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Posted: 5/6/2014 2:44:35 AM EDT
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they aren't available to the public yet to my knowledge.
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Posted: 5/6/2014 3:00:36 AM EDT
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they aren't available to the public yet to my knowledge. My LGS had one. But...my LGS is about 180 miles from me. So I could not hands-on it today. |
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Posted: 5/6/2014 9:38:56 AM EDT
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Stickman's had or has one you might want to give him a shout....try his facebook page if he doesn't answer here
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Posted: 5/6/2014 6:54:22 PM EDT
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Stickman's had or has one you might want to give him a shout....try his facebook page if he doesn't answer here I've already reached out to Stickman, but I want some opinions from those who are not affiliated with the industry. |
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Posted: 5/22/2014 7:18:07 PM EDT
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they aren't available to the public yet to my knowledge. DSG Arms has them in stock...and on sale for $1499 this weekend |
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Posted: 5/22/2014 7:42:28 PM EDT
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Pat Rogers got one unsolicited a few months ago. He posted some pics of guys using them in his shoot house courses and said he'll be evaluating it over the next year using a variety of shooters to get a wide range of opinions on it.
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Posted: 5/22/2014 7:49:09 PM EDT
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they aren't available to the public yet to my knowledge. DSG Arms has them in stock...and on sale for $1499 this weekend Where'd you see them for $1499? Their website lists them for $2300. |
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Posted: 5/22/2014 8:07:28 PM EDT
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In their email newsletter. Must be a DSG website member, and it's for the segmented circle reticle.
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Posted: 5/22/2014 8:47:58 PM EDT
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I want one.
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Posted: 5/22/2014 10:07:54 PM EDT
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Where'd you see them for $1499? Their website lists them for $2300. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Where'd you see them for $1499? Their website lists them for $2300. You have to log in to see sale prices Quoted:
In their email newsletter. Must be a DSG website member, and it's for the segmented circle reticle. Nope...all reticles 
Plus an extra $20 off with code "20OFF300" |
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Posted: 5/23/2014 12:21:44 AM EDT
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Thanks for the correction. They do have all 5.56 reticles on sale which is cool (no 7.62 though.) At $1500 these should start getting into the marketplace pretty quickly so maybe some of us will actually see one in person!
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Nope...all reticles |
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Posted: 5/23/2014 2:33:54 AM EDT
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I'm somewhat tempted to get one, at that price. I have been in the market for a 1-6x for 3Gun stuff, but didn't want to spring for a Z6i, or other scopes in the 2K+ price range. I just don't want to be a beta-tester. I'm also curious as to the actual weight. They list the weight as being "without the mount or battery". 23.5 oz. isn't too bad, by itself, compared to something like the Vortex Razor HDII.
Seems that only the 77 grain reticules are in stock. Of course, that is what I would be using. I just don't know whether the horseshoe, or segmented reticule would be preferable. I suspect the horseshoe might show up better at 1x, for hosing stages. I don't know if the clutter would be detrimental for distant targets, though. |
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Posted: 5/23/2014 3:19:41 AM EDT
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I'm in for one at that price, but I'm in the same boat as the OP, the horseshoe is like an old friend from a lot of
years behind ACOG's, but on paper the segmented circle looks better, guess I'm taking a leap of faith. Pat has the segmented circle, says if he were buying his own it would probably be the horseshoe just due to familiarity but has no problem with the segmented circle either so that's not helping, segmented circle it is then. I'll leave some feedback when I get some time behind it. |
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Posted: 5/23/2014 4:45:20 AM EDT
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Pat Rogers got one unsolicited a few months ago. He posted some pics of guys using them in his shoot house courses and said he'll be evaluating it over the next year using a variety of shooters to get a wide range of opinions on it. I'm one of those guys right now. This is a great optic. Steve Fisher has his horseshoe reticle VCOG here as well, I prefer it. Faster up close, and still performs at distance. |
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Posted: 5/23/2014 4:51:47 AM EDT
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Does anyone have VCOG? Any reticle pictures of it on #6 into a bright sunlit target area? The only pictures I can find of it do not expound on the illumination setting used. Eyebox impressions? Very generous eyebox, true 1X, the first FFP 1x reticle I've been happy with and found completely usable. Not Aimpoint or MK6/MK8 bright, on 6 in bright daylight there's a dead band so to speak where it washes out slightly against a darker background. But still works and can be used very quickly. Overall a great optic. |
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Posted: 5/23/2014 9:56:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Very generous eyebox, true 1X, the first FFP 1x reticle I've been happy with and found completely usable. Not Aimpoint or MK6/MK8 bright, on 6 in bright daylight there's a dead band so to speak where it washes out slightly against a darker background. But still works and can be used very quickly. Overall a great optic. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Does anyone have VCOG? Any reticle pictures of it on #6 into a bright sunlit target area? The only pictures I can find of it do not expound on the illumination setting used. Eyebox impressions? Very generous eyebox, true 1X, the first FFP 1x reticle I've been happy with and found completely usable. Not Aimpoint or MK6/MK8 bright, on 6 in bright daylight there's a dead band so to speak where it washes out slightly against a darker background. But still works and can be used very quickly. Overall a great optic. |
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Posted: 5/23/2014 10:20:47 AM EDT
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Damn would have gotten one if there was a Horseshoe 55gr available.
