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Posted: 2/15/2015 11:14:58 PM EDT
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How does the FDE compare to Magpul? I've been thinking of getting one after I came across them the other day. Was leaning toward Samson, but with the $100 I save I can buy the vise blocks, and wrench I need and more. Don't mine the red circles, but the fde, is spot on for magpul. The grip is a magpul fde , this is the 15in Keymod one, I like is much better than 3 others I tried, (mi rainier and bcm) $150 on ebay 
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Posted: 2/15/2015 11:23:32 PM EDT
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Has anyone had issues with the screws sheering off in the handguard? I installed my 15 inch rail and 3 of the 4 mounting screws have pulled off. These were not torqued heavily at all.
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Posted: 2/16/2015 2:02:32 PM EDT
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I had issues with my before and I already contacted them for advise. They are currently looking into this situation as of now and we shuold be seeing improvment of the screws soon. They will replace the screws after proper document such as receipt and picture images. They sent out the replacement screws after providing them the information. How did your screws pulled off? isn't there 6 screws instead of 4?
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Has anyone had issues with the screws sheering off in the handguard? I installed my 15 inch rail and 3 of the 4 mounting screws have pulled off. These were not torqued heavily at all. |
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Posted: 2/16/2015 2:09:05 PM EDT
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Well I got the 15" Keymod rail in. Thing is nice for the price point. I'm going to hate to see this gun go back to it's owner, hopefully my friend will allow me visitation lol.
And I changed mine up a little too. 
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Posted: 2/16/2015 3:00:26 PM EDT
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I had issues with my before and I already contacted them for advise. They are currently looking into this situation as of now and we shuold be seeing improvment of the screws soon. They will replace the screws after proper document such as receipt and picture images. They sent out the replacement screws after providing them the information. How did your screws pulled off? isn't there 6 screws instead of 4? Quote HistoryQuoted:
I had issues with my before and I already contacted them for advise. They are currently looking into this situation as of now and we shuold be seeing improvment of the screws soon. They will replace the screws after proper document such as receipt and picture images. They sent out the replacement screws after providing them the information. How did your screws pulled off? isn't there 6 screws instead of 4? Quoted:
Has anyone had issues with the screws sheering off in the handguard? I installed my 15 inch rail and 3 of the 4 mounting screws have pulled off. These were not torqued heavily at all. Well they need to figure out a way to extract the broken screws out of the mounting collar. I have 2 stuck and tried extracting but got nothing. I'm gonna have to end up milling out the screws. They just pulled apart. Shitty screw casting. IMO they should be using some grade8 premium stuff like magpul uses.  " />
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Posted: 2/16/2015 3:17:09 PM EDT
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Don't mine the red circles, but the fde, is spot on for magpul. The grip is a magpul fde , this is the 15in Keymod one, I like is much better than 3 others I tried, (mi rainier and bcm) $150 on ebay http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk102/bofessional/received_10205771091416880.jpeg_zpsxcn8ga7h.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How does the FDE compare to Magpul? I've been thinking of getting one after I came across them the other day. Was leaning toward Samson, but with the $100 I save I can buy the vise blocks, and wrench I need and more. Don't mine the red circles, but the fde, is spot on for magpul. The grip is a magpul fde , this is the 15in Keymod one, I like is much better than 3 others I tried, (mi rainier and bcm) $150 on ebay http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk102/bofessional/received_10205771091416880.jpeg_zpsxcn8ga7h.jpg What length barrel do you have? I've got a 14.5" barrel with a YHM Slant Brake and the 13" UTG FF guard. I originally wanted to put the 15" on it but thought it'd cover too much of the brake. I'm still considering adding the 15" guard but was just curious if it'd look weird. I should just pull the trigger on one and see. Worst case I can sell it. |
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Posted: 2/16/2015 3:23:06 PM EDT
