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Posted: 3/4/2017 10:59:53 PM EDT
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Some discussion of the yet-to-be-seen-in-the-flesh HL-X
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Posted: 3/9/2017 11:31:58 PM EDT
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Looking at getting one for my Daniel Defense M4, What do people think of them? An is the 2 worth going with over the 1 for HD rifle? I went with the 1 battery model. Plenty of light with a single CR-123A battery, lighter, more compact. I mounted it with the tape switch on top, for ambi activation, and pushed well forward and up with a Thorntail Scout mount. Love it so far. 
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Posted: 3/10/2017 2:21:59 AM EDT
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I decided to go with the Streamlight mount 1 with a magpul mlok Offset Light Mount.
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Posted: 3/10/2017 9:55:03 PM EDT
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I put a 2 on my (now) backup 6920 and another 2 on my Beretta 1301. Not many rounds on the light in the Colt but the shotgun lights has held up great for 500-600 rounds of buck and slugs and another 1000 birdshot.
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Posted: 3/12/2017 8:46:59 AM EDT
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I like them. Planning to sell my older Surefire Classic Series barrel lights & upgrading to them.
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Posted: 3/20/2017 11:32:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/20/2017 11:34:05 PM EDT
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I decided to go with the Streamlight mount 1 with a magpul mlok Offset Light Mount. I'm thinking of doing something similar. |
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Posted: 3/21/2017 6:50:27 PM EDT
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Any chance you can post a pic? I'm thinking of doing something similar. 
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Posted: 3/21/2017 6:55:36 PM EDT
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Only critique i have is once you have the placement of everything where you like it...toss some more zip ties on that.
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Posted: 3/21/2017 7:20:16 PM EDT
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Only critique i have is once you have the placement of everything where you like it...toss some more zip ties on that. |
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Posted: 3/21/2017 7:56:36 PM EDT
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I have a RM1 & RM2 on the way.
Now watch, as soon as they arrive, the HL-X model will become available 
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Posted: 3/21/2017 8:20:41 PM EDT
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I have a RM1 & RM2 on the way. Now watch, as soon as they arrive, the HL-X model will become available |
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Posted: 3/21/2017 9:08:28 PM EDT
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I tried to find out, was if the HL-X type weapon lights increase in output, was also going to have a change to the RM-1, giving that one higher lumens as well.
I found nothing mentioned about it. If there was a chance, the LED would be getting upgraded to allow higher output. With an LED upgrade, 500 lumen coming from the RM-1 is do-able. Likely more output than that and still have longevity of juice. |
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Posted: 3/22/2017 6:02:41 PM EDT
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My RM-1 arrived today. I was "going too" install it on my Haley Strategic Thorntail, but there's a slight problem.
The Thorntail, being so tight to the rail at a 45° angle to the top rail, does not allow this mounting method. When the RM-1 is mounted, the light contacts the MBUS actuator, and restricts bolting the HS mount in place. SHIZ!! Time to re-group and find a different mount! 
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Posted: 3/23/2017 9:11:59 AM EDT
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My RM-1 arrived today. I was "going too" install it on my Haley Strategic Thorntail, but there's a slight problem. The Thorntail, being so tight to the rail at a 45° angle to the top rail, does not allow this mounting method. When the RM-1 is mounted, the light contacts the MBUS actuator, and restricts bolting the HS mount in place. SHIZ!! Time to re-group and find a different mount! I realize you have an MBUS. Maybe you could move it back one rail slot or try different location for the Thorntail. Don't give up. Try experimenting with rail slot locations to eliminate the interference. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 12:07:25 PM EDT
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Where is your Thorntail? I put mine at the right side front rail slot. The RM-1 ended up nicely nestled alongside the A2 FSB as in my photo above. I realize you have an MBUS. Maybe you could move it back one rail slot or try different location for the Thorntail. Don't give up. Try experimenting with rail slot locations to eliminate the interference. 
Another option I looked at is the PLM-D Mount. But (sorry Frank) I don't think the idea is very well thought out. |
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Posted: 3/24/2017 3:06:21 AM EDT
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They are a good economical alternative to the SF scouts, and for most people, will deliver.
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Posted: 3/24/2017 8:29:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/25/2017 9:56:53 AM EDT
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Don't know if I'd trust an RM-1 or RM-2 on a deployment, but I own both and so far both have been 100%. For a budget light I can find little to fault w/it.
