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Posted: 9/20/2014 3:38:28 AM EDT
So far this is what I've got:
Aero Precision FDE cerakote stripped upper/lower combo (forged) TR Enabling Obsidian BCG TR Enabling LPK Magpul FDE CTR stock Magpul FDE MIAD grip Magpul FDE trigger guard Troy 13" FDE Alpha rail Troy FDE flip up battle sights Magpul B.A.D. lever Mil Spec forward assist assembly Mil Spec barrel nut Mil Spec carbine buffer Yankee Hill Machine Phantom 5C Comp/Flash Hider This is my list of things I'm planning to get: Spikes cold hammer forged 16" mid length barrel. (the one they call there "Optimum profile") SLR Rifleworks Sentry 7 Clamp On Premium Adjustable Gas Block-Melonite (I'm not clear if the clamp on version will fit under the Alpha rail? I may have to get the set screw version.) Anybody know? Primary Weapon Systems enhanced buffer tube Tubbs flat coil buffer spring Battle Arms Development Ambi Safety KNS Anti Rotational Pins Spikes black mid length gas tube Rainier Raptor charging handle Strike Industries FDE dust cover Wilson Combat Tactical Trigger Unit 4 lb Single Stage Noveske TRX QD sling mount (for the alpha rail) TangoDown Quick-Detach Stubby Vertical Forend Grip FDE I'm looking for feed back, suggestions, ideas. This is my first build from scratch. Two things I'm not sure of are; will the clamp on gas block fit under the Alpha rail and should I go with something other than a standard carbine buffer? I plan to run both a red dot and a scope with QD mounts. I'm leaning towards a Aimpoint CompM4S and I haven't decided on a scope yet but it will be mounted in a LaRue SPR LT104. I will be doing a series on my Youtube channel about this build once I get all the parts. I will also share pictures on this thread as I go. Thanks! Bryant |
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Start with a better caliber than 5.56x45
Swap a Geissele SSA-E (or SD3G if you must have a single-stage) for the Wilson CTT. I have both, and the Geissele is superior. |
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For a build that much, I would want a nicer rail... Like a geiselle.
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I'm definitely going with 5.56/223 for this build. I do want a single stage trigger but I don't like Geissele's flat trigger face. Also, I want a little heavier trigger than 3 pounds. This is mainly a battle/fighting rifle but I would like it to also flex as a precision long range rifle also. My buddy has the Wilson trigger and I really liked it.
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Start with a better caliber than 5.56x45 Swap a Geissele SSA-E (or SD3G if you must have a single-stage) for the Wilson CTT. I have both, and the Geissele is superior. View Quote I'm definitely going with 5.56/223 for this build. I do want a single stage trigger but I don't like Geissele's flat trigger face. Also, I want a little heavier trigger than 3 pounds. This is mainly a battle/fighting rifle but I would like it to also flex as a precision long range rifle also. My buddy has the Wilson trigger and I really liked it. |
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Quoted: I'm definitely going with 5.56/223 for this build. I do want a single stage trigger but I don't like Geissele's flat trigger face. Also, I want a little heavier trigger than 3 pounds. This is mainly a battle/fighting rifle but I would like it to also flex as a precision long range rifle also. My buddy has the Wilson trigger and I really liked it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Start with a better caliber than 5.56x45 Swap a Geissele SSA-E (or SD3G if you must have a single-stage) for the Wilson CTT. I have both, and the Geissele is superior. I'm definitely going with 5.56/223 for this build. I do want a single stage trigger but I don't like Geissele's flat trigger face. Also, I want a little heavier trigger than 3 pounds. This is mainly a battle/fighting rifle but I would like it to also flex as a precision long range rifle also. My buddy has the Wilson trigger and I really liked it. That's why I like a 2-stage. In a combat situation you just pull the trigger - you'll never know the difference between a single-stage or a 2-stage. Shooting long-range for precision a 2-stage is a far better choice. If you want a little heavier pull, go with the SSA. |
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BCM KMR. Get one. View Quote I'm not sold yet on key mod. Still too early and Magpul is coming out with M lock so it may take over. The Alpha rail was one of the first things I bought and key mod wasn't around when I bought it. I really like the Alpha rail but I'm keeping an eye on the new stuff coming out. |