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Posted: 5/23/2014 10:38:00 AM EDT
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I was hoping the VCOG illumination would not wash out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does anyone have VCOG? Any reticle pictures of it on #6 into a bright sunlit target area? The only pictures I can find of it do not expound on the illumination setting used. Eyebox impressions? Very generous eyebox, true 1X, the first FFP 1x reticle I've been happy with and found completely usable. Not Aimpoint or MK6/MK8 bright, on 6 in bright daylight there's a dead band so to speak where it washes out slightly against a darker background. But still works and can be used very quickly. Overall a great optic. I wish it went to 7, it would probably be perfect. But it's still fast and usable. |
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Posted: 5/23/2014 10:41:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: they aren't available to the public yet to my knowledge. LGS has one. played around with it a bit. Pretty cool for a FFP 1-6. Heavy. Might buy one
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Posted: 5/29/2014 7:13:37 PM EDT
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Tag.
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Posted: 5/29/2014 7:37:56 PM EDT
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My VCOG arrived on Tuesday. Here's the initial impressions of it that I shared in another thread copy/pasted:
"My initial impressions are very high. This is hands down the first variable 1-x optic that nails true 1x both eyes open usability IMO. Mind you, I've only briefly had it mounted to a rifle, and only been able to mess around with it in my house and backyard thus far...but I have a big backyard. Illumination settings 3, 4, 5 and 6 vary from ideal for bright to low light to pitch black environments - to everything in between. And I can't stress enough its usability with both eyes open on 1x. I truly do feel like I'm running an RDS on 1x. If it weren't for the eye relief (which is very generous and forgiving for a variable optic mind you), it essentially would be an RDS on 1x. The glass isn't quite Mark 6 quality, but that's its sole negative thus far. Range report to follow this Saturday." "It's heavy. It's not Vortex Razor HD Gen II 1-6x heavy, but it's heavy. And one thing to make note of in regards to the VCOG weight is that it ships with the Trijicon TA51 mount - just like a lot of ACOGs. It doesn't utilize a traditional scope mount like its competitors. With that said, the TA51 VCOG mount is only about 4 ounces, while the popular scope mounts from LaRue, Bobro, ADM, etc that are commonly used on similar scopes are around 7.5-8.5 ounces. It's something to consider that makes the VCOGs weight not quite as hefty in comparison overall." I'm looking forward to taking it out to the range this Saturday afternoon. |
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Posted: 5/29/2014 8:44:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My VCOG arrived on Tuesday. Here's the initial impressions of it that I shared in another thread copy/pasted: "My initial impressions are very high. This is hands down the first variable 1-x optic that nails true 1x both eyes open usability IMO. Mind you, I've only briefly had it mounted to a rifle, and only been able to mess around with it in my house and backyard thus far...but I have a big backyard. Illumination settings 3, 4, 5 and 6 vary from ideal for bright to low light to pitch black environments - to everything in between. And I can't stress enough its usability with both eyes open on 1x. I truly do feel like I'm running an RDS on 1x. If it weren't for the eye relief (which is very generous and forgiving for a variable optic mind you), it essentially would be an RDS on 1x. The glass isn't quite Mark 6 quality, but that's its sole negative thus far. Range report to follow this Saturday." "It's heavy. It's not Vortex Razor HD Gen II 1-6x heavy, but it's heavy. And one thing to make note of in regards to the VCOG weight is that it ships with the Trijicon TA51 mount - just like a lot of ACOGs. It doesn't utilize a traditional scope mount like its competitors. With that said, the TA51 VCOG mount is only about 4 ounces, while the popular scope mounts from LaRue, Bobro, ADM, etc that are commonly used on similar scopes are around 7.5-8.5 ounces. It's something to consider that makes the VCOGs weight not quite as hefty in comparison overall." I'm looking forward to taking it out to the range this Saturday afternoon. |
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Posted: 5/29/2014 8:44:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm one of those guys right now. This is a great optic. Steve Fisher has his horseshoe reticle VCOG here as well, I prefer it. Faster up close, and still performs at distance. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Pat Rogers got one unsolicited a few months ago. He posted some pics of guys using them in his shoot house courses and said he'll be evaluating it over the next year using a variety of shooters to get a wide range of opinions on it. I'm one of those guys right now. This is a great optic. Steve Fisher has his horseshoe reticle VCOG here as well, I prefer it. Faster up close, and still performs at distance. |
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Posted: 5/29/2014 8:52:43 PM EDT
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Mine is the horseshoe reticle.
