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Posted: 1/14/2015 7:29:41 PM EDT
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Adding to round count RELIABLY is like making cars go fast. After a certain point, every increment gets more and more expensive. The parts count on this drum is a lot more than on a 30rd mag. It's not a cost effective way to carry a total of 60 rounds that will reliably feed. It IS the most cost effective way to carry 60 rounds that will reliably feed in ONE magazine, at least in our fairly extensive testing. Because, this is America, after all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why is it the price of 13 mags? Serious question Adding to round count RELIABLY is like making cars go fast. After a certain point, every increment gets more and more expensive. The parts count on this drum is a lot more than on a 30rd mag. It's not a cost effective way to carry a total of 60 rounds that will reliably feed. It IS the most cost effective way to carry 60 rounds that will reliably feed in ONE magazine, at least in our fairly extensive testing. Because, this is America, after all. So... Any plans for 100 round drum if the 60 goes well? 
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Posted: 1/14/2015 7:37:46 PM EDT
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Adding to round count RELIABLY is like making cars go fast. After a certain point, every increment gets more and more expensive. The parts count on this drum is a lot more than on a 30rd mag. It's not a cost effective way to carry a total of 60 rounds that will reliably feed. It IS the most cost effective way to carry 60 rounds that will reliably feed in ONE magazine, at least in our fairly extensive testing. Because, this is America, after all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why is it the price of 13 mags? Serious question Adding to round count RELIABLY is like making cars go fast. After a certain point, every increment gets more and more expensive. The parts count on this drum is a lot more than on a 30rd mag. It's not a cost effective way to carry a total of 60 rounds that will reliably feed. It IS the most cost effective way to carry 60 rounds that will reliably feed in ONE magazine, at least in our fairly extensive testing. Because, this is America, after all. You guys have issues with the Surefires in your tests? Mine never worked right. Loved to jam up and spit rounds everywhere. I got a replacement, but honestly I dont trust it, one of these days I'll sell it. |
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Posted: 1/14/2015 9:39:26 PM EDT
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Can you make it a 15-rounders for us in Colorado
Nah...just like driving up to Cheyenne for fireworks, road trip is calling. |
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Posted: 1/14/2015 10:52:04 PM EDT
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You guys have issues with the Surefires in your tests? Mine never worked right. Loved to jam up and spit rounds everywhere. I got a replacement, but honestly I dont trust it, one of these days I'll sell it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why is it the price of 13 mags? Serious question Adding to round count RELIABLY is like making cars go fast. After a certain point, every increment gets more and more expensive. The parts count on this drum is a lot more than on a 30rd mag. It's not a cost effective way to carry a total of 60 rounds that will reliably feed. It IS the most cost effective way to carry 60 rounds that will reliably feed in ONE magazine, at least in our fairly extensive testing. Because, this is America, after all. You guys have issues with the Surefires in your tests? Mine never worked right. Loved to jam up and spit rounds everywhere. I got a replacement, but honestly I dont trust it, one of these days I'll sell it. |
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Posted: 1/14/2015 11:03:01 PM EDT
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Lets keep the thread on topic
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Posted: 1/14/2015 11:10:45 PM EDT
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I look forward to this product. Should be excellent stuff as usual.
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Posted: 1/15/2015 12:17:01 AM EDT
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Don't expect the release date to be on time. I'd be surprised if they were on time. Also, I would wait for a couple years before purchasing this product. This will allow all the bugs identified and fixed for perfection. Magpul is known to release products that are subpar and leave room for improvement. Which means, they release new gear, and end up perfecting it even more to make you buy their updated version of it. This explains the many generations of their gear. Just sayin
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Posted: 1/15/2015 12:34:11 AM EDT
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Don't expect the release date to be on time. I'd be surprised if they were on time. Also, I would wait for a couple years before purchasing this product. This will allow all the bugs identified and fixed for perfection. Magpul is known to release products that are subpar and leave room for improvement. Which means, they release new gear, and end up perfecting it even more to make you buy their updated version of it. This explains the many generations of their gear. Just sayin  FFS. They're not releasing subpar items. Multiple generations happen because they choose to improve their designs using feedback from the field and newer and improved technologies. No matter how well you test an item prior to releasing it, actual use by consumers is likely to show something that could be improved, even if it is sufficient.