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Well they need to figure out a way to extract the broken screws out of the mounting collar. I have 2 stuck and tried extracting but got nothing. I'm gonna have to end up milling out the screws. They just pulled apart. Shitty screw casting. IMO they should be using some grade8 premium stuff like magpul uses. http://<a href=http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i439/Jhart1545/IMG_0733_zpsgxw7ve8x.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i439/Jhart1545/IMG_0750_zpslgdgns1i.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i439/Jhart1545/IMG_0751_zpsflwwylfl.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i439/Jhart1545/IMG_0752_zpsg4hn5efk.jpg</a>" /> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I had issues with my before and I already contacted them for advise. They are currently looking into this situation as of now and we shuold be seeing improvment of the screws soon. They will replace the screws after proper document such as receipt and picture images. They sent out the replacement screws after providing them the information. How did your screws pulled off? isn't there 6 screws instead of 4? Quoted:
Has anyone had issues with the screws sheering off in the handguard? I installed my 15 inch rail and 3 of the 4 mounting screws have pulled off. These were not torqued heavily at all. Well they need to figure out a way to extract the broken screws out of the mounting collar. I have 2 stuck and tried extracting but got nothing. I'm gonna have to end up milling out the screws. They just pulled apart. Shitty screw casting. IMO they should be using some grade8 premium stuff like magpul uses. http://<a href=http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i439/Jhart1545/IMG_0733_zpsgxw7ve8x.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i439/Jhart1545/IMG_0750_zpslgdgns1i.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i439/Jhart1545/IMG_0751_zpsflwwylfl.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i439/Jhart1545/IMG_0752_zpsg4hn5efk.jpg</a>" /> If you look back in this thread I had researched new screws. I even ordered a bunch but found they were just a tad short. When I get home I can look through my bin and grab the info off of them. I moved and have yet to unpack my gun stuff. |
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Posted: 2/16/2015 3:28:18 PM EDT
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If you look back in this thread I had researched new screws. I even ordered a bunch but found they were just a tad short. When I get home I can look through my bin and grab the info off of them. I moved and have yet to unpack my gun stuff. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I had issues with my before and I already contacted them for advise. They are currently looking into this situation as of now and we shuold be seeing improvment of the screws soon. They will replace the screws after proper document such as receipt and picture images. They sent out the replacement screws after providing them the information. How did your screws pulled off? isn't there 6 screws instead of 4? Quoted:
Has anyone had issues with the screws sheering off in the handguard? I installed my 15 inch rail and 3 of the 4 mounting screws have pulled off. These were not torqued heavily at all. Well they need to figure out a way to extract the broken screws out of the mounting collar. I have 2 stuck and tried extracting but got nothing. I'm gonna have to end up milling out the screws. They just pulled apart. Shitty screw casting. IMO they should be using some grade8 premium stuff like magpul uses. http://<a href=http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i439/Jhart1545/IMG_0733_zpsgxw7ve8x.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i439/Jhart1545/IMG_0750_zpslgdgns1i.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i439/Jhart1545/IMG_0751_zpsflwwylfl.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i439/Jhart1545/IMG_0752_zpsg4hn5efk.jpg</a>" /> If you look back in this thread I had researched new screws. I even ordered a bunch but found they were just a tad short. When I get home I can look through my bin and grab the info off of them. I moved and have yet to unpack my gun stuff. Sourcing the screws shouldnt be an issue for me it's gretting the damn rail off without completely messing everything up. the shitty part is i have a 3 gun match this weekend and was hoping to use the rifle in it. |
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Posted: 2/16/2015 3:31:00 PM EDT
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Sourcing the screws shouldnt be an issue for me it's gretting the damn rail off without completely messing everything up. the shitty part is i have a 3 gun match this weekend and was hoping to use the rifle in it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I had issues with my before and I already contacted them for advise. They are currently looking into this situation as of now and we shuold be seeing improvment of the screws soon. They will replace the screws after proper document such as receipt and picture images. They sent out the replacement screws after providing them the information. How did your screws pulled off? isn't there 6 screws instead of 4? Quoted:
Has anyone had issues with the screws sheering off in the handguard? I installed my 15 inch rail and 3 of the 4 mounting screws have pulled off. These were not torqued heavily at all. Well they need to figure out a way to extract the broken screws out of the mounting collar. I have 2 stuck and tried extracting but got nothing. I'm gonna have to end up milling out the screws. They just pulled apart. Shitty screw casting. IMO they should be using some grade8 premium stuff like magpul uses. http://<a href=http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i439/Jhart1545/IMG_0733_zpsgxw7ve8x.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i439/Jhart1545/IMG_0750_zpslgdgns1i.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i439/Jhart1545/IMG_0751_zpsflwwylfl.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i439/Jhart1545/IMG_0752_zpsg4hn5efk.jpg</a>" /> If you look back in this thread I had researched new screws. I even ordered a bunch but found they were just a tad short. When I get home I can look through my bin and grab the info off of them. I moved and have yet to unpack my gun stuff. Sourcing the screws shouldnt be an issue for me it's gretting the damn rail off without completely messing everything up. the shitty part is i have a 3 gun match this weekend and was hoping to use the rifle in it. You could try drilling them out and then retapping the collar. I know it's not ideal and it'd probably force you to use larger screws but it's an option. |
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Posted: 2/16/2015 3:58:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI have to drill the screw down far enough to slide the rail off. I put it in a drill press and vise with no luck. The drill bit keep walking. even with reeeeeaaalllly nice drill bits. I may have to go by a machine shop to do it. |
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Posted: 2/16/2015 5:08:52 PM EDT
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if you have a drill press get the correct size of this they wont walk if you clamp the upper down . I have a UTG barrel nut assemble if you need I've got $15 in it
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Posted: 2/16/2015 5:21:09 PM EDT
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if you have a drill press get the correct size of this they wont walk if you clamp the upper down . I have a UTG barrel nut assemble if you need I've got $15 in it I broke 3 of those last night. you can see the divot in the chewed up screw. |
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Posted: 2/16/2015 5:30:50 PM EDT
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I broke 3 of those last night. you can see the divot in the chewed up screw. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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if you have a drill press get the correct size of this they wont walk if you clamp the upper down . I have a UTG barrel nut assemble if you need I've got $15 in it I broke 3 of those last night. you can see the divot in the chewed up screw. Damn, I've never broke one, I'd try a centercutting end mill |
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Posted: 2/16/2015 5:44:33 PM EDT
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Damn, I've never broke one, I'd try a centercutting end mill Quote HistoryQuoted:
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if you have a drill press get the correct size of this they wont walk if you clamp the upper down . I have a UTG barrel nut assemble if you need I've got $15 in it I broke 3 of those last night. you can see the divot in the chewed up screw. Damn, I've never broke one, I'd try a centercutting end mill Plan is to slot with a dremel and flat blade it out. might have to get into the rail a smidge to do it, the shitty part is its on my 3gun rifle and i have a match this weekend. |
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Posted: 2/16/2015 7:36:14 PM EDT
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Would a screw extractor be of use?
I was considering a utg guard.... Maybe a grade 5 or 8 hex bolt would be in order here... |
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Posted: 2/16/2015 8:04:24 PM EDT
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Would a screw extractor be of use? I was considering a utg guard.... Maybe a grade 5 or 8 hex bolt would be in order here... me and a buddy have used 12 of these and neither of us have had a issue,all they have to be is snug, we do clean and add extra blue L/T |
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Posted: 2/16/2015 9:40:46 PM EDT
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Well they need to figure out a way to extract the broken screws out of the mounting collar. I have 2 stuck and tried extracting but got nothing. I'm gonna have to end up milling out the screws. They just pulled apart. Shitty screw casting. IMO they should be using some grade8 premium stuff like magpul uses. http://<a href=http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i439/Jhart1545/IMG_0733_zpsgxw7ve8x.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i439/Jhart1545/IMG_0750_zpslgdgns1i.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i439/Jhart1545/IMG_0751_zpsflwwylfl.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i439/Jhart1545/IMG_0752_zpsg4hn5efk.jpg</a>" /> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I had issues with my before and I already contacted them for advise. They are currently looking into this situation as of now and we shuold be seeing improvment of the screws soon. They will replace the screws after proper document such as receipt and picture images. They sent out the replacement screws after providing them the information. How did your screws pulled off? isn't there 6 screws instead of 4? Quoted:
Has anyone had issues with the screws sheering off in the handguard? I installed my 15 inch rail and 3 of the 4 mounting screws have pulled off. These were not torqued heavily at all. Well they need to figure out a way to extract the broken screws out of the mounting collar. I have 2 stuck and tried extracting but got nothing. I'm gonna have to end up milling out the screws. They just pulled apart. Shitty screw casting. IMO they should be using some grade8 premium stuff like magpul uses. http://<a href=http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i439/Jhart1545/IMG_0733_zpsgxw7ve8x.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i439/Jhart1545/IMG_0750_zpslgdgns1i.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i439/Jhart1545/IMG_0751_zpsflwwylfl.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i439/Jhart1545/IMG_0752_zpsg4hn5efk.jpg</a>" /> It looks like you way overtightened those screws. They should not have gouged those big circles around the screw holes |
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Posted: 2/16/2015 10:32:57 PM EDT
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It looks like you way overtightened those screws. They should not have gouged those big circles around the screw holes Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I had issues with my before and I already contacted them for advise. They are currently looking into this situation as of now and we shuold be seeing improvment of the screws soon. They will replace the screws after proper document such as receipt and picture images. They sent out the replacement screws after providing them the information. How did your screws pulled off? isn't there 6 screws instead of 4? Quoted:
Has anyone had issues with the screws sheering off in the handguard? I installed my 15 inch rail and 3 of the 4 mounting screws have pulled off. These were not torqued heavily at all. Well they need to figure out a way to extract the broken screws out of the mounting collar. I have 2 stuck and tried extracting but got nothing. I'm gonna have to end up milling out the screws. They just pulled apart. Shitty screw casting. IMO they should be using some grade8 premium stuff like magpul uses. http://<a href=http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i439/Jhart1545/IMG_0733_zpsgxw7ve8x.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i439/Jhart1545/IMG_0750_zpslgdgns1i.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i439/Jhart1545/IMG_0751_zpsflwwylfl.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i439/Jhart1545/IMG_0752_zpsg4hn5efk.jpg</a>" /> It looks like you way overtightened those screws. They should not have gouged those big circles around the screw holes I guarantee it wasnt over-tightened. If you look at the amount of material on the head and the shank and see how much isnt there you would understand its shitty screws. I had one sheer off using my pinky to tighten it, yes gouges but it you look one of the screw has a slight burr on the underside. |
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Posted: 2/16/2015 10:33:57 PM EDT
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double tap
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Posted: 2/17/2015 11:06:27 AM EDT
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What length barrel do you have? I've got a 14.5" barrel with a YHM Slant Brake and the 13" UTG FF guard. I originally wanted to put the 15" on it but thought it'd cover too much of the brake. I'm still considering adding the 15" guard but was just curious if it'd look weird. I should just pull the trigger on one and see. Worst case I can sell it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How does the FDE compare to Magpul? I've been thinking of getting one after I came across them the other day. Was leaning toward Samson, but with the $100 I save I can buy the vise blocks, and wrench I need and more. Don't mine the red circles, but the fde, is spot on for magpul. The grip is a magpul fde , this is the 15in Keymod one, I like is much better than 3 others I tried, (mi rainier and bcm) $150 on ebay http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk102/bofessional/received_10205771091416880.jpeg_zpsxcn8ga7h.jpg What length barrel do you have? I've got a 14.5" barrel with a YHM Slant Brake and the 13" UTG FF guard. I originally wanted to put the 15" on it but thought it'd cover too much of the brake. I'm still considering adding the 15" guard but was just curious if it'd look weird. I should just pull the trigger on one and see. Worst case I can sell it. I have 16" Barrel, but keep in mind the 15" UTG pro is actually 15.3" long (You may want to go with shorter one. I have not had any issues yet with the screws, although i have taken mine on and off 3 times. 
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Posted: 2/17/2015 10:24:16 PM EDT
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UTG is sending me a new rail but in the mean time how to get the rail off without messing it up too bad.
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Posted: 2/17/2015 11:04:17 PM EDT
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Mine fit well and I like it, no problems so far.
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Posted: 2/18/2015 9:45:22 AM EDT
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UTG isn't kidding when they say "super slim." A clamp on low profile block makes contact with the bottom of the rail. Moving on to set screws.