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Posted: 5/29/2014 9:50:20 PM EDT
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Your review really makes me want to get one in 556 and 308.
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Posted: 5/30/2014 7:09:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mine is the horseshoe reticle. |
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Posted: 5/30/2014 7:09:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wish it went to 7, it would probably be perfect. But it's still fast and usable. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Does anyone have VCOG? Any reticle pictures of it on #6 into a bright sunlit target area? The only pictures I can find of it do not expound on the illumination setting used. Eyebox impressions? Very generous eyebox, true 1X, the first FFP 1x reticle I've been happy with and found completely usable. Not Aimpoint or MK6/MK8 bright, on 6 in bright daylight there's a dead band so to speak where it washes out slightly against a darker background. But still works and can be used very quickly. Overall a great optic. I wish it went to 7, it would probably be perfect. But it's still fast and usable. |
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Posted: 5/30/2014 9:58:41 PM EDT
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Does anyone have VCOG? Any reticle pictures of it on #6 into a bright sunlit target area? The only pictures I can find of it do not expound on the illumination setting used. Eyebox impressions? Very generous eyebox, true 1X, the first FFP 1x reticle I've been happy with and found completely usable. Not Aimpoint or MK6/MK8 bright, on 6 in bright daylight there's a dead band so to speak where it washes out slightly against a darker background. But still works and can be used very quickly. Overall a great optic. I wish it went to 7, it would probably be perfect. But it's still fast and usable. Done right, yes. |
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Posted: 5/30/2014 11:39:12 PM EDT
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Just wondering but why do you like the PST 1-4 reticle which is similar to the VCOGs segmented circle, but dont like the VCOG version? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mine is the horseshoe reticle. I didn't say that I didn't like the VCOG segmented circle reticle. What I did say is that I prefer the VCOG horseshoe reticle over it. |
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Posted: 5/31/2014 12:02:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't say that I didn't like the VCOG segmented circle reticle. What I did say is that I prefer the VCOG horseshoe reticle over it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Mine is the horseshoe reticle. I didn't say that I didn't like the VCOG segmented circle reticle. What I did say is that I prefer the VCOG horseshoe reticle over it. |
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Posted: 5/31/2014 12:14:00 AM EDT
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In a different thread you said the horseshoe is vastly superior so that lead me to believe you disliked the segmented circle? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mine is the horseshoe reticle. I didn't say that I didn't like the VCOG segmented circle reticle. What I did say is that I prefer the VCOG horseshoe reticle over it. I think you're confusing my comments with one of eesmith's comments. I did say the horseshoe is better in every aspect, but that's not saying the segmented circle is a bad reticle. I'm such a fan of the VCOG, I'd take it in either reticle flavor. 
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Posted: 5/31/2014 12:18:19 AM EDT
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Here's a quote from eesmith in another thread:
"Ya know, it's not like the segmented circle is a bad reticle; it's just that the horseshoe is just clearly superior." Sounds like that's what you're referencing. |
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Posted: 5/31/2014 12:20:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here's a quote from eesmith in another thread: "Ya know, it's not like the segmented circle is a bad reticle; it's just that the horseshoe is just clearly superior." Sounds like that's what you're referencing. yea your right. |
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Posted: 5/31/2014 12:22:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here's a quote from eesmith in another thread: "Ya know, it's not like the segmented circle is a bad reticle; it's just that the horseshoe is just clearly superior." Sounds like that's what you're referencing. |
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Posted: 5/31/2014 5:51:24 PM EDT
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Why can't they make it with decent battery life? 715 hours is pretty bad considering what aimpoint achieved. That alone rules it out for me. I'd be happier with fiber optics llike the acog.