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That's why I like a 2-stage. In a combat situation you just pull the trigger - you'll never know the difference between a single-stage or a 2-stage. Shooting long-range for precision a 2-stage is a far better choice. If you want a little heavier pull, go with the SSA. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Start with a better caliber than 5.56x45 Swap a Geissele SSA-E (or SD3G if you must have a single-stage) for the Wilson CTT. I have both, and the Geissele is superior. I'm definitely going with 5.56/223 for this build. I do want a single stage trigger but I don't like Geissele's flat trigger face. Also, I want a little heavier trigger than 3 pounds. This is mainly a battle/fighting rifle but I would like it to also flex as a precision long range rifle also. My buddy has the Wilson trigger and I really liked it. That's why I like a 2-stage. In a combat situation you just pull the trigger - you'll never know the difference between a single-stage or a 2-stage. Shooting long-range for precision a 2-stage is a far better choice. If you want a little heavier pull, go with the SSA. I could be wrong on this but I always thought a single stage was optimal for precision and also better for high rate of fire? |
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I think you can get it done for well under 2 G’s w optic if you shop around
I just finished my “dream” long range style AR for right at 1700 …. I may upgrade later to a more powerful scope but the used one I just got is great for now |
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That's why I like a 2-stage. In a combat situation you just pull the trigger - you'll never know the difference between a single-stage or a 2-stage. Shooting long-range for precision a 2-stage is a far better choice. If you want a little heavier pull, go with the SSA. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Start with a better caliber than 5.56x45 Swap a Geissele SSA-E (or SD3G if you must have a single-stage) for the Wilson CTT. I have both, and the Geissele is superior. I'm definitely going with 5.56/223 for this build. I do want a single stage trigger but I don't like Geissele's flat trigger face. Also, I want a little heavier trigger than 3 pounds. This is mainly a battle/fighting rifle but I would like it to also flex as a precision long range rifle also. My buddy has the Wilson trigger and I really liked it. That's why I like a 2-stage. In a combat situation you just pull the trigger - you'll never know the difference between a single-stage or a 2-stage. Shooting long-range for precision a 2-stage is a far better choice. If you want a little heavier pull, go with the SSA. Exactly. What the original poster is describing - the SSA fits his needs perfectly. |
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Quoted: I could be wrong on this but I always thought a single stage was optimal for precision and also better for high rate of fire? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Start with a better caliber than 5.56x45 Swap a Geissele SSA-E (or SD3G if you must have a single-stage) for the Wilson CTT. I have both, and the Geissele is superior. I'm definitely going with 5.56/223 for this build. I do want a single stage trigger but I don't like Geissele's flat trigger face. Also, I want a little heavier trigger than 3 pounds. This is mainly a battle/fighting rifle but I would like it to also flex as a precision long range rifle also. My buddy has the Wilson trigger and I really liked it. That's why I like a 2-stage. In a combat situation you just pull the trigger - you'll never know the difference between a single-stage or a 2-stage. Shooting long-range for precision a 2-stage is a far better choice. If you want a little heavier pull, go with the SSA. I could be wrong on this but I always thought a single stage was optimal for precision and also better for high rate of fire? The purpose of a two stage is to meet total trigger pull weight requirements for competition, whilst allowing the final let off to be as low as possible. A 4 lb. single-stage requires 4 lbs. of pull. A 4 lb. 2-stage requires (for example) 2.5 lbs. to 'engage' the trigger, and 1.5 lbs. to 'release' it. The less pressure required to 'release' the trigger (actually, the sear engagement) the less pressure you have to apply to the gun, and the easier it is to maintain a good sight picture. |
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**UPDATE**
I now have: Rainier Raptor Strike Industries FDE dust cover Tubbs flat coil buffer spring KNS Anti Rotational Pins Noveske TRX QD sling mount (for the alpha rail) Spikes black mid length gas tube Battle Arms Development Ambi Safety I still need to get: Spikes cold hammer forged 16" mid length barrel. (the one they call there "Optimum profile") SLR Rifleworks Sentry 7 Clamp On Premium Adjustable Gas Block-Melonite (I'm not clear if the clamp on version will fit under the Alpha rail? I may have to get the set screw version.) Anybody know? Primary Weapon Systems enhanced buffer tube TangoDown Quick-Detach Stubby Vertical Forend Grip FDE And I'm still trying to decide between the Wilson Combat Tactical Trigger Unit 4 lb Single Stage and the Geissele SSA. Thanks for all the input so far! Bryant |
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The set screw version of the GB will fit, I am not sure if the clamp style will or not with that Troy.
