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Posted: 5/23/2015 4:54:58 PM EDT
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Also if they are GTG do you think the military will start using these? Since we aren't allowed to use 30 round Pmags, I'm going to guess not. I have no trigger time with the 40 rounders, so I'll leave their reliability up for someone with first hand experience. |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 5:01:20 PM EDT
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Curious as well, though I was under the impression they work great.
No reason for them not to, this isn't new. Steyr has been making 42 round polymer stick mags for the AUG for like 30 years, and still do, for military service for full auto use. Same with RPK 40 round 7.62X39 mags. So there's no reason to think the PMag 40 would be anything other than great. Only thing is 40's are a bit long and cumbersome. I bought one for giggles, maybe for certain 3-gun stages if I ever get into that. But doubt I'll ever use it for much anything else. |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 5:06:48 PM EDT
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Curious as well, though I was under the impression they work great. No reason for them not to, this isn't new. Steyr has been making 42 round polymer stick mags for the AUG for like 30 years, and still do, for military service for full auto use. Same with RPK 40 round 7.62X39 mags. So there's no reason to think the PMag 40 would be anything other than great. Only thing is 40's are a bit long and cumbersome. I bought one for giggles, maybe for certain 3-gun stages if I ever get into that. But doubt I'll ever use it for much anything else. +1, as for US military use? I will guess never. For AR's 40 rounders are fun but they stick out a ways. |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 5:07:18 PM EDT
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Not really extensive testing, but I've used them on 3 outings and everything worked as any Pmags. I have no idea whether they will be used by the military, but I'm guessing no. They are as good as any Pmag, but are longer and may interfere with prone shooting. There may also be problems associated with carrying them in pouches. I'm not sure the additional 10 rounds would be worth any possible issues that may pop up because of the additional length. 30 rounders are quick enough to change and everyone is already used to their physical size in reloading and carrying. Again, this is only a guess on my part.
For civilian use, I think they work fine and I don't regret buying them. I use them in my home security system. |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 5:08:42 PM EDT
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I agree that I wouldn't have many 40rd magazines but maybe 1 loaded in my go to AR would be nice. I have been going back and forth with the coupler and having 2 30rd magazines loaded.
I can see forgetting or messing up with a 40rd when all training was with a 30rd though so it might not be worth it. |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 6:35:21 PM EDT
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like has already been mentioned they are kinda long but as far a reliability I haven't had any issues FA/SA with the 3 I have through maybe 5-600rds.
not a real test by any means and I dont plan on one,just an observation.Im expecting them to be as reliable as the 30rd Pmags and so far they have been. |
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Posted: 5/24/2015 6:42:55 PM EDT
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I got a couple of the 40 rd PMAGs early this year and so far so good, at least I had loaded them the full 40 rounds at least 4 times each without any issues, using surplus 5.56 ammo.
The extra length is not so bad, it's actually better than the 30 rd when using it like a mono pod when shooting prone. My only other long time experience was with my Steyr AUG 42 rounds mag since 1989, same thing no problems, I just have to be aware that I have a longer mag protruding downwards. |
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Posted: 5/24/2015 6:55:54 PM EDT
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Never had any issues with them.
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Posted: 5/24/2015 8:05:52 PM EDT
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Does magpul have lifetime warranty on all their mags ?
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Posted: 5/25/2015 10:28:10 AM EDT
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I have and use the PMAG 40s. Zero reliability issues (no stoppages while using). They are a bit long for my tastes. I prefer 20's for carry and 30's for reloads.
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Posted: 5/25/2015 10:51:18 AM EDT
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I like the idea of a 40 rounder as the magazine in the gun if the SHTF. That Magpul D-60 may work better if proven reliable.
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Posted: 5/25/2015 2:11:57 PM EDT
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Took mine out today. Worked fine. Fun mag.
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Posted: 5/25/2015 2:29:57 PM EDT
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I have one, it works but it's unwieldy and I don't like it.
I won't be buying more. |
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Posted: 5/26/2015 10:15:55 PM EDT
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By the way, I had kept mine loaded for about 2 months, before firing it. Ran fine. Not an exhaustive test, but you asked for a data point.
