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Posted: 6/6/2016 11:53:48 AM EDT
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I have to agree. I was considering an Acog however this is beyond tempting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dadgummit! I wish I didn't see this. This scope is hard to resist. I have to agree. I was considering an Acog however this is beyond tempting. Waiting on the M-332 at Midway USA ....too good to pass up 
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Posted: 6/6/2016 9:01:29 PM EDT
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If those have the same optical design as the Burris model, then it does have ocular adjustment.
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Posted: 6/7/2016 12:14:14 AM EDT
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Did some digging today and apparently it's called the BOS (battle optic sight) in Germany. I found this article (my phone translated it)
http://spartanat.com/2015/12/review-steiner-battle-optic-sight-bos-5x36/ Looks like they must be importing them and just relabeing them as "Steiner Combat Scopes" .... or maybe part of the assembly happens here ... who knows but I want to try one |
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Posted: 6/7/2016 9:09:29 AM EDT
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Couldn't read the article...but there was some English
Damit man immer einen scharfen Durchblick hat Sounds like someone was mad cause he didn't get his damn Durchblick hat? 
Not sure what a Durchblick hat is but I want one. |
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Posted: 6/8/2016 12:46:10 PM EDT
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Anyone brave enough to drop test theirs when they get it?
 If these are actually ACOG tough I'll be buying a few.
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Posted: 6/8/2016 1:06:41 PM EDT
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Small...according the instructions (pic above) @ 5x which this is: 0.32 Mrad. The top horizontal is 10.0 Mrad, the space w/the dot in the middle is 1 Mrad. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How big is the dot? Small...according the instructions (pic above) @ 5x which this is: 0.32 Mrad. The top horizontal is 10.0 Mrad, the space w/the dot in the middle is 1 Mrad. Hey Joe....does that top rail come off? tia |
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Posted: 6/8/2016 2:11:41 PM EDT
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I'm really looking forward to feedback on the M536. I think the 5x will suit my goals for my AR. Thank you for posting information on this optic.
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Posted: 6/8/2016 3:02:16 PM EDT
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Sorry guys...no range updates yet - been crazy busy. However, I'll check if the top rail section can be removed and add a couple pics of it mounted to my A4.
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Posted: 6/8/2016 6:27:04 PM EDT
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thanks for the update no worries take your time the 3X don't seem to be in stock anyway...
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Posted: 6/9/2016 6:52:15 PM EDT
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Wow, 15% for MIL (including priors, not just retired) and LEO: http://www.steiner-optics.com/american-hero
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Posted: 6/10/2016 11:28:15 AM EDT
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Hey Joe....does that top rail come off? tia Yes it does. |
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Posted: 6/11/2016 2:54:45 AM EDT
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The mounting footprint; is it compatible with ACOG footprint mounts?
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Posted: 6/11/2016 12:25:36 PM EDT
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Got to check them both out at the NRA show.
They seemed "cheaper" than an ACOG but by no means cheap. Wish I had known they were coming out, recently purchased an illuminated 1-4x, would rather have had this. |
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Posted: 6/11/2016 9:13:50 PM EDT
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Gent's,
Finally a couple pics...I used the riser that came w/the scope to both - clear my MaTech BUIS but, also to give me a better check weld. With the setup in the pic's below, I have a perfect NTCH sight picture. Also, as stated above, the top rail is removable. The 2 hex wrenches that come with the scope are for the QD mount and the top rail. Rifle spec's: Factory Sabre Defence A4 w/a 1/7 Gov't barrel, KAC M5 RAS, Geissele SSA-E trigger, BCM Mod 4 charging handle, and Vickers Blue Force sling. 
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Posted: 6/12/2016 6:47:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The mounting footprint; is it compatible with ACOG footprint mounts? Joe, any idea on this? |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 11:27:50 AM EDT
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Joe, any idea on this? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The mounting footprint; is it compatible with ACOG footprint mounts? Joe, any idea on this? I'm not sure as, I don't own an ACOG to compare. I'll call Steiner this week and inquire.
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Posted: 6/12/2016 12:04:51 PM EDT
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Couldn't read the article...but there was some English Sounds like someone was mad cause he didn't get his damn Durchblick hat?