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Posted: 1/15/2015 1:06:53 AM EDT
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I totally agree with what you're saying but if I were to make a product for sale I would want it to be the best that it can be. Let other companies or manufacturers put out something better instead of competing with yourself. I am looking forward to getting one of these just to try out and to keep as a novelty item.
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Posted: 1/15/2015 7:27:15 AM EDT
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PLEASE offer it with the clear back
Beta figured out pretty quickly that people like the clear backs on their drums. I'm hoping Magpul is as good at listening to what their customers want. |
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Posted: 1/15/2015 12:21:07 PM EDT
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Don't expect the release date to be on time. I'd be surprised if they were on time. Also, I would wait for a couple years before purchasing this product. This will allow all the bugs identified and fixed for perfection. Magpul is known to release products that are subpar and leave room for improvement. Which means, they release new gear, and end up perfecting it even more to make you buy their updated version of it. This explains the many generations of their gear. Just sayin So we should all be driving the first F150. No need for ford to update the truck? They take user feedback for updates and real world testing changes every product. Improved manufacturing and updates to any thing in the supply change will change the final product. |
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Posted: 1/15/2015 6:20:25 PM EDT
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FFS. They're not releasing subpar items. Multiple generations happen because they choose to improve their designs using feedback from the field and newer and improved technologies. No matter how well you test an item prior to releasing it, actual use by consumers is likely to show something that could be improved, even if it is sufficient.Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't expect the release date to be on time. I'd be surprised if they were on time. Also, I would wait for a couple years before purchasing this product. This will allow all the bugs identified and fixed for perfection. Magpul is known to release products that are subpar and leave room for improvement. Which means, they release new gear, and end up perfecting it even more to make you buy their updated version of it. This explains the many generations of their gear. Just sayin FFS. They're not releasing subpar items. Multiple generations happen because they choose to improve their designs using feedback from the field and newer and improved technologies. No matter how well you test an item prior to releasing it, actual use by consumers is likely to show something that could be improved, even if it is sufficient.I've been pretty hard on Magpul lately, but I gotta agree with this. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 12:20:28 PM EDT
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So we should all be driving the first F150. No need for ford to update the truck?... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't expect the release date to be on time. I'd be surprised if they were on time. Also, I would wait for a couple years before purchasing this product. This will allow all the bugs identified and fixed for perfection. Magpul is known to release products that are subpar and leave room for improvement. Which means, they release new gear, and end up perfecting it even more to make you buy their updated version of it. This explains the many generations of their gear. Just sayin So we should all be driving the first F150. No need for ford to update the truck?... Heck, the F-150 to us WAS the update. Grew up with F-100's. In-line 300 six, three-on-the-tree; that's good stuff... On topic - I don't know if I'll spring for $130 for these or not. I won't be one of the early adopters, but if reviews are good, I may (or may not) jump on the drum train. That said, I'm HUGELY glad to see it hit the market. I don't like straight-stick AR mags past 30 rds, not going to pay the ridiculous price of a graphite-necessary beta, and too many questionable issues (and too many dollars) with the X-Products drums. If this D60 is as good as it could potentially be, it may actually be the one that finally pulls me into the drum-magazine market. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 1:45:05 PM EDT
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These look great. Can't wait for dimension and weight figures. With a $130 MSRP, street price should be around $100, about in line with Surefire's 60 rounder. Still higher than I was hoping for. Was expecting that when Magpul released a 50+ round feeding device that the price would be $50 or less, since they are known for being ultra competitive with their magazine prices. I understand about R&D and "more parts" but that polymer formula they use in all their products costs them very little in terms of actual material's cost. They have to look at it this way too, how many are they likely to sell at $100 price point vs. say a $40 price point? Even with slimmer margins, they are likely to have a much greater volume of sale that will net them more capital overall for this product. Not as many people can or will pay $100 for a product such as a magazine, also many may be hesitant to experiment with one for that price. Make the price more reasonable and not only will more buy, but there is less risk for a customer to experiment with something they may not be 100% about. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 1:46:12 PM EDT
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These look great. Can't wait for dimension and weight figures. With a $130 MSRP, street price should be around $100, about in line with Surefire's 60 rounder. Still higher than I was hoping for. Was expecting that when Magpul released a 50+ round feeding device that the price would be $50 or less, since they are known for being ultra competitive with their magazine prices. I understand about R&D and "more parts" but that polymer formula they use in all their products costs them very little in terms of actual material's cost. They have to look at it this way too, how many are they likely to sell at $100 price point vs. say a $40 price point? Even with slimmer margins, they are likely to have a much greater volume of sale that will net them more capital overall for this product. Not as many people can or will pay $100 for a product, also many may be hesitant to try one for that price. Make the price more reasonable and not only will more buy, but there is less risk for a customer to experiment with something. For $50 I would considering buying 1-2, for $100... no thanks |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 1:47:35 PM EDT
