you should not use 5.56 NATO rounds in a 223 chambered rifle, but you could use the 223 in a 5.56 chamber.

Is there a similar issue with the 308 and 7.62 ammo? I was surprised to find out how much more the cost of 7.62 ammo is compared to the 5.56.


Yes you can shoot .223 in a 5.56, and you can shoot .308 or 7.62 x 51 in the AR10.
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Posted: 4/25/2010 1:02:07 PM
Originally Posted By Redemption1980:
Originally Posted By cruzie27:
I just got my AR-10 finished,. It's pretty much a standard AR-10T but with a 24in Rock Creek barrel instead of the 20in Armalite offers. I also added the Surefire brake/suppressor addaptor because I plan on getting a can for this gun. Now I've never shot my gun without this brake so I can't really say how much it reduced the recoil,. But right now it's about like shooting a cork gun. I have the same exact Surefire brake on my .300 Win. Mag. Remington 700 5r and it tamed it down pretty damn good on that rifle as well.

now both rifles are VERY blasty,. But recoil on both is about as bad as getting smacked in the face with a really soft tit,. Sounds awful but damn sure does not hurt,. And well shooting both I usually end up giggling like a little kid.

Another nice thing with the Armalite is that I can watch the rounds impact my target thru my scope there is that little of a disturbance to my sight picture thru the scope durring recoil. Although with the .300 Win. Mag. There is just enough to knock me off target.


Did you build yours, yourself? I am intrigued



yes it started as a stripped lower,. the barrel was a 1:11.25 twist .30cal blank,. so i had to get the work farmed out to my local smith,. but other than that it has as many Armalite parts stuffed into it as i / we could find.

i would like to try and find the parts to modify the buttstock to make it more like the M110 stock,. besides that and trying to figure out a better way to mount my scope i love the rifle just the way it is.

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