Not sure what a Durchblick hat is but I want one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Couldn't read the article...but there was some English Damit man immer einen scharfen Durchblick hat Sounds like someone was mad cause he didn't get his damn Durchblick hat?
Not sure what a Durchblick hat is but I want one. I had to laugh at this. |
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Posted: 6/13/2016 4:51:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not sure as, I don't own an ACOG to compare. I'll call Steiner this week and inquire. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The mounting footprint; is it compatible with ACOG footprint mounts? Joe, any idea on this? I'm not sure as, I don't own an ACOG to compare. I'll call Steiner this week and inquire. |
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Posted: 6/13/2016 8:35:24 PM EDT
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That looks extremely big and heavy.
What is the weight of that monster? |
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Posted: 6/14/2016 1:01:40 PM EDT
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That looks extremely big and heavy. What is the weight of that monster? page 2 |
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Posted: 6/14/2016 7:52:07 PM EDT
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That looks extremely big and heavy. What is the weight of that monster? page 2 Ooops. Missed that. Thanks. |
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Posted: 6/15/2016 5:48:37 AM EDT
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That looks extremely big and heavy. What is the weight of that monster? Agreed. Some of these fixed scopes weigh as much as a 1-4. |
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Posted: 6/15/2016 8:44:33 AM EDT
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Agreed. Some of these fixed scopes weigh as much as a 1-4. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That looks extremely big and heavy. What is the weight of that monster? Agreed. Some of these fixed scopes weigh as much as a 1-4. It's gotta be the prisms Leupold VXR 1.25-4 is about 5 Oz less |
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Posted: 6/15/2016 12:51:54 PM EDT
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It's gotta be the prisms Leupold VXR 1.25-4 is about 5 Oz less Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That looks extremely big and heavy. What is the weight of that monster? Agreed. Some of these fixed scopes weigh as much as a 1-4. It's gotta be the prisms Leupold VXR 1.25-4 is about 5 Oz less The vxr is only 11.5oz. This 5x model is 22 oz. per pg 2. That's nearly twice as heavy with no 1x capability. I guess it serves a purpose for some though. Just not me. |
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Posted: 6/15/2016 2:10:04 PM EDT
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I was figuring weight differences for the 3X model which is the one I am interest in.
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Posted: 6/15/2016 2:14:03 PM EDT
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The vxr is only 11.5oz. This 5x model is 22 oz. per pg 2. That's nearly twice as heavy with no 1x capability. I guess it serves a purpose for some though. Just not me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That looks extremely big and heavy. What is the weight of that monster? Agreed. Some of these fixed scopes weigh as much as a 1-4. It's gotta be the prisms Leupold VXR 1.25-4 is about 5 Oz less The vxr is only 11.5oz. This 5x model is 22 oz. per pg 2. That's nearly twice as heavy with no 1x capability. I guess it serves a purpose for some though. Just not me. Steiner schott glass > Leupold VXR 1-4x glass. Also which one is battlefield tough? This is a product competing for the ACOG area with some added affordability. ETA: As you said to each his own I've been wanting the market to come out with prism optics built for toughness that fall at a price point between the ACOGs and the PA/ Burris lines from a company I can trust to make a worthwhile product. So I will not discourage this development. |
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Posted: 6/16/2016 2:20:57 PM EDT
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Steiner schott glass > Leupold VXR 1-4x glass. Also which one is battlefield tough? This is a product competing for the ACOG area with some added affordability. ETA: As you said to each his own I've been wanting the market to come out with prism optics built for toughness that fall at a price point between the ACOGs and the PA/ Burris lines from a company I can trust to make a worthwhile product. So I will not discourage this development. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That looks extremely big and heavy. What is the weight of that monster? Agreed. Some of these fixed scopes weigh as much as a 1-4. It's gotta be the prisms Leupold VXR 1.25-4 is about 5 Oz less The vxr is only 11.5oz. This 5x model is 22 oz. per pg 2. That's nearly twice as heavy with no 1x capability. I guess it serves a purpose for some though. Just not me. Steiner schott glass > Leupold VXR 1-4x glass. Also which one is battlefield tough? This is a product competing for the ACOG area with some added affordability. ETA: As you said to each his own I've been wanting the market to come out with prism optics built for toughness that fall at a price point between the ACOGs and the PA/ Burris lines from a company I can trust to make a worthwhile product. So I will not discourage this development. It's great what they are doing....a 1X would also not go amiss....but with a single 1moa illuminated dot + with the reticle they already have... |