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For $50 I would considering buying 1-2, for $100... no thanks Quote HistoryQuoted:
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These look great. Can't wait for dimension and weight figures. With a $130 MSRP, street price should be around $100, about in line with Surefire's 60 rounder. Still higher than I was hoping for. Was expecting that when Magpul released a 50+ round feeding device that the price would be $50 or less, since they are known for being ultra competitive with their magazine prices. I understand about R&D and "more parts" but that polymer formula they use in all their products costs them very little in terms of actual material's cost. They have to look at it this way too, how many are they likely to sell at $100 price point vs. say a $40 price point? Even with slimmer margins, they are likely to have a much greater volume of sale that will net them more capital overall for this product. Not as many people can or will pay $100 for a product like a magazine, also many may be hesitant to try one for that price. Make the price more reasonable and not only will more buy, but there is less risk for a customer to experiment with something. For $50 I would considering buying 1-2, for $100... no thanks Case in point. Often times volume of sale is far superior in terms of revenue generation for a product, especially when it comes to something like magazines. Even at $40, you're x4+ the price of a base pmag, and x2+ the cost of their 40 rounder. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 4:12:50 PM EDT
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They will sell quite well at $120 or whatever the street price ends up being. Love the innovation magpul!
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:45:13 AM EDT
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They will sell quite well at $120 or whatever the street price ends up being. Love the innovation magpul! Hi, I don't know that I'd call this design innovative. The basic design looks like an adaptation of the Soviet RPD/RPK drum magazine updated for polymer. I wouldn't be surprised if it developed some of the same faults. Regards: |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 1:33:17 AM EDT
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Cool. I am absolutely baffled that the SAW didn't jam up from being fed through its stupid magazine well. 
What's weird is the FN M249 chokes on magazines and the Daewoo K3 (Korean M249 knockoff) runs great with either the belt or maxwell. Here is a pic of a heavily customized Daewoo K3 running a C-Mag.... 
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Posted: 1/17/2015 6:39:19 AM EDT
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I'm assuming <Edited...........GD Type commentary..........dpmmn>
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Posted: 1/17/2015 9:51:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hi, I don't know that I'd call this design innovative. The basic design looks like an adaptation of the Soviet RPD/RPK drum magazine updated for polymer. I wouldn't be surprised if it developed some of the same faults. Regards: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They will sell quite well at $120 or whatever the street price ends up being. Love the innovation magpul! Hi, I don't know that I'd call this design innovative. The basic design looks like an adaptation of the Soviet RPD/RPK drum magazine updated for polymer. I wouldn't be surprised if it developed some of the same faults. Regards: RPD's and RPK's are different since a RPD is belt fed |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 11:14:38 AM EDT
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http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/magpul-d60-inside.jpg These look great. Can't wait for dimension and weight figures. With a $130 MSRP, street price should be around $100, about in line with Surefire's 60 rounder. Still higher than I was hoping for. Was expecting that when Magpul released a 50+ round feeding device that the price would be $50 or less, since they are known for being ultra competitive with their magazine prices. I understand about R&D and "more parts" but that polymer formula they use in all their products costs them very little in terms of actual material's cost. They have to look at it this way too, how many are they likely to sell at $100 price point vs. say a $40 price point? Even with slimmer margins, they are likely to have a much greater volume of sale that will net them more capital overall for this product. Not as many people can or will pay $100 for a product such as a magazine, also many may be hesitant to experiment with one for that price. Make the price more reasonable and not only will more buy, but there is less risk for a customer to experiment with something they may not be 100% about. Or maybe they don't want to have to manufacture that many on release date so they're setting a price point to keep them from contstantly being out of stock. There's a reason the price is what it is. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 11:24:32 AM EDT
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I'm in for a couple. Good work MP.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 11:35:22 AM EDT
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What's weird is the FN M249 chokes on magazines and the Daewoo K3 (Korean M249 knockoff) runs great with either the belt or maxwell. Here is a pic of a heavily customized Daewoo K3 running a C-Mag.... http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q125/PursuitSS/range010.jpg http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q125/PursuitSS/range008.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cool. I am absolutely baffled that the SAW didn't jam up from being fed through its stupid magazine well.
