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Posted: 9/3/2012 2:12:08 PM
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Of the three scopes listed , what would run on top of your AR?

Or would you sugest another scope that is under $500 that falls in this style of scope?
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Posted: 9/3/2012 2:32:50 PM
Save your money. Leupold VX-Hog 1x4. Rugged, reticle is quick to acquire, great eye relief and is half the price. I went to the shop w cash to buy either a mark AR 1x4 or a m223 1x4. I saw this VX hog and decided to give it a shot. It's got the VX glass and leupolds reputation. It's mounted on my BCM AR with a Nikon m223 1 piece mount and I'm very happy with it. No reason to spend twice the ammount on the other choices. I would truly prefer it over the mark AR or the m223 with price out of the picture.
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Posted: 9/3/2012 4:40:44 PM
What dmcginnis said, but I like the Firedot circle version instead. I wish they didn't put "pig plex" in the reticle. Leupold VX-R is hard to beat for the price. David
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Posted: 9/4/2012 5:00:28 PM
Originally Posted By dmcginnis:
Save your money. Leupold VX-Hog 1x4. Rugged, reticle is quick to acquire, great eye relief and is half the price. I went to the shop w cash to buy either a mark AR 1x4 or a m223 1x4. I saw this VX hog and decided to give it a shot. It's got the VX glass and leupolds reputation. It's mounted on my BCM AR with a Nikon m223 1 piece mount and I'm very happy with it. No reason to spend twice the ammount on the other choices. I would truly prefer it over the mark AR or the m223 with price out of the picture.



Have you zeroed it yet ? I'm interested in reading how the holdover works with lighter grain ammunition.
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Posted: 9/4/2012 5:58:37 PM
Voted for the MTAC, but I would be pefertly happy with the $300 TAC30 1-4x24.

Pretty sure the Leupold is not a true 1x and the Nikon does not offer illumination.
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Posted: 9/4/2012 10:38:21 PM
I'm not personally a huge fan of the Nikon reticle, and as already mentioned, the Leuy is NOT a true 1x, so that leaves the Burris.

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Posted: 9/4/2012 11:46:49 PM
Voted for the MTAC.

I own an MTAC and a Vortex PST 1-4 MOA, and I prefer the Vortex reticle, just wish the Vortex got a little brighter.

Glass on both is very close in clarity and light transmission.
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Posted: 9/5/2012 2:00:05 AM
I am asking myself the same, or at least close question. Shooting a stag flat top. Not a holo sight fan. I shoot out to abt 250 yards or so. I have back up folding sights. Burris AR-332, Burris MTAC 1-4 or Burris MTAC 1.5-6? Latter can't cowitness, but I am ok with that. Have not shot any of these optics. I like the burris reticle a lot. Need some magnification for old retired army eyes. Any advice? Thanks for any thoughts.
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Posted: 9/5/2012 10:15:10 AM
Well I compared the

VX-R Hog 1.25-4

Burris Tac30 1-4

Trijicon TR24

Nikon m-223 1-4

and for my money I would only spend it on the Burris Tac30 1-4

why?

Because it was the 2nd best on true 1x (Trijicon was the best but the price made me sick), 1st in reticle design (although a smaller center dot would be cool), 3rd in illumination (Leupold and Trijicon were better), Tied 2nd with leupold for clarity, 1st in best bang for your buck.

The biggest thing I didn't like about the leupold was the 1.25x. For me it was a deal breaker. It messed with my eyes and wasn't as nice as the Burris.

I would recommend checking them out in person and seeing what works for you!

I thought the 1.25 wouldn't bother me but it really does. If Leupold comes out with a true 1x on there 1-4 for the same price then I think you will have a winner
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Posted: 9/5/2012 4:57:12 PM
Thanks so far.

Any input from the 3 gunner croud?
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Posted: 9/5/2012 5:54:34 PM
MTAC until i can afford a Bushnell, Vortex, or Swaro 1-6, if you are .mil PM me
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Posted: 9/6/2012 5:20:14 PM
I think I am going MTAC. Will the 1x4 cowitness with iron sights? Wondering if the nonilluminated reticle will just confuse the issue trying. I presume the 1.5 will not. The current deal seems to be a few spots selling the 1x4 MTAC with mount and fastfire 2 as a set for about $599. It is going on a stag M3 flat top.
thanks for any thoughts
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Posted: 9/6/2012 6:00:56 PM
Originally Posted By pablopac:
I think I am going MTAC. Will the 1x4 cowitness with iron sights? Wondering if the nonilluminated reticle will just confuse the issue trying. I presume the 1.5 will not. The current deal seems to be a few spots selling the 1x4 MTAC with mount and fastfire 2 as a set for about $599. It is going on a stag M3 flat top.
thanks for any thoughts
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No co-witness with scope. I don't care if it says it's 1x. It is not. No such thing.