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Posted: 6/16/2016 11:55:54 PM EDT
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The vxr is only 11.5oz. This 5x model is 22 oz. per pg 2. That's nearly twice as heavy with no 1x capability. I guess it serves a purpose for some though. Just not me. What does your preferred mount weigh? |
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Posted: 6/17/2016 9:24:30 AM EDT
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The vxr is only 11.5oz. This 5x model is 22 oz. per pg 2. That's nearly twice as heavy with no 1x capability. I guess it serves a purpose for some though. Just not me. What does your preferred mount weigh? I think the Aero precision is 3oz or so. I'm all for as light as possible. In my opinion extra weight sucks. But then again, I'm not as young as I once was. |
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Posted: 6/17/2016 10:14:21 AM EDT
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the 3X is about 16 Oz...take off the rail and if Scalar comes up with a light wt mount...shave some more off it...
I am guess the wt of the Steiner includes the mount while the wt of the VXR does not... |
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Posted: 6/17/2016 10:41:33 PM EDT
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I think the only thing I have to decide is 3X or 5X. How significant is the difference at 200 and 300 yards?
I have a PA 3X that I like, I just wonder if the difference in the glass would make things that much more crisp. My goal is to be clear, crisp and quick from 25 - 200 yards and as I get more comfortable and precise with optics I want to learn to reach out to 400. Any thoughts and/or opinions will be appreciated. |
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Posted: 6/17/2016 11:02:30 PM EDT
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I think the only thing I have to decide is 3X or 5X. How significant is the difference at 200 and 300 yards? I have a PA 3X that I like, I just wonder if the difference in the glass would make things that much more crisp. My goal is to be clear, crisp and quick from 25 - 200 yards and as I get more comfortable and precise with optics I want to learn to reach out to 400. Any thoughts and/or opinions will be appreciated. I think the higher quality German glass is definitely worth the added cost over a PA if it is a go to gun. My main excitement over this is that it seems a more budget friendly ACOG. From what I understand about Steiner is that they make tough stuff. I believe German Army marksmen use Steiner variables, of course these prism optics aren't the same puppy however so only time will tell if these are built for toughness. ETA: To answer your question though 3x should get you out to 400, but if the weight doesn't bother you the added magnification won't hurt. |
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Posted: 6/17/2016 11:30:31 PM EDT
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I think the higher quality German glass is definitely worth the added cost over a PA if it is a go to gun. My main excitement over this is that it seems a more budget friendly ACOG. From what I understand about Steiner is that they make tough stuff. I believe German Army marksmen use Steiner variables, of course these prism optics aren't the same puppy however so only time will tell if these are built for toughness. ETA: To answer your question though 3x should get you out to 400, but if the weight doesn't bother you the added magnification won't hurt. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think the only thing I have to decide is 3X or 5X. How significant is the difference at 200 and 300 yards? I have a PA 3X that I like, I just wonder if the difference in the glass would make things that much more crisp. My goal is to be clear, crisp and quick from 25 - 200 yards and as I get more comfortable and precise with optics I want to learn to reach out to 400. Any thoughts and/or opinions will be appreciated. I think the higher quality German glass is definitely worth the added cost over a PA if it is a go to gun. My main excitement over this is that it seems a more budget friendly ACOG. From what I understand about Steiner is that they make tough stuff. I believe German Army marksmen use Steiner variables, of course these prism optics aren't the same puppy however so only time will tell if these are built for toughness. ETA: To answer your question though 3x should get you out to 400, but if the weight doesn't bother you the added magnification won't hurt. I agree that this appears to be very similar to the ACOG and much more budget friendly. I'm going back and forth, but think I'll probably end up with the 5X and add a reflex when budget allows. As I grow more comfortable with my AR, it is becoming more likely to be my go-to over the AK (SA 93) that I've had much more time with. Oddly, I'm very comfortable with the AK fixed-sight, but the AR seems to call for optics. Maybe it's just because I'm not all that bright. 