What's weird is the FN M249 chokes on magazines and the Daewoo K3 (Korean M249 knockoff) runs great with either the belt or maxwell. Here is a pic of a heavily customized Daewoo K3 running a C-Mag.... http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q125/PursuitSS/range010.jpg http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q125/PursuitSS/range008.jpg Wow that thing looks awesome. Where can I get one 
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Posted: 1/17/2015 1:47:09 PM EDT
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Or maybe they don't want to have to manufacture that many on release date so they're setting a price point to keep them from contstantly being out of stock. There's a reason the price is what it is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/magpul-d60-inside.jpg These look great. Can't wait for dimension and weight figures. With a $130 MSRP, street price should be around $100, about in line with Surefire's 60 rounder. Still higher than I was hoping for. Was expecting that when Magpul released a 50+ round feeding device that the price would be $50 or less, since they are known for being ultra competitive with their magazine prices. I understand about R&D and "more parts" but that polymer formula they use in all their products costs them very little in terms of actual material's cost. They have to look at it this way too, how many are they likely to sell at $100 price point vs. say a $40 price point? Even with slimmer margins, they are likely to have a much greater volume of sale that will net them more capital overall for this product. Not as many people can or will pay $100 for a product such as a magazine, also many may be hesitant to experiment with one for that price. Make the price more reasonable and not only will more buy, but there is less risk for a customer to experiment with something they may not be 100% about. Or maybe they don't want to have to manufacture that many on release date so they're setting a price point to keep them from contstantly being out of stock. There's a reason the price is what it is. Well, that's one of the few reasons that would make sense. Hopefully in a year or so they can dedicate some more time and resources to producing them. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 11:26:47 PM EDT
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RPD's and RPK's are different since a RPD is belt fed Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They will sell quite well at $120 or whatever the street price ends up being. Love the innovation magpul! Hi, I don't know that I'd call this design innovative. The basic design looks like an adaptation of the Soviet RPDRPK drum magazine updated for polymer. I wouldn't be surprised if it developed some of the same faults. Regards: RPD's and RPK's are different since a RPD is belt fed Hi, Point taken and corrected, I do note that the both the RPD and RPK drums had issues with dirt causing extra friction. The new Magpul's P-Mag60D drum magazines feed system does resemble the older RPK feed mechanism that has much more friction than the later magazines. It'll be interesting to see how it performs with both brass and steel ammo. Best Regards: |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 12:55:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's weird is the FN M249 chokes on magazines and the Daewoo K3 (Korean M249 knockoff) runs great with either the belt or maxwell.
Here is a pic of a heavily customized Daewoo K3 running a C-Mag.... http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q125/PursuitSS/range010.jpg http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q125/PursuitSS/range008.jpg Probably nobody told the Koreans that the MINIMI doesn't actually run on magazines, so they kept working on their clone 'til it did. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 12:33:32 PM EDT
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I'm in for at least one.
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Posted: 1/19/2015 9:30:04 PM EDT
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This and the new 700 SA stock. You keep giving me reasons to buy from you. Thanks!
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Posted: 1/21/2015 9:39:27 PM EDT
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I'll deff buy a few. Lately I've been on a hi-cap mag binge. 2 MGW 90 rounders, a surefire 60, 2 korean 100 drums and 2 40rnd PMags yesterday.
