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Posted: 11/12/2013 8:34:57 PM EDT
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Holy FUCKING DOG SHIT. this is literally one of the coolest things I have seen. I like how the selector moves to auto also.
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Posted: 11/12/2013 8:56:15 PM EDT
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Holy FUCKING DOG SHIT. this is literally one of the coolest things I have seen. I like how the selector moves to auto also. I know right? I'm frothing at the mouth. I want one bad. To hell with the SlideFire setup. This thing is bad to the bone! |
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Posted: 11/12/2013 9:37:20 PM EDT
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Looks interesting. It says ATF compliant/non-NFA but I wonder if they have an ATF letter? I predict a LOT of butt hurt and wailing and gnashing of teeth over this product.
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Posted: 11/12/2013 9:44:47 PM EDT
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Did they basically make it act like an overgassed reactive trigger on a tippman A-5 paintball gun. Basically, the trigger forces your finger forward and you just keep pulling the whole time?
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Posted: 11/12/2013 9:47:02 PM EDT
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I wouldn't mind having something like that, but I would only buy it at the gun show, with cash.
That way when they are declared illegal you can just smash it and not have to worry if the ATF took you off the list when they got it back or not. You and your dag will both sleep better |
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Posted: 11/12/2013 9:58:05 PM EDT
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I am super curious about this. I would almost guaranty that it has something to do with what looks some what like an trip. Look near the rear of the trigger below. 
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Posted: 11/12/2013 10:18:50 PM EDT
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USAutoWeapons is already selling 4 rifles with the trigger in it. All the upgrades, bells and whistles...NOT CHEAP. But beautiful weapons none the less. Check em out. A buddy of mine has one I just found out.
They'll be retailing for around $500 he said. |
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Posted: 11/13/2013 12:49:47 AM EDT
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I'm really looking forward to an update on this.
Just putting the selector to the rearward position gets me going. Also, this gives those people that have three position marked semi lowers something more to look forward to. I'm not digging the selector they show it coming with. I prefer the look of standard ones. I wonder if a standard M16 selector would work, and would it be legal? I mean, isn't this technically a 3 position M16 selector being put into a semi auto lower? |
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Posted: 11/13/2013 5:11:34 AM EDT
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$500 seems steep. I was expecting $299 or maybe $399. Hopefully the semi auto is a quality trigger too.
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Posted: 11/13/2013 5:51:39 AM EDT
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How about this, extra cost = $ 0.00, standard mill spec parts, ALG trigger...Go Skinny Joe !
A decent trigger, good training, well put together rifle will get it done...JMHO. Granted it does seem pretty nice and well made, but at $ 500 + ??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH0sKmH36qI |
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Posted: 11/13/2013 6:24:33 AM EDT
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Tagged. I'll have to wait until I'm home to watch the video.
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Posted: 11/13/2013 7:21:33 AM EDT
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interesting. I would have to see the approval letter before I put down the money for it, but I like what I see.
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Posted: 11/13/2013 8:07:20 AM EDT
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interesting. I would have to see the approval letter before I put down the money for it, but I like what I see. supposedly the weapons that are already shipping include a letter of approval from the ATF... I would still want to read it though. |
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Posted: 11/13/2013 9:49:03 AM EDT
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I think I just found my Christmas present to myself....depending on price of course
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Posted: 11/13/2013 10:10:58 AM EDT
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See topics on exact same thing for more info on said product in other sub forums , ar discussions, and rifles uppers barrles and more. Spam IMO
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Posted: 11/13/2013 7:05:14 PM EDT
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Did they basically make it act like an overgassed reactive trigger on a tippman A-5 paintball gun. Basically, the trigger forces your finger forward and you just keep pulling the whole time? It looks similar in theory to a reactive trigger from AGD or Tippmann. It keeps the "one shot per pull" requirement this way. From the pictures, I would assume that the lever looking device on the rear of the trigger is some sort of cam system, or whatever you might call it. When the carrier slams forward, it acts on the trigger, pushing it forward against your finger with more force than the springs alone. It would then disengage from the trigger as the bolt locks up, thus reducing the trigger pull to its normal weight. Keep steady pressure on the trigger, and it will simulate full-auto. I am sure there is a range of pressure that would work, explaining why some people seem to be getting higher cyclic rates. |
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Posted: 11/13/2013 10:46:37 PM EDT
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just handled one, switching to auto results in a shorter reset and the trigger does push forward as you cycle the action. However, I think you still need to let the trigger return a bit further than the auto assist before you engage the reset.