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Posted: 2/18/2015 10:47:58 AM EDT
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UTG is sending me a new rail but in the mean time how to get the rail off without messing it up too bad. It appears that they have heard you and others regarding the screws. I have been told that they are working to finalize a new type of screw replacements due to some users having issues with the original ones. It sounds as though its a confined issue, nonetheless they are working on it to satisfy those specific individuals and to overall improve the rail system in general for everyone. Nice. This thread seems to be the go to for anything UTG PRO related, I am sure we will start seeing screw comparison pics soon. Pics or it didn't happen everyone! |
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Posted: 2/18/2015 1:15:19 PM EDT
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It appears that they have heard you and others regarding the screws. I have been told that they are working to finalize a new type of screw replacements due to some users having issues with the original ones. It sounds as though its a confined issue, nonetheless they are working on it to satisfy those specific individuals and to overall improve the rail system in general for everyone. Nice. This thread seems to be the go to for anything UTG PRO related, I am sure we will start seeing screw comparison pics soon. Pics or it didn't happen everyone! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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UTG is sending me a new rail but in the mean time how to get the rail off without messing it up too bad. It appears that they have heard you and others regarding the screws. I have been told that they are working to finalize a new type of screw replacements due to some users having issues with the original ones. It sounds as though its a confined issue, nonetheless they are working on it to satisfy those specific individuals and to overall improve the rail system in general for everyone. Nice. This thread seems to be the go to for anything UTG PRO related, I am sure we will start seeing screw comparison pics soon. Pics or it didn't happen everyone! Michigan eh? Are you a leapers insider? Lol |
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Posted: 2/18/2015 1:25:01 PM EDT
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Those screws look pretty bad. Definitely not your fault.
As far as removing them goes you have probably 2 options for DIY without damaging the rail too badly: Try drilling them out, starting with a much smaller diameter drill bit and working your way larger until you can just see that you are breaking through to the threads. At that point you should be able to pick out the threads individually with a small pick or dental tool. It can be hard to get a drill to start, especially when the shaft of the screw is at an angle. In that case you can use a file or a Dremel to create a flat or dimple for the first drill bit. Don't be afraid to work the drill bit side to side a little to try to get the hole as centered as possible through the remaining screw shaft for the first few bit sizes. Once you get the first bit started the rest is pretty easy. The other option is to use one of the diamond coated Dremel bits and slowly grind away at the screw shaft until you can either pick, twist, or break the rest of it out. Usually this is not necessary, but if the screw is especially hard metal it may be the best option. I usually only have to resort to this when I break a tap off in a hole that I cannot twist out. The trick is to go slow, as the diamond coated bits tend to overheat and lose effectiveness if you try to go too fast. If you have access to a welder sometimes it is possible to center a nut over the broken screw and puddle weld through the middle of the nut to the screw shaft. Then you can just unscrew it with a wrench. This will probably cause some pretty bad heat discoloration on the handguard, though. Whatever you do, stay away from the magic broken screw removal devices you see around. Once you break one of those off in the hole you're in a real mess that typically only a machinist can resolve. |
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Posted: 2/18/2015 1:55:04 PM EDT
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Those screws look pretty bad. Definitely not your fault. As far as removing them goes you have probably 2 options for DIY without damaging the rail too badly: Try drilling them out, starting with a much smaller diameter drill bit and working your way larger until you can just see that you are breaking through to the threads. At that point you should be able to pick out the threads individually with a small pick or dental tool. It can be hard to get a drill to start, especially when the shaft of the screw is at an angle. In that case you can use a file or a Dremel to create a flat or dimple for the first drill bit. Don't be afraid to work the drill bit side to side a little to try to get the hole as centered as possible through the remaining screw shaft for the first few bit sizes. Once you get the first bit started the rest is pretty easy. The other option is to use one of the diamond coated Dremel bits and slowly grind away at the screw shaft until you can either pick, twist, or break the rest of it out. Usually this is not necessary, but if the screw is especially hard metal it may be the best option. I usually only have to resort to this when I break a tap off in a hole that I cannot twist out. The trick is to go slow, as the diamond coated bits tend to overheat and lose effectiveness if you try to go too fast. If you have access to a welder sometimes it is possible to center a nut over the broken screw and puddle weld through the middle of the nut to the screw shaft. Then you can just unscrew it with a wrench. This will probably cause some pretty bad heat discoloration on the handguard, though. Whatever you do, stay away from the magic broken screw removal devices you see around. Once you break one of those off in the hole you're in a real mess that typically only a machinist can resolve. This but use LEFT HAND drill bits. Harbor freight has a cheap set that I've had great success with removing stuck/broken screws |