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Posted: 6/18/2016 3:12:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree that this appears to be very similar to the ACOG and much more budget friendly. I'm going back and forth, but think I'll probably end up with the 5X and add a reflex when budget allows. As I grow more comfortable with my AR, it is becoming more likely to be my go-to over the AK (SA 93) that I've had much more time with. Oddly, I'm very comfortable with the AK fixed-sight, but the AR seems to call for optics. Maybe it's just because I'm not all that bright. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think the only thing I have to decide is 3X or 5X. How significant is the difference at 200 and 300 yards? I have a PA 3X that I like, I just wonder if the difference in the glass would make things that much more crisp. My goal is to be clear, crisp and quick from 25 - 200 yards and as I get more comfortable and precise with optics I want to learn to reach out to 400. Any thoughts and/or opinions will be appreciated. I think the higher quality German glass is definitely worth the added cost over a PA if it is a go to gun. My main excitement over this is that it seems a more budget friendly ACOG. From what I understand about Steiner is that they make tough stuff. I believe German Army marksmen use Steiner variables, of course these prism optics aren't the same puppy however so only time will tell if these are built for toughness. ETA: To answer your question though 3x should get you out to 400, but if the weight doesn't bother you the added magnification won't hurt. I agree that this appears to be very similar to the ACOG and much more budget friendly. I'm going back and forth, but think I'll probably end up with the 5X and add a reflex when budget allows. As I grow more comfortable with my AR, it is becoming more likely to be my go-to over the AK (SA 93) that I've had much more time with. Oddly, I'm very comfortable with the AK fixed-sight, but the AR seems to call for optics. Maybe it's just because I'm not all that bright. |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 11:29:32 AM EDT
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It's gotta be the prisms Leupold VXR 1.25-4 is about 5 Oz less Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That looks extremely big and heavy. What is the weight of that monster? Agreed. Some of these fixed scopes weigh as much as a 1-4. It's gotta be the prisms Leupold VXR 1.25-4 is about 5 Oz less I think it's the size of the housings. The 1.5, 2, 3X ACOGS are all very lightweight. |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 11:45:15 AM EDT
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the stated weights of the Steiners (I think) include the mount the weight of the VXR do not include rings or mounts....
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Posted: 6/18/2016 10:11:31 PM EDT
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I think the only thing I have to decide is 3X or 5X. How significant is the difference at 200 and 300 yards? I have a PA 3X that I like, I just wonder if the difference in the glass would make things that much more crisp. My goal is to be clear, crisp and quick from 25 - 200 yards and as I get more comfortable and precise with optics I want to learn to reach out to 400. Any thoughts and/or opinions will be appreciated. I think the higher quality German glass is definitely worth the added cost over a PA if it is a go to gun. My main excitement over this is that it seems a more budget friendly ACOG. From what I understand about Steiner is that they make tough stuff. I believe German Army marksmen use Steiner variables, of course these prism optics aren't the same puppy however so only time will tell if these are built for toughness. ETA: To answer your question though 3x should get you out to 400, but if the weight doesn't bother you the added magnification won't hurt. I agree that this appears to be very similar to the ACOG and much more budget friendly. I'm going back and forth, but think I'll probably end up with the 5X and add a reflex when budget allows. As I grow more comfortable with my AR, it is becoming more likely to be my go-to over the AK (SA 93) that I've had much more time with. Oddly, I'm very comfortable with the AK fixed-sight, but the AR seems to call for optics. Maybe it's just because I'm not all that bright. at least a fill-up! 
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Posted: 6/28/2016 11:21:17 AM EDT
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Range reports more reticle pics would be nice for those with these scope...
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Posted: 6/28/2016 3:45:39 PM EDT
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I'm ready to order but can't decide which one to get. Someone help me out. I'm leaning 5x because I already have a Vortex 3x prism on a rifle.
