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swtxtitan
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Posted: 10/26/2010 12:19:24 PM
everything minus stripped lower...Best price on the web?
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Posted: 10/26/2010 12:31:58 PM
Probably Del-Ton

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Posted: 10/26/2010 12:36:58 PM
Here is the cheapest thing I have seen. I do not have any personal experience, but there is a lot of bad things said about this company on several forums.

Let the flames begin.
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Posted: 10/26/2010 1:19:33 PM
Originally Posted By seanhagerty:
Here is the cheapest thing I have seen. I do not have any personal experience, but there is a lot of bad things said about this company on several forums.

Let the flames begin.


I wouldnt buy from them based solely on the quality of their website.




Id much rather buy from a site sponsor that is KNOWN and reliable.
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Posted: 10/26/2010 1:57:56 PM
Id look into Del Ton. Great quality for the price.
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Posted: 10/26/2010 2:01:27 PM
Look at this:

“Contact us” at the top of the page:

E-mail: Sales@BlackthorneProducts.com
For Technical issues please e-mail your questions to: Sales@BlackthorneProducts.com
Call us at 952.232.5832 Monday - Friday, 12:00 - 4:00 Central
Mailing Address:
Blackthorne Products LLC, P. O. Box 2441, S. St. Paul, MN 55076-8441


“Contact us” at the bottom of the page:

AK Parts kits
PO Box 2441l
Inver Grove Heights, MN 55076
(952)232-5832

Does that give you any hints?
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Posted: 10/26/2010 2:08:43 PM
Blackthorne = Vulcan = Hesse = Junk
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Posted: 10/26/2010 3:00:48 PM
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Del-Ton $395 http://www.del-ton.com/AR_15_Barrel_Assembly_p/dt1029.htm

I just got this in a email from Del-Ton
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Posted: 10/26/2010 3:27:42 PM
Also Del-Ton gives a discount to ARFCOMers
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Posted: 10/26/2010 4:44:42 PM
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Originally Posted By seanhagerty:
Here is the cheapest thing I have seen. I do not have any personal experience, but there is a lot of bad things said about this company on several forums.

Let the flames begin.

This is Blackthorne Products. I've never dealt with them and have heard mixed reviews all over. Best to google them for reviews.
I'll be buying a DelTon M-4 kit and other items right from their site next month. They give a discount on everything to ARFCOM members.

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Posted: 10/27/2010 10:11:50 AM
Do you know what type or what % discount they give?
durabo
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Posted: 10/27/2010 10:35:43 AM
Originally Posted By tk_1999:
Do you know what type or what % discount they give?


Honestly... it doesnt matter what type of discount they give... they still will be your best bet as far as quality in that price range. You should consider the discount a bonus

But i think the discount is 10% off... from a quick google.
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Posted: 10/27/2010 10:45:25 AM
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So in my quest to build a good budget AR I did hours of pricing and repricing in order to find the best prices with quality parts. I kept these sites in hopes it may help someone else who who wants a AR but cannot spend a lot of money on one.

JSE Surplus Complete Upper $335.00
http://www.jsesurplus.com/custom16hbarmidlength1x9flattopuppercompletestandard-2.aspx

MOE Lower build kit $149.00
http://www.palmettostatearmory.com/598.php

Includes:
Magpul MOE stock
Magpul MOE trigger guard
Magpul MOE grip
Daniel Defense lower parts kit
Mil-spec buffer tube assembly

Palmetto State stripped lower $69.95
http://www.palmettostatearmory.com/1560.php


That is a total of $553.95 plus you will need sights and does not include shipping.
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Posted: 10/27/2010 10:57:45 AM
Originally Posted By ggp2jz:
So in my quest to build a good budget AR I did hours of pricing and repricing in order to find the best prices with quality parts. I kept these sites in hopes it may help someone else who who wants a AR but cannot spend a lot of money on one.

JSE Surplus Complete Upper $335.00
http://www.jsesurplus.com/custom16hbarmidlength1x9flattopuppercompletestandard-2.aspx

MOE Lower build kit $149.00
http://www.palmettostatearmory.com/598.php

Includes:
Magpul MOE stock
Magpul MOE trigger guard
Magpul MOE grip
Daniel Defense lower parts kit
Mil-spec buffer tube assembly

Palmetto State stripped lower $69.95
http://www.palmettostatearmory.com/1560.php


That is a total of $553.95 plus you will need sights and does not include shipping.


I believe Palmetto is having a 10% off sale right now.. i got in on that for all of the misc. parts to complete my current build.

And i think they are out of stripped lowers... grab a SAA one. From AIM - 59
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Posted: 10/27/2010 5:28:00 PM
You could buy the DPMS Oracle kit from Midway for $539.99 , then use their Promo Code 61010 to get $60 off the order. Total (without shipping) would be $479.
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Posted: 10/27/2010 5:41:23 PM

Originally Posted By tk_1999:
Do you know what type or what % discount they give?