The "Cover" is a joke though. Those things don't really stay on very reliably on a loaded mag, but that's true of most of the PMags. |
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Posted: 5/26/2015 10:52:01 PM EDT
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I wouldn't mind having one to play with. lol Right now all I have is all 30rd mags. I would really like to have the Magpul D-60 like FALbert said but they really like them! Hell I can buy a shit load of 30rd mags for that price. lol Later, Mark
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Posted: 5/26/2015 11:24:44 PM EDT
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Just wondering if there was a lot of real life testing with the 40rd PMAGs. Also if they are GTG do you think the military will start using these? Military use for a 40 rounder is primarily in the Automatic Rifleman role where fire suppression is important As such the 40 round PMag was developed specifically for the USMC IAR program request for an above 30 round magazine solution (It also runs very well in the M249 SAW). |
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Posted: 5/26/2015 11:55:23 PM EDT
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Since we aren't allowed to use 30 round Pmags, I'm going to guess not. I have no trigger time with the 40 rounders, so I'll leave their reliability up for someone with first hand experience. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Also if they are GTG do you think the military will start using these? Since we aren't allowed to use 30 round Pmags, I'm going to guess not. I have no trigger time with the 40 rounders, so I'll leave their reliability up for someone with first hand experience. If you are in the Army then PMags are allowed to be used with local command approval. TACOM did release a memorandum a few years back saying only approved magazines were to be used and only put the new brown follower and old green follower USGI magazines on the "approved" list. http://kitup.military.com/2012/05/army-stands-ban-unathorized-pmags.html After a uproar from troops in the field they issued a clarification a week later saying the memo was poorly written and not mandatory . http://www.military.com/daily-news/2012/06/07/army-now-says-no-ban-on-rifle-magazines.html |
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Posted: 5/27/2015 1:31:54 AM EDT
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Mine, work just like any other Pmag. They kind of have limited uses I use mine for 3 gun competitions otherwise i find them a bit long.
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Posted: 5/28/2015 4:38:37 PM EDT
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I use them in 3 gun and they work great! No issues at all with them
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Posted: 5/28/2015 5:50:49 PM EDT
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do you folks feel the same about the 60 rd surefire?
Txl |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 8:43:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: do you folks feel the same about the 60 rd surefire? Txl I had two of the 60rd Surfire mags that were not reliable out of the package, the follower would stick I had to send them back to Surefire and two weeks later they were returned with different springs they were reliable after that but I don't use them at all |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 11:12:12 PM EDT
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I had two of the 60rd Surfire mags that were not reliable out of the package, the follower would stick I had to send them back to Surefire and two weeks later they were returned with different springs they were reliable after that but I don't use them at all Quote HistoryQuoted:
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do you folks feel the same about the 60 rd surefire? Txl I had two of the 60rd Surfire mags that were not reliable out of the package, the follower would stick I had to send them back to Surefire and two weeks later they were returned with different springs they were reliable after that but I don't use them at all Thanks, might as well pass, and give the fotays from mag a shot. Txl |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 6:56:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks, might as well pass, and give the fotays from mag a shot. Txl Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: do you folks feel the same about the 60 rd surefire? Txl I had two of the 60rd Surfire mags that were not reliable out of the package, the follower would stick I had to send them back to Surefire and two weeks later they were returned with different springs they were reliable after that but I don't use them at all Thanks, might as well pass, and give the fotays from mag a shot. Txl I like the 40rd PMags, they always work |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 7:40:27 AM EDT
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I haven't run thousands of rounds through mine, but in my experience so far I have not had a single issue.
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Posted: 5/30/2015 11:42:51 AM EDT
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Good luck doing a 40 round mag dump and not having a smile on your face at the end.
 I had a PMAG 40 and it worked great at the range.
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Posted: 5/30/2015 4:02:13 PM EDT
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In full auto they are nice. Mostly I use mine in my AUG E4 where the extra length does not cause problems. For day-to day use they are a bit long to be practical.
Never had a problem with one though. |
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Posted: 5/30/2015 4:36:40 PM EDT
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Use mine in FA and worked great
Keep one next to the bedside rifle as a just in case I have 6 and all have worked with no issues |
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Posted: 6/5/2015 10:38:33 PM EDT
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I like the idea of a 40 rounder as the magazine in the gun if the SHTF. That Magpul D-60 may work better if proven reliable. TOO MUCH WEIGHT A 30 ROUNDER IS about 1 lbs the 60 drum will be 2lbs+ |
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Posted: 6/13/2015 9:24:38 PM EDT
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Used one as my first mag for every evolution in a 5 day class (about 1000 rounds over the 5 days) and it was flawless, even after being dropped in mud and sand for the first three days.