Autoweapons is charging more than a $1000 premium so I am surprised the trigger is even $500. http://usautoweapons.com/product.usm4-mode-3-select-fire-capable-650-rounds-per-minute-16-rifle-black-non-nfa-2 It seemed feasible and if it works as well as the video suggests, I wouldn't be surprised if they get banned one way or the other. With a slide fire, you really can't see criminals using it. But this thing seems to run well when running and gunning. |
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Posted: 11/14/2013 5:57:14 AM EDT
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just handled one, switching to auto results in a shorter reset and the trigger does push forward as you cycle the action. However, I think you still need to let the trigger return a bit further than the auto assist before you engage the reset. Autoweapons is charging more than a $1000 premium so I am surprised the trigger is even $500. http://usautoweapons.com/product.usm4-mode-3-select-fire-capable-650-rounds-per-minute-16-rifle-black-non-nfa-2 It seemed feasible and if it works as well as the video suggests, I wouldn't be surprised if they get banned one way or the other. With a slide fire, you really can't see criminals using it. But this thing seems to run well when running and gunning. One quick question. When you were cycling the weapon were you letting the bolt slam home while holding the trigger? Just curious and trying to get as much info as possible on this triggers method of operation. Thanks. |
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Posted: 11/14/2013 9:59:04 AM EDT
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I've never been a fan of the bump-fire stocks and whacky contraptions, but I have to say, kind of... do want!
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Posted: 11/14/2013 10:36:02 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/14/2013 10:39:52 AM EDT
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Thats pretty cool
 Not sure about ordering on with a CC, but F2F with cash, hell yeah.
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Posted: 11/14/2013 12:09:22 PM EDT
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Not near as fast as a full auto . Hell u can almost pull a good trigger that fast .
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Posted: 11/14/2013 12:14:00 PM EDT
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Not near as fast as a full auto . Hell u can almost pull a good trigger that fast . I've never tried to go that fast but I think I could shoot my sd3 trigger close to that and still not have to worry about anyone in orange named Bubba wanting to be my "good friend" |
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Posted: 11/14/2013 12:36:59 PM EDT
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I can't wait to try one out.
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Posted: 11/14/2013 1:51:10 PM EDT
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Not near as fast as a full auto . Hell u can almost pull a good trigger that fast . Thats what I thought too looking at the video but the rifle with the fcg installed is listed at 650+ rounds per minute. I can't squeeze off almost 11 rounds a second. Screwing around I was able to get 7 once. Usually its 5 or 6 and that is for a very short time. Definitely not long enough for a mag dump. Maybe some of you veteran shooters can do better but I havent even seen the pros shooting that fast. If they are doing it please post a link because I'd honestly enjoy watching that. |
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Posted: 11/14/2013 2:24:36 PM EDT
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Jerry Miculek raced a full auto on an episode of Sons of Guns once. Even he didn't win.
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Posted: 11/14/2013 6:16:41 PM EDT
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As a comparison, my beloved M60 was 550 RPM...so if this is 650, it's faster. I like the idea, but wouldn't be willing to risk $500 on something another bureaucrat will write a letter interpreting it as not being legal a year from now. Nice system of law, bureaucrats writing letters...
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Posted: 11/14/2013 7:32:11 PM EDT
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Thats what I thought too looking at the video but the rifle with the fcg installed is listed at 650+ rounds per minute. I can't squeeze off almost 11 rounds a second. Screwing around I was able to get 7 once. Usually its 5 or 6 and that is for a very short time. Definitely not long enough for a mag dump. Maybe some of you veteran shooters can do better but I havent even seen the pros shooting that fast. If they are doing it please post a link because I'd honestly enjoy watching that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not near as fast as a full auto . Hell u can almost pull a good trigger that fast . Thats what I thought too looking at the video but the rifle with the fcg installed is listed at 650+ rounds per minute. I can't squeeze off almost 11 rounds a second. Screwing around I was able to get 7 once. Usually its 5 or 6 and that is for a very short time. Definitely not long enough for a mag dump. Maybe some of you veteran shooters can do better but I havent even seen the pros shooting that fast. If they are doing it please post a link because I'd honestly enjoy watching that. they def did some editing on the video and slowed it down in parts for dramatic slow motion effect. |
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Posted: 11/14/2013 10:22:58 PM EDT
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I have run a semi auto MP5 clone at 450 on a timer. I am sure I could dig around the safe and probably find something that I could get up to 500 rpm.