About ten dollars on a kit. Makes a $465 kit $455

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Posted: 10/28/2010 10:04:25 AM
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i just finished my second blackthorne kit- a spr.the first was the m4 flat top. Both have been mated to a spikes tactical lower receiver. I will start by saying that I am an m16/ar-15 family certified armorer and, up till this point had only worked on colt rifles. the order process was very simple, online only. received shipping notice and tracking numbers withn hours of orders. both kits were received in less than 5 days. Upon intitially receiving the kits, i was less than impressed with the packaging- nothing fancy just a plain cardboard box,with upper wrapped in bubble wrap, stock in plastic bag, and lower parts kit in seperate bag. The quality, fit and finish of both kits seem to be on par with other rifles i have worked on. I did note in both kits that the roll pins that were received were crap and i replaced them with spare pins. All parts mated perfectly with the spikes tactical lowers. The m4 kit has a trigger comparable with others i have used, the spr kit's trigger breaks clean and crisp with a light trigger pull. the finish on both rifles are uniform without blemish or scratches. I have used the m4 kit extensively, firing several thousand rounds with it. I mounted a strikeforce red dot on it for testing, and use magpul pmags exclusively. I have not to date had any malfunctions, failure to feed, or fail to fire issues with this gun. I used it to qualify at an instructor school without a hiccup. I have yet to fire the SPR. My personal feeling's with regard to these kits are as follows: approach with an open mind. many people comment on items based upon what they read without actually owning them. I have had bad and good experiences with many different companies and am basing my opinion of blackthorne on my experience with them so far.....
1. fast easy order process
2. fast ups shipping and delivery.
3. quality seems to be good, functional, and servicable
Certainly if a person were to want to spend more on a kit there are hundreds of options out there, but if you are looking for an innexpensive kit to break into the ar community and get shooting, I have found no fault with blackthorne kits(other than the crap roll pins). A friend of mine also built one in a varmint configuration and fired hundreds of rounds at a groundhog shoot out to 300 yards plus without a problem.
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Posted: 10/29/2010 10:00:58 AM
You cant go wrong with Del-Ton. They make good products, fast shipping, and theyre cs is awsome.
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Posted: 10/29/2010 12:53:01 PM
Blackthorne is OK for someone who:

a. Has the time to go over the parts with a fine tooth comb when recieved, assemble the kit and shoot it within their return period. (5 days)

b. Has the patience to deal with their B.S. or the skills to simply fix a defective part.

c. Doesn't care if the parts might have a little extra paint or anodizing to hide blemishes 'a la' Century Arms. Mind you, CAI deals mostly with abused
surplus parts for their rifles while Blackthorne's parts are brand new.

d. Is aware of their quality control practices or lack thereof.

e. Doesn't have plans of one day selling their build.

f. Is fine with the fact that said company and its predecessors have burned a lot of their customers.

Just IMHO.

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Posted: 10/29/2010 2:32:21 PM
Originally Posted By SHIPSNIPE1:
Blackthorne is OK for someone who:

a. Has the time to go over the parts with a fine tooth comb when recieved, assemble the kit and shoot it within their return period. (5 days)

b. Has the patience to deal with their B.S. or the skills to simply fix a defective part.

c. Doesn't care if the parts might have a little extra paint or anodizing to hide blemishes 'a la' Century Arms. Mind you, CAI deals mostly with abused
surplus parts for their rifles while Blackthorne's parts are brand new.

d. Is aware of their quality control practices or lack thereof.

e. Doesn't have plans of one day selling their build.

f. Is fine with the fact that said company and its predecessors have burned a lot of their customers.

Just IMHO.



this.

don't give your business to people who don't deserve it.

And don't trust your life to shady companies. Whether your talking about in a self defense situation or a malfunction situation possibly causing a kaboom or something.

there is NO reason to buy a blackthorne kit. saving a few bucks shouldnt be worth your integrity or safety.
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Posted: 10/29/2010 9:52:52 PM
http://www.model1sales.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=208

$485
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Posted: 10/29/2010 10:23:41 PM
Your would do better putting money aside until until you can buy a quality kit from a trusted source. Any of the above advertisers would be fine.
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Posted: 10/30/2010 10:00:53 AM
Best deal going by far is a Stag Arms kit from LegalTransfers on the EE 614.00 shipped. Comes with everything to build a rifle except lower. Chrome lined barrel and even flipup rear sight.
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Posted: 10/30/2010 11:11:05 PM
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Originally Posted By SHIPSNIPE1:
Blackthorne is OK for someone who:

a. Has the time to go over the parts with a fine tooth comb when recieved, assemble the kit and shoot it within their return period. (5 days)

b. Has the patience to deal with their B.S. or the skills to simply fix a defective part.

c. Doesn't care if the parts might have a little extra paint or anodizing to hide blemishes 'a la' Century Arms. Mind you, CAI deals mostly with abused
surplus parts for their rifles while Blackthorne's parts are brand new.

d. Is aware of their quality control practices or lack thereof.

e. Doesn't have plans of one day selling their build.

f. Is fine with the fact that said company and its predecessors have burned a lot of their customers.


Just IMHO.


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In my experience their parts and kits are worth less than what they charge for them as too many critical parts are out of spec junk. If an entire upper receiver is out of spec your out $100 bucks. If a barrel has an oversize gas port or chamber, your out a barrel. I don't see how their doing anyone favors with their pricing.



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Posted: 10/31/2010 11:40:56 AM
Anyone heard about or dealt with KB Design & MFG? The have a $460 heavy barrel rifle kit. Page 63 of the newest Shotgun News.
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Posted: 10/31/2010 1:13:15 PM
If it were me I would from one of the fantastic manufacturers that sponsor this board. They frequently post in the industry board and will be glad to resolve any issues you have. They actually want your return business, not to sell you one kit
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