As a first load I think its great, but I dont want all my mag pouches filled with 40's... If I had something like a M249 I may want them for faster loads over a belt, but I cant speak to their reliability in the mini. |
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Posted: 6/13/2015 11:53:04 PM EDT
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I have a couple of 40s. Haven't cycled them too many times (turns into a shitload of ammo quick) but the few times they have, they run perfect.
Just picked up two more... |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 10:35:38 PM EDT
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They work good but not worth the extra length imo. Ymmv
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Posted: 6/15/2015 2:25:38 AM EDT
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Inexpensive and reliable in my experience. Pisses liberals off too, a win win win.
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Posted: 6/15/2015 4:28:46 AM EDT
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do you folks feel the same about the 60 rd surefire? Txl Nope |
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Posted: 6/15/2015 8:31:00 PM EDT
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do you folks feel the same about the 60 rd surefire? Txl Nope I don't know a lot about those. Between that lack of familiarity, and the reputation of so many ultra large capacity systems failing, there is no way I would trust my life or a match to anything other than a PMag 40 (or AUG 42 I guess) |
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Posted: 6/15/2015 8:43:52 PM EDT
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Pisses liberals off too, a win win win. I bought 2 for this reason. They have ammo in them, but I don't recall having ever used them. |
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Posted: 6/19/2015 5:47:01 AM EDT
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I don't know a lot about those. Between that lack of familiarity, and the reputation of so many ultra large capacity systems failing, there is no way I would trust my life or a match to anything other than a PMag 40 (or AUG 42 I guess) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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do you folks feel the same about the 60 rd surefire? Txl Nope I don't know a lot about those. Between that lack of familiarity, and the reputation of so many ultra large capacity systems failing, there is no way I would trust my life or a match to anything other than a PMag 40 (or AUG 42 I guess) They are complete garbage, all manner of mag related failures, rounds would bind, tounds would not be properly presented, feedlips would easily get deformed, the works |
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Posted: 6/19/2015 10:25:56 AM EDT
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GTG for me! No issues.
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Posted: 6/21/2015 8:29:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: do you folks feel the same about the 60 rd surefire? Txl I can't wait for the 60-round Magpul drums.  |
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Posted: 6/21/2015 12:50:02 PM EDT
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They are complete garbage, all manner of mag related failures, rounds would bind, tounds would not be properly presented, feedlips would easily get deformed, the works Quote HistoryQuoted:
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do you folks feel the same about the 60 rd surefire? Txl Nope I don't know a lot about those. Between that lack of familiarity, and the reputation of so many ultra large capacity systems failing, there is no way I would trust my life or a match to anything other than a PMag 40 (or AUG 42 I guess) They are complete garbage, all manner of mag related failures, rounds would bind, tounds would not be properly presented, feedlips would easily get deformed, the works That was my take on the Surefire mags too. I watched people try to use those for a couple of years in competition. Don't think I ever saw one feed a whole mag without choking. |
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Posted: 6/23/2015 5:56:16 PM EDT
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My 1 40rd has been 100% reliable so far. Having said that, I've gone the 2x30rd(loaded to 25rds each) coupler for my main go-to/first grab for HD mags. Figure the 40rd has to obv work within a wider range(1rd or 40rds). The spring still has to be stiff enough whens almost empty. So when its full, the spring surely puts somewhat more pressure on the feed lips(I've heard somewhere they've had some deformation issues when loaded for long periods. dunno if its true tho) more so then a 20/30rdr. Or, its weaker when its running low. I figure its one or the other. So its not my first choice for a go-to/always loaded mag. But thats just me.