But I think it would get pretty hard to run any semi auto much faster than 500 rpm unless you have some sort external crank. Once I found an interrupter to keep the hammer from following the bolt home, I got a 10/22 with a crank up to maybe 600 rpm. |
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Posted: 11/14/2013 10:36:53 PM EDT
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Gosh that is amazing.
Just not $500 amazing. |
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Posted: 11/14/2013 10:43:29 PM EDT
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I like the idea, but wouldn't be willing to risk $500 on something another bureaucrat will write a letter interpreting it as not being legal a year from now. My sentiments exactly. I think $500 is way too high personally.. For $250 I'd buy it though!! |
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Posted: 11/15/2013 6:06:41 AM EDT
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My sentiments exactly. I think $500 is way too high personally.. For $250 I'd buy it though!! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I like the idea, but wouldn't be willing to risk $500 on something another bureaucrat will write a letter interpreting it as not being legal a year from now. My sentiments exactly. I think $500 is way too high personally.. For $250 I'd buy it though!! Ditto. |
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Posted: 11/15/2013 6:18:09 AM EDT
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I like the idea, but wouldn't be willing to risk $500 on something another bureaucrat will write a letter interpreting it as not being legal a year from now. My sentiments exactly. I think $500 is way too high personally.. For $250 I'd buy it though!! Ditto. Nah. If it really does work at well as they say, and if I can get it to run in a dedicated .22, I will be happy to pay that much. |
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Posted: 11/15/2013 6:34:10 AM EDT
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Nah. If it really does work at well as they say, and if I can get it to run in a dedicated .22, I will be happy to pay that much. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I like the idea, but wouldn't be willing to risk $500 on something another bureaucrat will write a letter interpreting it as not being legal a year from now. My sentiments exactly. I think $500 is way too high personally.. For $250 I'd buy it though!! Ditto. Nah. If it really does work at well as they say, and if I can get it to run in a dedicated .22, I will be happy to pay that much. Does the bolt go back in 22's? If not i doubt it will work because it is the bolt that works the triggers action. |
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Posted: 11/15/2013 6:52:18 AM EDT
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Does the bolt go back in 22's? If not i doubt it will work because it is the bolt that works the triggers action. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I like the idea, but wouldn't be willing to risk $500 on something another bureaucrat will write a letter interpreting it as not being legal a year from now. My sentiments exactly. I think $500 is way too high personally.. For $250 I'd buy it though!! Ditto. Nah. If it really does work at well as they say, and if I can get it to run in a dedicated .22, I will be happy to pay that much. Does the bolt go back in 22's? If not i doubt it will work because it is the bolt that works the triggers action. In a way yes, but I am not really seeing how the mechanism works, as there are not many pictures of the trigger itself. The cam system at the rear of the trigger seems to be used to operate with the 3 position safety. It is hard to tell how the bolt interacts with the trigger itself. |
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Posted: 11/15/2013 7:07:20 AM EDT
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The more we hear about this, the less time I believe it's going to be legal.
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Posted: 11/15/2013 5:41:51 PM EDT
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I call this release fire.
Not sure about legality... but it is very simple on an AK and probably on an AR15 with an AK like trigger (such as a rock river's double stage - probably a standard trigger will work also) a tapped hole on the bottom side of a trigger with a screw will lift the disconnector to achieve the same thing. A less "permanent" solution could be a shim between the trigger and disconnector (cut a piece of a credit card... maybe double it up ?) in normal operation the aperture (the opening gap between the disconnector and trigger hook) must be slightly smaller than the hammer’s arresting pads. If not, the disconnector or trigger will fail to catch the hammer resulting in doubling, a released hammer on a loaded chamber, which is exactly what is happening here. 
tapped hole above where your index goes ? I have not tried this, but if the aperture is too large it could possibly slam fire that would be dangerous and illegal for sure! My understanding of semi is one round per trigger cycle meaning pull and release. I would not attempt it until I have a letter in hand. 
