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Posted: 6/25/2017 5:36:30 PM EDT
was looking at building a recce style ar and was looking at the trijicon accupower/points in 1-4 but with all the newer offerings out in 1-6 and 1-8 is it even worth getting 1-4 anymore?
was thinking about the trijicon 1-8 but damn it looks big and heavy for a 16" carbine. |
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The accupoint is huge to me, more of a 308 scope. Still love both of my 1-4's
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was looking at building a recce style ar and was looking at the trijicon accupower/points in 1-4 but with all the newer offerings out in 1-6 and 1-8 is it even worth getting 1-4 anymore? was thinking about the trijicon 1-8 but damn it looks big and heavy for a 16" carbine. View Quote The Kahles 1-6 or Vortex Razor HD Gen 2 1-6 are the best variable power optics you can get. I'm putting one of those on each of my rifles as money allows. |
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It depends on the price point and feature list. For a general purpose optic I think the Steiner P4Xi offers at lot at around the roughly $500 price point that they tend to be at. The Accupower 1-4 is a nice scope but at $650 (non MAP price IIRC) you're probably starting to push it but coming in with a decent optic. I f you're talking about $1200 1-4s just say no and go with the above mentioned Razor.
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If you don't mind the weight... go for it... no free lunch...more magnification...more weight.
for the money,, the Steiner 1-4 is a excellent choice... think of your AR and what you want to do with it and then choose wisely. |
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You save weight at the cost of magnification. Higher magnification also usually equates to more $. I like my 1-4x but wish it could go to 6x. I think a 1-6x is a 16" 5.56 perfect optic range
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not really a weight savings junkie for this build so i guess ill go for the trijicon 1-8.
Anyone know of any opticsplanet savings codes? or better prices than the $1440 at OP? |
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just about every sale dsg has the accupower 1-8 for 1150.I missed buying one friday by about 12 hours since I didn't check my email for a week lol.
Ive had tons of 1-4's that include the Trijicon accupower and the Nightforce and my favorite out of all of them is the Steiner honestly.So much so that ive ordered a 2nd one. |
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The Kahles 1-6 or Vortex Razor HD Gen 2 1-6 are the best variable power optics you can get. I'm putting one of those on each of my rifles as money allows. View Quote |
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If this is not your home defense or bug-out SHTF rifle just get a PA 1-6 or 1-8x to try for feel. Some rifles just beg +10x magnification and you be better served not spending all your money to find out.
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I grabbed a 1-4x PST because I didn't want the extra weight, cost and smaller exit pupil of the 6 and 8x offerings.
It's on a basic 16" m4 type rifle shooting 0 to 400yds, for which 4x is plenty. |
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The red triangle Accupoint is one of my favorite optics of all time. They can be had a reasonable prices on the EE.
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I really like the Accupower 1-4 with the red segmented reticle...don't need anymore magnification than that for my purposes.
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Try the Steiner. If your mil or first responder you can get it from day for 458
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I sold my Accupower 1-4 "Green" reticle and replaced it with the Steiner P4Xi. The Accupower has a nice reticle but I wanted something daylight bright and the Steiner more than fills that. I actually like the uncluttered Steiner reticle better also. If Trijicon made the Accupower with a Steiner reticle, I think it would have been a great option. YMMV
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I run a 1-8X (PA Platinum) on my 3-Gun rifle and absolutly love it. The combination of optic and rifle is pretty damn close to magic on a race gun.... However...