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Posted: 3/25/2017 11:41:27 AM EDT
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After taking the RM-1 light apart for a quality check, they are what they claim to be, a budget light.
I see them as alternatives in rotation. Inside the head, a XPG LED, very small wires, aluminum heat sink. And plastic retainers. And it's not a wonder the light flickers on recoil, the dual-fuel, two-step spring inside the tube, barely touches the CR123 button head. Here's a couple images. 
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Posted: 3/25/2017 2:26:43 PM EDT
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There's a pretty comprehensive review including video addressing the flickering under recoil rumor on TOS.
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Posted: 3/25/2017 6:28:36 PM EDT
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There's a pretty comprehensive review including video addressing the flickering under recoil rumor on TOS. |
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Posted: 3/26/2017 12:53:39 AM EDT
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There's a pretty comprehensive review including video addressing the flickering under recoil rumor on TOS. 
There is plenty of info found by searching Google, though the video was plenty, along with other verbal commentary to back it up. My take on the flicker is most didn't notice it, and it didn't cause any failure to mention. |
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Posted: 3/26/2017 8:22:25 AM EDT
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I found a flicker/recoil test on Youtube that was extreme to represent recoil of an m4, but could find nothing relative to TOS. There is plenty of info found by searching Google, though the video was plenty, along with other verbal commentary to back it up. My take on the flicker is most didn't notice it, and it didn't cause any failure to mention. Tomac |
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Posted: 3/26/2017 6:51:48 PM EDT
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Recently did a night shoot w/a good friend who was using an RM-1. If his light flickered at all during the 100+ rds he fired, I didn't see it. Tomac |
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Posted: 4/11/2017 10:41:20 PM EDT
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My RM-1 arrived today. I was "going too" install it on my Haley Strategic Thorntail, but there's a slight problem. The Thorntail, being so tight to the rail at a 45° angle to the top rail, does not allow this mounting method. When the RM-1 is mounted, the light contacts the MBUS actuator, and restricts bolting the HS mount in place. SHIZ!! Time to re-group and find a different mount! |
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Posted: 4/11/2017 10:56:46 PM EDT
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I clipped off the lip on the right side of the MBUS lever. Works great now. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 12:53:55 AM EDT
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I tried the Thorntail and was not happy. So I ordered the Arisaka mount made specifically for the VTAC slots.
That worked, after I clipped off the left tab of the sight. Then I clipped off the right side of the sight, and tried it there using the remote switch. I still was not happy. The whole works come off and back into their packaging. I ordered a Surefire X300u-b. It's mounted at 12 o'clock Now I'm satisfied
My gut feeling told me to step up to the plate in the first place. I procrastinated due to the cost. Now it's a done deal. I picked up a PKDL PRX (Rocket-550lm) at the same time. It's a nice light. I'm not sure what that will go on. 
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Posted: 4/12/2017 7:36:47 AM EDT
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I tried the Thorntail and was not happy. So I ordered the Arisaka mount made specifically for the VTAC slots. That worked, after I clipped off the left tab of the sight. Then I clipped off the right side of the sight, and tried it there using the remote switch. I still was not happy. The whole works come off and back into their packaging. I ordered a Surefire X300u-b. It's mounted at 12 o'clock Now I'm satisfied
My gut feeling told me to step up to the plate in the first place. I procrastinated due to the cost. Now it's a done deal. I picked up a PKDL PRX (Rocket-550lm) at the same time. It's a nice light. I'm not sure what that will go on. http://imgdump4.novarata.net/image.uploads/11-04-2017/original-8139bc1948a3e5bd9b892a7fff0b1a90.jpg |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 9:20:07 AM EDT
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Necessity is the mother of invention. Good solution. Glad it worked out. You will like the combo. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I clipped off the lip on the right side of the MBUS lever. Works great now. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 9:21:29 AM EDT
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I tried the Thorntail and was not happy. So I ordered the Arisaka mount made specifically for the VTAC slots. That worked, after I clipped off the left tab of the sight. Then I clipped off the right side of the sight, and tried it there using the remote switch. I still was not happy. The whole works come off and back into their packaging. I ordered a Surefire X300u-b. It's mounted at 12 o'clock Now I'm satisfied
My gut feeling told me to step up to the plate in the first place. I procrastinated due to the cost. Now it's a done deal. I picked up a PKDL PRX (Rocket-550lm) at the same time. It's a nice light. I'm not sure what that will go on. http://imgdump4.novarata.net/image.uploads/11-04-2017/original-8139bc1948a3e5bd9b892a7fff0b1a90.jpg 
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Posted: 4/12/2017 1:34:59 PM EDT
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Couldn't you have moved the front sight back one rail slot and put the Thorntail mount in front of it? Or installed a slimmer front folding sight? Sems like an extreme solution to what was only a mount mount issue. Not having side rails would have me installing a short piece. That's not what I wanted. So I bought the Arisaka mount. The Arisaka put the light in perfect position at 11 or 1, but I had to kick the front sight more than planned. The more I focused on getting the head of the light out of the muzzle blast area, the further everything had to move back and I was losing gripping area. And sight radius. This is when I took it all off and got the X300. My OCD wins again. Here's a visual. 