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Posted: 5/31/2014 5:57:35 PM EDT
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Why can't they make it with decent battery life? 715 hours is pretty bad considering what aimpoint achieved. That alone rules it out for me. I'd be happier with fiber optics llike the acog. It's actually a great battery life when you compare it to ever other 1-X variable on the market. |
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Posted: 5/31/2014 7:11:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why can't they make it with decent battery life? 715 hours is pretty bad considering what aimpoint achieved. That alone rules it out for me. I'd be happier with fiber optics llike the acog. Aimpoints are much simpler in design. |
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Posted: 5/31/2014 7:44:07 PM EDT
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It's actually a great battery life when you compare it to ever other 1-X variable on the market. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why can't they make it with decent battery life? 715 hours is pretty bad considering what aimpoint achieved. That alone rules it out for me. I'd be happier with fiber optics llike the acog. It's actually a great battery life when you compare it to ever other 1-X variable on the market. The one I used in alliance only lasted 110 hours on #6 for 98% of the time. It was a fresh Duracell, I don't know if it was a fluke or what. |
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Posted: 5/31/2014 7:46:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The one I used in alliance only lasted 110 hours on #6 for 98% of the time. It was a fresh Duracell, I don't know if it was a fluke or what. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why can't they make it with decent battery life? 715 hours is pretty bad considering what aimpoint achieved. That alone rules it out for me. I'd be happier with fiber optics llike the acog. It's actually a great battery life when you compare it to ever other 1-X variable on the market. The one I used in alliance only lasted 110 hours on #6 for 98% of the time. It was a fresh Duracell, I don't know if it was a fluke or what. |
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Posted: 5/31/2014 7:49:03 PM EDT
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it is better than my leupy mark 4 but not what i hoped for. still rather have fiber optic.
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Posted: 5/31/2014 8:26:52 PM EDT
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Why can't they make it with decent battery life? 715 hours is pretty bad considering what aimpoint achieved. That alone rules it out for me. I'd be happier with fiber optics llike the acog. It's actually a great battery life when you compare it to ever other 1-X variable on the market. The one I used in alliance only lasted 110 hours on #6 for 98% of the time. It was a fresh Duracell, I don't know if it was a fluke or what. Alkaline. The 700 hours specifically mentions lithium!at #4, so think of it as an unfair stress test. Still thought it would last longer. |
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Posted: 6/5/2014 5:42:46 PM EDT
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Dang. The $1499 sale is over. I would have jumped on that!
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Posted: 6/5/2014 11:59:32 PM EDT
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Which reticle on the VCOG would you guy's use if you were shooting primarily 62gr. ammo, the 55gr. or the 77gr.?
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Posted: 6/16/2014 10:17:31 PM EDT
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I just got me one today.
Is there a huge difference between grains? I had an offer I couldn't refuse and went for the 77gr. Is it VERY different from a 55 gr.? I usually shoot 55 gr. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 1:26:48 AM EDT
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If I could afford a VCOG, a pack of lithium AA's every few months is not going to be a deal breaker for me... I know some like to leave their optic on for SHTF, but 700 hours is dang near a month. Just change the battery when you change your undies, every 3 weeks!
(no harm intended)
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Posted: 6/17/2014 10:01:37 AM EDT
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If I could afford a VCOG, a pack of lithium AA's every few months is not going to be a deal breaker for me... I know some like to leave their optic on for SHTF, but 700 hours is dang near a month. Just change the battery when you change your undies, every 3 weeks! (no harm intended)Advertised 700 hour battery life is at setting 4, the first non night vision setting. I'd expect settings 5 & 6 to have SIGNIFICANTLY less battery life in real world applications... Probably still a decent battery life, but probably not much better than other LPVs (50-100 hours) |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 10:21:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just got me one today. Is there a huge difference between grains? I had an offer I couldn't refuse and went for the 77gr. Is it VERY different from a 55 gr.? I usually shoot 55 gr. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 10:26:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there a huge difference between grains? I had an offer I couldn't refuse and went for the 77gr. Is it VERY different from a 55 gr.? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I just got me one today. Is there a huge difference between grains? I had an offer I couldn't refuse and went for the 77gr. Is it VERY different from a 55 gr.? I usually shoot 55 gr. Will post a pic later, it is a great optic anyhow |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 11:16:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I usually shoot 55 gr. Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes....Quoted: Quoted: I just got me one today. Is there a huge difference between grains? I had an offer I couldn't refuse and went for the 77gr. Is it VERY different from a 55 gr.? I usually shoot 55 gr. Will post a pic later, it is a great optic anyhow |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 11:24:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks. That's why then I was given this great offer. Oh well. Will try it for a while, if I see that I am aiming in a given spot and hitting too further away, will probably either change to 77gr or change optics. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I just got me one today. Is there a huge difference between grains? I had an offer I couldn't refuse and went for the 77gr. Is it VERY different from a 55 gr.? I usually shoot 55 gr. Will post a pic later, it is a great optic anyhow Do you think at that distance the difference in reticles will be so different that my VCOG turns useless? Should have phrased properly my statement as such from the start. Then - and I'm learning from you right now - at other distances will just get me the 77grs. Thanks much! |
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