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Posted: 11/15/2013 9:29:24 PM EDT
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in normal operation the aperture (the opening gap between the disconnector and trigger hook) must be slightly smaller than the hammer’s arresting pads. If not, the disconnector or trigger will fail to catch the hammer resulting in doubling, a released hammer on a loaded chamber, which is exactly what is happening here. I believe this is incorrect. |
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Posted: 11/16/2013 6:32:50 AM EDT
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I like the concept, a much cleaner approach to the problem than the Slidefire stocks, and doesn't require practice with very expensive ammo and still not being certain of getting it down correctly, every time.
If only it didn't cost a new Glock. |
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Posted: 11/16/2013 6:46:51 AM EDT
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in normal operation the aperture (the opening gap between the disconnector and trigger hook) must be slightly smaller than the hammer’s arresting pads. If not, the disconnector or trigger will fail to catch the hammer resulting in doubling, a released hammer on a loaded chamber, which is exactly what is happening here. I believe this is incorrect. Maybe you should take the top cover and bolt carrier group of an AK one day and observe how the trigger group operates... I am sorry I could not be any clearer in describing the operation and relationship between the three components... |
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Posted: 11/16/2013 6:50:10 AM EDT
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Looks cool. High end maching and material costs alot of money to bring to production, so I can understand the price tag. I'd have to try one before dropping that much coin on one, first.
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Posted: 11/16/2013 6:55:57 AM EDT
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Looks cool. High end maching and material costs alot of money to bring to production, so I can understand the price tag. I'd have to try one before dropping that much coin on one, first. I believe that a lot of what the cost is can be attributed to R & D. People fail to understand that just developing a entirely new product can result in significant costs. |
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Posted: 11/16/2013 11:43:01 AM EDT
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I believe that a lot of what the cost is can be attributed to R & D. People fail to understand that just developing a entirely new product can result in significant costs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looks cool. High end maching and material costs alot of money to bring to production, so I can understand the price tag. I'd have to try one before dropping that much coin on one, first. I believe that a lot of what the cost is can be attributed to R & D. People fail to understand that just developing a entirely new product can result in significant costs. I agree! Good shit costs money! |
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Posted: 11/16/2013 2:35:59 PM EDT
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I saw it asked earlier but what are the thoughts on .22 and 9mm with this gadget? Would be perfect for my 9mm suppressed SBR.
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Posted: 11/16/2013 2:49:37 PM EDT
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I saw it asked earlier but what are the thoughts on .22 and 9mm with this gadget? Would be perfect for my 9mm suppressed SBR. I am thinking along the same lines but want to get one and throw it in the new Sig MPX |
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Posted: 11/16/2013 3:16:23 PM EDT
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So what happens when these sell out and the ATF changes their mind? They just come and take them?
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Posted: 11/16/2013 3:23:49 PM EDT
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I like the concept, a much cleaner approach to the problem than the Slidefire stocks, and doesn't require practice with very expensive ammo and still not being certain of getting it down correctly, every time. If only it didn't cost a new Glock. From what the Taccon guys have said, it does take practice. You can do it wrong. |
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Posted: 11/16/2013 3:24:19 PM EDT
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One reason it's $500 is about 15 minutes after they release it the plans will be on the internet......I'll wait.
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Posted: 11/16/2013 4:27:13 PM EDT
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Not near as fast as a full auto . Hell u can almost pull a good trigger that fast . That is exactly what I was thinking. |
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Posted: 11/17/2013 12:51:57 AM EDT
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So what happens when these sell out and the ATF changes their mind? They just come and take them? Negative. Speculation here but I have read that these triggers will be serialized. Currently this would be a situation of grandfathering, one could assume... Now, nothing logical is set in stone by any particular branch of Gov. but, that being said, it would likely be a grandfather or not to grandfather issue and I would go with the former. |
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