Nothing wrong with a set screw block, if done properly |
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The set screw version of the GB will fit, I am not sure if the clamp style will or not with that Troy. Nothing wrong with a set screw block, if done properly View Quote Yeah, I was just hoping to go with the simpler clamp version if it fit. If I can't find out for sure I'll go with the set screw version. Thanks! |
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You have done your homework well and this is going to be a great rifle. Are their any local shops where you can compare the triggers? I went with the ALG ACT trigger on mine - $65 bux and nice and crisp. It's worth consideration. BTW, if you go with Giselle, they don't recommend the KNS anti-rolls. Not sure why, though.
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You have done your homework well and this is going to be a great rifle. Are their any local shops where you can compare the triggers? I went with the ALG ACT trigger on mine - $65 bux and nice and crisp. It's worth consideration. BTW, if you go with Giselle, they don't recommend the KNS anti-rolls. Not sure why, though. View Quote Yeah I ordered the KNS anti rotation pins yesterday and realized today that both Wilson and Geissele recommend not using them lol! Oh well, I guess I'll save em for a later build. I've got the TR Enabling Obsidian coated trigger that came with the lower parts kit and I'm definitely going to try that out but I will probably end up putting a premium trigger in eventually. I've gone back and forth but I'm kinda leaning toward the Geissele SSA now. Unfortunately, I don't have any way to try them both before buying. I thought my buddy had the same Wilson trigger I was considering but found out today that his is a different model. Thanks! Bryant |
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Just out of curiosity, what is the intent of your "dream rifle"? Precision rifle, all purpose rifle, SHTF rifle, casual plinker, etc.?
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Just out of curiosity, what is the intent of your "dream rifle"? Precision rifle, all purpose rifle, SHTF rifle, casual plinker, etc.? View Quote All of the above lol! I guess if I was to prioritize the roles I intend for this rifle to fill it would first be a fast light weight close range defensive rifle. Second, I hope it will be accurate enough to flex into a mid range 200-400 yard precision rifle. Third, it will be a fun gun to shoot, own, and tinker with. I plan to have a QD red dot and scope. Also, I plan to have a QD light, vertical forgrip, and bipod. Fast, light weight, and versatile. |
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All of the above lol! I guess if I was to prioritize the roles I intend for this rifle to fill it would first be a fast light weight close range defensive rifle. Second, I hope it will be accurate enough to flex into a mid range 200-400 yard precision rifle. Third, it will be a fun gun to shoot, own, and tinker with. I plan to have a QD red dot and scope. Also, I plan to have a QD light, vertical forgrip, and bipod. Fast, light weight, and versatile. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Just out of curiosity, what is the intent of your "dream rifle"? Precision rifle, all purpose rifle, SHTF rifle, casual plinker, etc.? All of the above lol! I guess if I was to prioritize the roles I intend for this rifle to fill it would first be a fast light weight close range defensive rifle. Second, I hope it will be accurate enough to flex into a mid range 200-400 yard precision rifle. Third, it will be a fun gun to shoot, own, and tinker with. I plan to have a QD red dot and scope. Also, I plan to have a QD light, vertical forgrip, and bipod. Fast, light weight, and versatile. If lightweight is in your criteria, you may want to consider a lightweight barrel. There are plenty of good all purpose CHF lightweight options out there (BCM or DD just to name a few). That would definitely shave some ounces off your build. If you want to keep the weight down even with a bipod attached, I'd throw in a recommendation for the Larue BRM-S/LT706 bipod/mount combo. |
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I'm opinionated and this post is meant is to helpful (*my disclaimer) , but generally myself (and most everyone that has access to a SBR lower) would tell you a 11.5" or 12.5" is ideal. With a $2000 budget for dream AR build you can get one, premium parts everywhere a 11.5 or 12.5" that includes the $200 tax stamp, and even a suppressor and the $200 stamp for it also. What I see proposed in this thread is only margionally better than a $700-800 midlength ar you can buy anywhere.