My opinion. Could be wrong. Been wrong before. YMMV.
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Posted: 9/6/2012 7:37:31 PM
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Originally Posted By USMC223:
Thanks so far.

Any input from the 3 gunner croud?

Vortex and Burris in that price range. I just got a Vortex, but a Razor, NOT in the same price range.


Originally Posted By pablopac:
I think I am going MTAC. Will the 1x4 cowitness with iron sights? Wondering if the nonilluminated reticle will just confuse the issue trying. I presume the 1.5 will not. The current deal seems to be a few spots selling the 1x4 MTAC with mount and fastfire 2 as a set for about $599.
thanks for any thoughts
pablopac

No need to cowitness with the Fastfire. Learn to use it when you want fast/close. Also, mounting rear irons with a typical 1-4 is tricky because the scopes tend to be kindof long. BTW, you were not asking, but if you use this for 3-gun, you will be in Open Division because it is 2 optical/electronic sights.
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Posted: 9/6/2012 8:00:27 PM
I own the Mark AR and am fairly happy with it, but I've looked through the Burris and liked it a lot better.
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Posted: 9/6/2012 8:50:10 PM
I recently ordered a Burris tac30 to "play with" until I save up for a swfa 1-6 or splurge on a NF. I think Burris in general makes a great optic for the money, and the features on the tac30(arguably better on the mtac) made me choose it in the sub $400 price range.
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Posted: 9/12/2012 2:42:35 PM
I just ordered a MTAC for my new Predatar this morning. I have running a TAC30 on my frankengun SPR in three gun for a couple seasons and like it really well. I am anxious to see if the MTAC glass is even better.
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Posted: 9/12/2012 3:16:41 PM
I voted mtac cause you didn't have viper pst
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Posted: 9/12/2012 3:17:14 PM
How about the Weaver Classic 1-3x. I think that it is shorter and lighter than all in your list. Inexpensive for Japanese glass.
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Posted: 9/12/2012 3:21:34 PM
I tend to go with Leupold, but haven't looked through their lower powered glass. I was shopping for a Millet in that power range and picked up the Burris to compare. The Burris glass was much clearer than the Millet, and very acceptable. Don't know if this helps you.....
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Posted: 9/13/2012 1:32:33 PM
Letherwood CMR 1-4x24 just got one and am loving it sofar. You can pick up the scope with a mount for a good price on swfa.com.

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Posted: 9/14/2012 2:51:45 PM
The Weaver 1-3x is an excellent value for the money. The scope is small, lightweight and inexpensive. It really feels like it is half the size of a Millet DMS-1 1-4x scope. The glass is very impressive for the money and better than many that cost twice as much. The downside is it only has a very simple cross hair reticle and no illumination. But, if you consider a 5.56 carbine a 0-300 yard gun like I do, it works very well. Weaver really, really, really needs to add a slightly better reticle to this optic. If they did and kept it at the current price range, it would dominate the entry level market.

With that said, I love my Trijicon TR24 Accupoint with the post reticle. It is the perfect optic for my general purpose 5.56 rig and I run one on my go-to rig. It is fast on 1x and the reticle is big as well as bright. It works better than an Aimpoint for me as I have a bad astigmatism, which causes an Aimpoint to be very blurry at times. on 4x, 100 yard targets are cake. Again, I consider my 5.56 carbines a 0-300 yard rig. So the reticle doesn't get in it's own way for me. I go to my Nitrex (re branded Weaver Super Slam) 2-10x or SWFA SS 3-9x for anything longer. So the 1-4x Accupoint works very well for me, particularly on my MSAR STG-556 & AR SBR.

I ran a Burris 1-4X XTR and really liked it. But I traded it for my TR24 Accupoint as that is the scope I love. I would not hessitate to get another Burris and am considering a Burris TAC30 1-4x in FDE to put on my tan MSAR STG rifle.