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Posted: 1/21/2015 9:45:28 PM EDT
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So... Any plans for 100 round drum if the 60 goes well? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why is it the price of 13 mags? Serious question Adding to round count RELIABLY is like making cars go fast. After a certain point, every increment gets more and more expensive. The parts count on this drum is a lot more than on a 30rd mag. It's not a cost effective way to carry a total of 60 rounds that will reliably feed. It IS the most cost effective way to carry 60 rounds that will reliably feed in ONE magazine, at least in our fairly extensive testing. Because, this is America, after all. So... Any plans for 100 round drum if the 60 goes well? Since ArmaTac already has a 150rnd drum ($450) and the Korean $100/100rnd drums run fine, I think MagPul would have to make a 150 cheaply, or a 200rounder to be competitive. |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 9:40:44 PM EDT
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Well when you consider that you can buy 10 30 Rd Pmags for the price of just one of these, I see it more of a novelty than anything. If reports come back that they work as intended (Flawlessly) I'll probably buy just 1.
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Posted: 1/23/2015 8:23:29 AM EDT
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Count me in for sure
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Posted: 1/24/2015 2:04:16 AM EDT
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Well when you consider that you can buy 10 30 Rd Pmags for the price of just one of these, I see it more of a novelty than anything. If reports come back that they work as intended (Flawlessly) I'll probably buy just 1. Yeah, I deffinately buy more 30s than my bigger mags/drums. I keep one of my beta drums in my AR and keep 9 30s in my chest rig. So I buy about 10 to 1 ratio, 1 drum or surefire to 10 banana mags. |
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Posted: 1/24/2015 12:33:33 PM EDT
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Will buy at least one in sand color maybe two if they function flawlessly.
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Posted: 1/24/2015 4:53:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Will buy at least one in sand color maybe two if they function flawlessly. one or two usually end up being a dozen or two  |
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Posted: 1/24/2015 7:43:37 PM EDT
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Nice! I'd try one out.
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Posted: 1/24/2015 10:29:39 PM EDT
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If they work good, I'll buy a bunch of them just to piss the libs off.
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Posted: 1/25/2015 1:42:47 AM EDT
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I handled it at shot show. It felt solid. I mean steel solid.
The loading lever functioned smoothly. I didn't get To look at the inside but who cares. It doesn't extend further than a 30rd mag. And that is nice. Did I say that the tactile feel was marvelous? 
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Posted: 1/25/2015 1:36:37 PM EDT
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Yeah, I deffinately buy more 30s than my bigger mags/drums. I keep one of my beta drums in my AR and keep 9 30s in my chest rig. So I buy about 10 to 1 ratio, 1 drum or surefire to 10 banana mags. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well when you consider that you can buy 10 30 Rd Pmags for the price of just one of these, I see it more of a novelty than anything. If reports come back that they work as intended (Flawlessly) I'll probably buy just 1. Yeah, I deffinately buy more 30s than my bigger mags/drums. I keep one of my beta drums in my AR and keep 9 30s in my chest rig. So I buy about 10 to 1 ratio, 1 drum or surefire to 10 banana mags. What's a banana mag? Does it clip a bunch of bananas together? |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 2:14:38 PM EDT
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Can you make it a 15-rounders for us in Colorado
Nah...just like driving up to Cheyenne for fireworks, road trip is calling. Didn't you get at least one of the secret prototypes of this mag back in May of '13? I thought you did, like everyone else in this state. Anyway, that mag is pretty cool. |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 5:27:02 PM EDT
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<Edited.........GD Type image removed........dpmmn>
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Posted: 1/26/2015 10:25:40 PM EDT
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I'll definitely get 2 of them.
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Posted: 1/27/2015 2:57:32 AM EDT
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I'll end up buying at least one. I'd probably buy at least two or more if they came in at $75 or less.
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Posted: 1/27/2015 3:20:25 AM EDT
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If Magpul were a person, I'd hug you.
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Posted: 1/27/2015 5:06:33 AM EDT
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I'd certainly purchase one or two.
Thank you for posting this information. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 3:29:06 AM EDT
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I need this because of reasons!
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Posted: 1/28/2015 7:27:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I need this because of reasons! "want" is a excellent reason
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Posted: 2/2/2015 9:32:06 PM EDT
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Cool. I am absolutely baffled that the SAW didn't jam up from being fed through its stupid magazine well.
they always run well off the mag well with real ammo it's the blanks they choke on. curious But I really like the 2 surefire 60s I have I'll wait a while. |
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Posted: 2/3/2015 2:03:57 AM EDT
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I wonder if these will work with a Gen 2 Noveske lower? Surefire and Beta Mags don't....Im not sure about the 50 round X product mag?
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