I recently build a SBR (Upper had a 12.5" Compass Lake barrel with a compass lake CLE 223 match chamber and they choped, pinned, and reparked a fsb for me, POF rail, WMD NiB BCG, Gunfighter CH) and (Lower had a ALG ACT Trigger, BCM Mod3 grip, Vltor stock) and it was cerakoted Tungsten and my parts were $713 and my tax stamp was $200 for a total of $914. I'm waiting on a Liberty Freedom Titianium 308 Suppressor that was $681 (suppressor, tax, +$200 tax stamp) than can be used on this and my 308s. |
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I'm opinionated and this post is meant is to helpful (*my disclaimer) , but generally myself (and most everyone that has access to a SBR lower) would tell you a 11.5" or 12.5" is ideal. With a $2000 budget for dream AR build you can get one, premium parts everywhere a 11.5 or 12.5" that includes the $200 tax stamp, and even a suppressor and the $200 stamp for it also. What I see proposed in this thread is only margionally better than a $700-800 midlength ar you can buy anywhere. I recently build a SBR (Upper had a 12.5" Compass Lake barrel with a compass lake CLE 223 match chamber and they choped, pinned, and reparked a fsb for me, POF rail, WMD NiB BCG, Gunfighter CH) and (Lower had a ALG ACT Trigger, BCM Mod3 grip, Vltor stock) and it was cerakoted Tungsten and my parts were $713 and my tax stamp was $200 for a total of $914. I'm waiting on a Liberty Freedom Titianium 308 Suppressor that was $681 (suppressor, tax, +$200 tax stamp) than can be used on this and my 308s. View Quote You are right. With the same money I could get into a suppressed SBR and maybe one day I will but I don't want that for my primary rifle mainly because it gives up too much velocity and range. Also, if I were to build a suppressed SBR I would probably do it in 300 Blackout. Thanks! Bryant |
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For $2000 I would go with a factory suppressed SBR.
$800 can get you a nice BCM complete lightweight upper with the KMR rail with either a CHF or enhanced fluted lightweight barrel http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-Upper-Receiver-Groups-with-KeyMod-KMR-s/174.htm Add a complete PSA MOE lower for less than $200 http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/catalog/product/view/id/2416/category/4284/ A geissle SSA E trigger will set you back another $200 That leaves you $400 (-$400 for the stamps) for a suppressor. You should be able to get a nice thread on 5.56 can for somewhere in that price range The advantages here are you are getting quality, factory parts from one of the better companies out there with one of the best and lightest rails on the market. A factory lower with MOE furniture and the best trigger. And an 11.5 upper with a small can on that upper will be a comparable weight and length of an m4 profile 16" |
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i have both the TTU and SSA trigger. I wouldnt worry too much about which to get, theyre different but youre not going to go wrong either way.
also, i think you have a pretty good grasp of what you want, just keep going forward with it. |
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i have both the TTU and SSA trigger. I wouldnt worry too much about which to get, theyre different but youre not going to go wrong either way. also, i think you have a pretty good grasp of what you want, just keep going forward with it. View Quote Thanks! I can't wait to get it built! Should have everything in the next 4 to 6 weeks. I've been slowly buying parts for close to two years. I've had plenty of time to think about what I want lol! |
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l but I don't want that for my primary rifle mainly because it gives up too much velocity and range. View Quote According to what you posted earlier in the thread the primary use was close quarters self defense, and secondary use precision work at 200-400yds. A quality 11.5-12.5" barrel gives up pretty much nothing to a 16" at that range, which is its secondary purpose. At close quarters a sbr lengh is a huge advantage, a suppressor is also, most self defense situations don't involve putting on hearing protection, and even a 16" length with a brake indoors even if you get the bad guy you may have hearing loss. Ironically you could probably SBR a lower, and build a 556 upper and a 300blk upper and get a suppressor for under under budget. |
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Here is a link to pictures of the completed build. I named her Veronica which means "Bringer of victory".
http://instagram.com/p/tk_xeVvhGS/?modal=true http://instagram.com/p/tk_xeVvhGS/?modal=true |
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https://www.facebook.com/CountryBoyPrepper/photos/a.516068325165510.1073741836.194416267330719/573701106068898/?type=1&theater
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDXSrSHIMbg&list=UUD4sFrJGnt-Lsa7WWjz5LtQ
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Thanks! Yours looks great as well. I've never heard of a 1 oz. buffer? Where can I get one and do you know how many clicks from closed you run your adj. gas block? Thanks!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCzGVBnUxT8&list=UUD4sFrJGnt-Lsa7WWjz5LtQ
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mall ninja style with the VFG lol
should have gone with a phase 5 tactical EBR v2 |
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I'm just going to give another vote for Keymod HG, I have a BCM KMR 13" and am going to use the Midwest Industries SSK-15" on my next. The KMR is insanely light
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Someday a keymod will be in your future.
I'm fairly confident that M-lock won't be taking over the industry because so many big names are doing it. If VLTOR, Noveske, BCM, Knight's Armament, MI, Quentin Defense, Parallax, Veriforce, Geissele, Daniel Defense, Primary Weapons Systems, Samson, and Troy quit making keymod, then there might be a shift toward MLock. I think the keymod system will probably be around for quite a while because it works. |
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