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Posted: 6/23/2015 11:33:11 PM EDT
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My 1 40rd has been 100% reliable so far. Having said that, I've gone the 2x30rd(loaded to 25rds each) coupler for my main go-to/first grab for HD mags. Figure the 40rd has to obv work within a wider range(1rd or 40rds). The spring still has to be stiff enough whens almost empty. So when its full, the spring surely puts somewhat more pressure on the feed lips(I've heard somewhere they've had some deformation issues when loaded for long periods. dunno if its true tho) more so then a 20/30rdr. Or, its weaker when its running low. I figure its one or the other. So its not my first choice for a go-to/always loaded mag. But thats just me. Why download to 25 rounds?? There's absolutely no reason to download a Pmag. If you wanna be safe, do what I do. Use a set of mags for a year, then retire 'em to training mags. Use 'em for a year, then toss 'em or give 'em away. That way you always have fresh mags. |
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Posted: 6/24/2015 8:16:58 AM EDT
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Why download to 25 rounds?? There's absolutely no reason to download a Pmag. If you wanna be safe, do what I do. Use a set of mags for a year, then retire 'em to training mags. Use 'em for a year, then toss 'em or give 'em away. That way you always have fresh mags. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My 1 40rd has been 100% reliable so far. Having said that, I've gone the 2x30rd(loaded to 25rds each) coupler for my main go-to/first grab for HD mags. Figure the 40rd has to obv work within a wider range(1rd or 40rds). The spring still has to be stiff enough whens almost empty. So when its full, the spring surely puts somewhat more pressure on the feed lips(I've heard somewhere they've had some deformation issues when loaded for long periods. dunno if its true tho) more so then a 20/30rdr. Or, its weaker when its running low. I figure its one or the other. So its not my first choice for a go-to/always loaded mag. But thats just me. Why download to 25 rounds?? There's absolutely no reason to download a Pmag. If you wanna be safe, do what I do. Use a set of mags for a year, then retire 'em to training mags. Use 'em for a year, then toss 'em or give 'em away. That way you always have fresh mags. Welp...in this case, the 2 30rdrs in question, are alum mil specs(green followers). Not Pmags. I've always short loaded those regardless. Ever since the 70s. |
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Posted: 6/24/2015 11:40:50 PM EDT
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Welp...in this case, the 2 30rdrs in question, are alum mil specs(green followers). Not Pmags. I've always short loaded those regardless. Ever since the 70s. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My 1 40rd has been 100% reliable so far. Having said that, I've gone the 2x30rd(loaded to 25rds each) coupler for my main go-to/first grab for HD mags. Figure the 40rd has to obv work within a wider range(1rd or 40rds). The spring still has to be stiff enough whens almost empty. So when its full, the spring surely puts somewhat more pressure on the feed lips(I've heard somewhere they've had some deformation issues when loaded for long periods. dunno if its true tho) more so then a 20/30rdr. Or, its weaker when its running low. I figure its one or the other. So its not my first choice for a go-to/always loaded mag. But thats just me. Why download to 25 rounds?? There's absolutely no reason to download a Pmag. If you wanna be safe, do what I do. Use a set of mags for a year, then retire 'em to training mags. Use 'em for a year, then toss 'em or give 'em away. That way you always have fresh mags. Welp...in this case, the 2 30rdrs in question, are alum mil specs(green followers). Not Pmags. I've always short loaded those regardless. Ever since the 70s. 28 I can see, and do myself with g.i. mags, but 25 is cutting it way shorter than it needs to be. Get some new springs if they don't work... |
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Posted: 6/25/2015 12:31:14 AM EDT
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28 I can see, and do myself with g.i. mags, but 25 is cutting it way shorter than it needs to be. Get some new springs if they don't work... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My 1 40rd has been 100% reliable so far. Having said that, I've gone the 2x30rd(loaded to 25rds each) coupler for my main go-to/first grab for HD mags. Figure the 40rd has to obv work within a wider range(1rd or 40rds). The spring still has to be stiff enough whens almost empty. So when its full, the spring surely puts somewhat more pressure on the feed lips(I've heard somewhere they've had some deformation issues when loaded for long periods. dunno if its true tho) more so then a 20/30rdr. Or, its weaker when its running low. I figure its one or the other. So its not my first choice for a go-to/always loaded mag. But thats just me. Why download to 25 rounds?? There's absolutely no reason to download a Pmag. If you wanna be safe, do what I do. Use a set of mags for a year, then retire 'em to training mags. Use 'em for a year, then toss 'em or give 'em away. That way you always have fresh mags. Welp...in this case, the 2 30rdrs in question, are alum mil specs(green followers). Not Pmags. I've always short loaded those regardless. Ever since the 70s. 28 I can see, and do myself with g.i. mags, but 25 is cutting it way shorter than it needs to be. Get some new springs if they don't work... Absolutely agree regarding 28, normally. Just stacking the deck so to speak, concerning these pertic mags by going less then normal. Since they'll prolly be loaded for a good length of time. I don't want any surprises. |
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