I don't think a 1-8X is a good choice on an "all-around" rifle. A 1-8X comes at a significant size and weight penalty, which I'm OK with because the pay-off is worth it in this role, and the eye-box of all the 1-8's are very tight. I like the 1-8X because in 3-Gun there's a lot of shit like 4" poppers hidden in the weeds at 300 meters. That being said, my strategy on a long range stage is to start at the lowest magnification I can get away with and then swing the lever to 8X when I absolutly have to because otherwise it takes too long to acquire targets. My "go-to" rifles generally wear 1-4X's as they're just more flexible. I bought a handful of the Stiener Military 1-4's on close-out. If I were to buy new optics, I might look at up to 1-6X magnification on the high end, but I have no issue making hits on C-Zones at 500 meters with a 1-4. |
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The Trijicon 1-8x w/ Geissele mount on a 16" carbine: https://i2.wp.com/www.gunsandtech.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/trijicon_1-8x_05.jpg?w=1000 Not too bad on the size but it does add a bit of weight to it. View Quote |
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ended up ordering the trijicon 1-8 in red/mil.
got some 34mm rings coming from larue to fit my lt104 for it. scope delivery is tomorrow....ring delivery, i have no idea lol. |
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Theres some perks for the 1x4s but most are older tech. 1x6 is pretty much the sweet spot now. 1x8s are the leading edge but there's generally trade offs with price, weight, and/or optical characteristics. Good 1x8s are slick, but pricy and heavy. As always, you don't always get what you pay for but you generally pay for what you get!
In a couple years 1x8s will probably be middle of the road. |
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It depends on how you feel about weight and money. I don't like much weight above the bore of an AR. They start to feel very top heavy to me with scopes that weigh a pound or more. I'm also kind of cheap, so I have 1-4x and 2-7x for the short to medium range role role. With cost as no object, I would be interested in Leupold's VX6 1-6x with the firedot. It's still about 1/4 lb heavier than the VXR 2-7x, though. While not as easy as 1x, the 2-7x still works fine for me in timed, short range stages.
I wonder if 1-8x will stay around. They're so heavy, and the difference between 6x and 8x for practical uses isn't that significant. And for paper punching, you want more than 8x anyway. |
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Too me, 8x is overkill on a 5.56mm rifle.. 1-4x-1-6x is the maximum I would go... if I need to shoot something beyond 500-600 tys... I have better clubs in the bag for that shot...
That's why I'm a big fan of LPV with a BDC...follow up shots on a AR platform with 30 rds is easy.... if I'm doing math.. then its for a shot well beyond that range.. |
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Too me, 8x is overkill on a 5.56mm rifle.. 1-4x-1-6x is the maximum I would go... if I need to shoot something beyond 500-600 tys... I have better clubs in the bag for that shot... That's why I'm a big fan of LPV with a BDC...follow up shots on a AR platform with 30 rds is easy.... if I'm doing math.. then its for a shot well beyond that range.. View Quote |
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Considering cost and weight, the 1-4x optics still have a niche that they fill and fill well.
They give up a little bit at extended ranges on targets that are 10 inches in diameter or smaller. If you are shooting at silhouette targets and weight is a concern I think they can be just right. The Steiner P4Xi looks very good. |
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Considering cost and weight, the 1-4x optics still have a niche that they fill and fill well. They give up a little bit at extended ranges on targets that are 10 inches in diameter or smaller. If you are shooting at silhouette targets and weight is a concern I think they can be just right. The Steiner P4Xi looks very good. View Quote |
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There have been times I wished my 1-4x would push a little further. 6x is good View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Too me, 8x is overkill on a 5.56mm rifle.. 1-4x-1-6x is the maximum I would go... if I need to shoot something beyond 500-600 tys... I have better clubs in the bag for that shot... That's why I'm a big fan of LPV with a BDC...follow up shots on a AR platform with 30 rds is easy.... if I'm doing math.. then its for a shot well beyond that range.. As a General purpose rifle 4-5X does the job well... for my civilian needs... |
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I have a vortex razor hd genII 1-6x and love it. Prob going to replace my aimpoint on my other rifle with the Steiner 1-4x. For around $450 you just can't beat it, and the glass is on par with my razor
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I have a vortex razor hd genII 1-6x and love it. Prob going to replace my aimpoint on my other rifle with the Steiner 1-4x. For around $450 you just can't beat it, and the glass is on par with my razor View Quote |
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