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Posted: 4/12/2017 4:40:02 PM EDT
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The problem I was having is a mix of hand guard, barrel, muzzle brake. I wanted to keep the head of the RM-1 behind the MB. Not having side rails would have me installing a short piece. That's not what I wanted. So I bought the Arisaka mount. The Arisaka put the light in perfect position at 11 or 1, but I had to kick the front sight more than planned. The more I focused on getting the head of the light out of the muzzle blast area, the further everything had to move back and I was losing gripping area. And sight radius. This is when I took it all off and got the X300. My OCD wins again. Here's a visual. http://imgdump4.novarata.net/image.uploads/12-04-2017/original-3b210cd8a420ddd101de16966c05a949.jpg I do think the combo of the Thorntail and the RM-1 offset to the left or right with a top mounted ambi tape switch will work well for most of us. Thanks for the feedback. |
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Posted: 7/1/2017 1:34:52 AM EDT
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Thinking anout a RM1 too instead of the SF 300. Even though I trust SF more, it's is a little over 4x the price of the RM1. Ouch.
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Posted: 7/11/2017 11:53:24 PM EDT
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There's now a shitload of departments running these things across the country, the 1000 lumen version is a lot bigger than the RM2 but damn it's incredible, I havent heard any reports of failures or returns on any of these, mine have all been bombproof so I'll keep running them, streamlight has made it very hard for LE agencies issuing these and individual officers buying them for themselves to spend double on the SF scout when these things are performing the way they are. I'll get another update on how these lights are doing nationally at NTOA in a few months.
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Posted: 7/12/2017 4:59:14 AM EDT
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Went ahead and picked up a RM1. The SF Scout is 4x the price with the pad, ouch.
Anyways, currently test mounted it on a DD MFR 9.0 rail with the Arisaka mount. Tried the 1:30 position and didn't like the shadow the sup produced. 3 even worse. Have mine mounted at 6. Still need to fire it to make sure it'll work. The spill isn't great, but usable. I like the big smooth spill of my TNVC(iirc) assembly on the SF 6P. Maybe there will be new LED modules for the RM1 down the road. |
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Posted: 7/12/2017 5:35:58 AM EDT
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I have had one a couple months now. Haven't actually slapped it on a gun, just used it for work.gets hot as hell. Eats batteries pretty fast. You're gonna want to get a rechargeable battery and charger. I got a car charger since they're half the cost of home chargers.
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Posted: 7/12/2017 7:44:02 AM EDT
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I bought 3 Pro-tac 1s for my 3 rifles. I went with that model not because of price but because it can use either 1 CR123 (at 350 lumens) or 1 AA (at 150 lumens).
If I wanted likens only then HL-X all the way, but I purposely wanted the practical choice that allows me to run either types of battery in a pinch. At the end of the day, I'll take practicality over lumens. Plus 350 lumens is pretty decent for a single cell light. |
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Posted: 7/12/2017 11:33:24 AM EDT
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Last night I tested the 1000 lumen HLX right next to the RM2 and I gotta say there isnt a massive difference, RM2 definitely has a tighter more focused beam like surefire which I prefer, the HLX has at least 20% more spill and a less focused hot spot and a little bit more brightness overall, is it worth the size increase over the RM2?
In my opinion it depends what your doing, if you want distance no, if you want more intensity and a wider throw then yes. |
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