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Posted: 2/18/2015 2:28:11 PM EDT
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UTG is sending me a new rail but in the mean time how to get the rail off without messing it up too bad. It appears that they have heard you and others regarding the screws. I have been told that they are working to finalize a new type of screw replacements due to some users having issues with the original ones. It sounds as though its a confined issue, nonetheless they are working on it to satisfy those specific individuals and to overall improve the rail system in general for everyone. Nice. This thread seems to be the go to for anything UTG PRO related, I am sure we will start seeing screw comparison pics soon. Pics or it didn't happen everyone! Michigan eh? Are you a leapers insider? Lol Headquarters for them is 20 minutes from where i live! They are just outside of Detroit! |
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Posted: 2/18/2015 2:30:37 PM EDT
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I have 16" Barrel, but keep in mind the 15" UTG pro is actually 15.3" long (You may want to go with shorter one. I have not had any issues yet with the screws, although i have taken mine on and off 3 times. http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk102/bofessional/20150217_100252_zpslhzqwpxk.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 2/18/2015 3:22:29 PM EDT
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Those screws look pretty bad. Definitely not your fault. As far as removing them goes you have probably 2 options for DIY without damaging the rail too badly: Try drilling them out, starting with a much smaller diameter drill bit and working your way larger until you can just see that you are breaking through to the threads. At that point you should be able to pick out the threads individually with a small pick or dental tool. It can be hard to get a drill to start, especially when the shaft of the screw is at an angle. In that case you can use a file or a Dremel to create a flat or dimple for the first drill bit. Don't be afraid to work the drill bit side to side a little to try to get the hole as centered as possible through the remaining screw shaft for the first few bit sizes. Once you get the first bit started the rest is pretty easy. The other option is to use one of the diamond coated Dremel bits and slowly grind away at the screw shaft until you can either pick, twist, or break the rest of it out. Usually this is not necessary, but if the screw is especially hard metal it may be the best option. I usually only have to resort to this when I break a tap off in a hole that I cannot twist out. The trick is to go slow, as the diamond coated bits tend to overheat and lose effectiveness if you try to go too fast. If you have access to a welder sometimes it is possible to center a nut over the broken screw and puddle weld through the middle of the nut to the screw shaft. Then you can just unscrew it with a wrench. This will probably cause some pretty bad heat discoloration on the handguard, though. Whatever you do, stay away from the magic broken screw removal devices you see around. Once you break one of those off in the hole you're in a real mess that typically only a machinist can resolve. This but use LEFT HAND drill bits. Harbor freight has a cheap set that I've had great success with removing stuck/broken screws I guess we all missed the part where we tried to drill them out with no success? |
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Posted: 2/19/2015 2:38:20 AM EDT
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I guess we all missed the part where we tried to drill them out with no success? No, I was just trying to suggest a different way to drill them out, i.e. using a smaller initial drill bit size and creating a flat or dimple to keep the bit from walking initially. From the looks of your pictures I would guess you started with a bit pretty close to the ID of the screw shank. Considering the screws broke as easily as they did, I would imagine drilling them out would be your best option. |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 3:37:04 PM EDT
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Guys using these with .75 barrels what has block are you using?
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Posted: 2/24/2015 4:22:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/25/2015 8:37:03 AM EDT
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I'm posting this here because it's the UTG thread. Does anyone know if this rail will fit over around a single railed gas block that has a sling ring on it? I've currently got a 7" UTG Pro Super Slim quad rail on it but kind of want a handguard that goes past the gas block.