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Posted: 6/28/2016 6:32:25 PM EDT
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I'm ready to order but can't decide which one to get. Someone help me out. I'm leaning 5x because I already have a Vortex 3x prism on a rifle. I guess it's settled then....
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Posted: 6/28/2016 8:11:06 PM EDT
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Why am I always late when it comes to hearing about these things! After being caught up, I'll note that as stated above not only is the leupold example not counting a mount, but it is likely not as durable (though this product is too new to say that for sure), and Leupold in general make a lighter scope than their competition. This should be measured against ACOGs like the 31/11, and possibly 33. It's certainly comparible to the first two, while being significantly cheaper. I love my bright FO illuminated reticles, but word is that these are pretty bright as well.
Do we know how long the batteries last? I know it's not a big deal as it is with a RDS, but it would still matter to me if it is anemic or stellar. All in all this looks like a pretty neat scope, and given their .mil discount I'll probably end up looking at these the next time I do a build. It looks like a pretty neat ACOG alternative. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 8:32:09 PM EDT
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Any update on the mount footprint?
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Posted: 6/28/2016 10:05:49 PM EDT
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I ended up ordering the 3x, should arrive Thursday. Going out of town on Friday, so likely won't get a chance to review until I get back Tuesday.
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Posted: 6/28/2016 10:15:38 PM EDT
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I ended up ordering the 3x, should arrive Thursday. Going out of town on Friday, so likely won't get a chance to review until I get back Tuesday. Thanks and please give us pics.
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Posted: 6/28/2016 10:27:37 PM EDT
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I find these very interesting, but I'm not sure what I would mount it on. 11.5" or 14.5" 5.56? What are your guys plans?
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Posted: 6/28/2016 10:42:17 PM EDT
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I find these very interesting, but I'm not sure what I would mount it on. 11.5" or 14.5" 5.56? What are your guys plans? I'm planning on putting it on my 20" Ar15 or my 20" Armalite AR10,most likely the AR10. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 9:49:58 AM EDT
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I find these very interesting, but I'm not sure what I would mount it on. 11.5" or 14.5" 5.56? What are your guys plans? I don't know why you'd look for a BDC reticle on a shorty... You'll never come close to matching the ballistics. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 10:45:39 AM EDT
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I find these very interesting, but I'm not sure what I would mount it on. 11.5" or 14.5" 5.56? What are your guys plans? I don't know why you'd look for a BDC reticle on a shorty... You'll never come close to matching the ballistics. So the BDC reticle is set up for a 20" barrel? I haven't had any luck finding that info. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 1:28:21 PM EDT
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I find these very interesting, but I'm not sure what I would mount it on. 11.5" or 14.5" 5.56? What are your guys plans? I don't know why you'd look for a BDC reticle on a shorty... You'll never come close to matching the ballistics. You can get "close enough" for combat accuracy by varying your zero and using a program like Strelok Pro to map your load and MV to you reticle. It might take a few revisions for Strelok to add your particular reticle, but you can contact the developer and request it and he's pretty good about adding it... I have an M4-calibrated ACOG on my 11.5" SBR and an M240-calibrated TA11 on my 15.5" Grendel and both work just fine since I've adjusted zero and have a pretty good idea what my drops are for each of the BDC stadia lines. It's not perfect, but with a bit of practice you can get pretty close. |
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Posted: 7/1/2016 11:10:58 AM EDT
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I ended up ordering the 3x, should arrive Thursday. Going out of town on Friday, so likely won't get a chance to review until I get back Tuesday. Thanks and please give us pics. Quick note before I leave town. The scope arrived yesterday and I compared it to my Vortex 3x prism that's $200 cheaper. The Steiner is shaped exactly like the Vortex, however it has a hard rubber shell that hides the body lines. If you stripped that away they would be virtual clones. The Steiner is definitely more refined and robust. The rubber shell is very nice. Glass is ever so slightly better in the Steiner, but not noticeable unless you really nitpick. I like the Steiner reticle better, but the Vortex is pretty good too. The Steiner feels a touch lighter than the Vortex w/ ADM mount. (No scale to confirm) I'll get pics up next week. |
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