And, no, removing the gas block to install a low profile one is not an option. I have a NJ compliant rifle with a 16" barrel and a pinned and welded brake. I'm not going through the trouble of cutting the brake off for a handguard. If this one won't work then I'll just stick with the one I have. UTG PRO Model4/15 15" Car Length SuperSlim Drop-in Handguard I don't see why it wouldn't work but I just want to make sure before I pull the trigger on it. |
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Posted: 2/25/2015 8:46:53 AM EDT
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I'm posting this here because it's the UTG thread. Does anyone know if this rail will fit over around a single railed gas block that has a sling ring on it? I've currently got a 7" UTG Pro Super Slim quad rail on it but kind of want a handguard that goes past the gas block. And, no, removing the gas block to install a low profile one is not an option. I have a NJ compliant rifle with a 16" barrel and a pinned and welded brake. I'm not going through the trouble of cutting the brake off for a handguard. If this one won't work then I'll just stick with the one I have. UTG PRO Model4/15 15" Car Length SuperSlim Drop-in Handguard I don't see why it wouldn't work but I just want to make sure before I pull the trigger on it. Looks like it should work. Most railed gas blocks are the same length as a FSB. Looks like it's a 2 or 3 piece set up, so no need to remove the current gas block. |
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Posted: 2/25/2015 8:59:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/25/2015 10:08:42 AM EDT
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Thanks. I figured it'd fit just wanted to get a second opinion on it. I was saying about removing the GB for a free floated not to install the two piece. I'd love to put one of the UTG Pro free floats on my Windham but I'm not about to cut the brake off. I put one of the FFs on my Spike's build and love it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm posting this here because it's the UTG thread. Does anyone know if this rail will fit over around a single railed gas block that has a sling ring on it? I've currently got a 7" UTG Pro Super Slim quad rail on it but kind of want a handguard that goes past the gas block. And, no, removing the gas block to install a low profile one is not an option. I have a NJ compliant rifle with a 16" barrel and a pinned and welded brake. I'm not going through the trouble of cutting the brake off for a handguard. If this one won't work then I'll just stick with the one I have. UTG PRO Model4/15 15" Car Length SuperSlim Drop-in Handguard I don't see why it wouldn't work but I just want to make sure before I pull the trigger on it. Looks like it should work. Most railed gas blocks are the same length as a FSB. Looks like it's a 2 or 3 piece set up, so no need to remove the current gas block. Thanks. I figured it'd fit just wanted to get a second opinion on it. I was saying about removing the GB for a free floated not to install the two piece. I'd love to put one of the UTG Pro free floats on my Windham but I'm not about to cut the brake off. I put one of the FFs on my Spike's build and love it. Take a piece of card stock and cut a 1.625 hole in it and see if it sldes over your setup, for future builds there are brakes that are made for a gas block to slide over |
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Posted: 2/25/2015 11:32:10 AM EDT
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I'm posting this here because it's the UTG thread. Does anyone know if this rail will fit over around a single railed gas block that has a sling ring on it? I've currently got a 7" UTG Pro Super Slim quad rail on it but kind of want a handguard that goes past the gas block. And, no, removing the gas block to install a low profile one is not an option. I have a NJ compliant rifle with a 16" barrel and a pinned and welded brake. I'm not going through the trouble of cutting the brake off for a handguard. If this one won't work then I'll just stick with the one I have. UTG PRO Model4/15 15" Car Length SuperSlim Drop-in Handguard I don't see why it wouldn't work but I just want to make sure before I pull the trigger on it. Looks like it should work. Most railed gas blocks are the same length as a FSB. Looks like it's a 2 or 3 piece set up, so no need to remove the current gas block. Thanks. I figured it'd fit just wanted to get a second opinion on it. I was saying about removing the GB for a free floated not to install the two piece. I'd love to put one of the UTG Pro free floats on my Windham but I'm not about to cut the brake off. I put one of the FFs on my Spike's build and love it. Take a piece of card stock and cut a 1.625 hole in it and see if it sldes over your setup, for future builds there are brakes that are made for a gas block to slide over I didn't even think of that. I'll give that a try before ordering the two piece 15" handgaurd. |
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Posted: 2/25/2015 12:52:16 PM EDT
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I see they have FDE cerakote hand guards.
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Posted: 2/26/2015 11:21:39 PM EDT
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Not much of a deal anymore. Can't find a 13" for under $140
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Posted: 2/26/2015 11:50:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/26/2015 11:52:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/27/2015 12:02:07 AM EDT
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Grabagun has term cheap. The fde matches magpul well.
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Not much of a deal anymore. Can't find a 13" for under $140 $109.98 shipped on ebay Or site vendor here for $109.99 shipped Thanks guys. Got in on this one even though I've never heard of them. Fingers crossed! |
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Posted: 2/27/2015 1:46:49 AM EDT
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https://www.exilemachine.net/shop/utg-pro-ar-13-super-slim-handguard-97773.html
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Posted: 2/27/2015 8:24:33 PM EDT
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What are the specs for screws? mm or standard? pitch? length? Maybe the supplied ones are too short? Seems like a trip to Ace hardware would help if you knew the screw specs.
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Posted: 2/27/2015 8:59:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/27/2015 10:34:24 PM EDT
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I recently installed a UTG grip for a bud of mine and had read this thread about the crappy screws. I had sourced some grade 8 from McMaster Carr and used thos.
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Posted: 2/27/2015 11:06:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/28/2015 9:28:28 AM EDT
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Any interest in a titanium barrel nut assembly for these?
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