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Posted: 8/23/2014 1:33:44 PM EDT
I purchased 2 coupler mags and 1 normal mag. Link to their site
I shot 400 rounds out of these three mags today. I had no FTFs or problems with the bolt locking back. I had 4 different ARs to test them with. All ARs shoot perfect with these mags. Mags I brought with me. I love how these mags are clear. My first inspection of the mags I noticed the dust cover does not push down the top round like the Pmag dust covers do to relive pressure off of the feed lips. However I like these dust covers better then the pmag ones. They seem to be tighter, slimmer and wont pop off accidentally like my pmag ones do. The rounds feed backwards from normal pmags and USGI mags. Just thought that was interesting not really a problem. Base plate is really huge so double stack mag pouches may be a problem. cool design on the bottom with easy tool-less removal. The coupling part of the mags are super easy and quick to engage and remove. However if you remove them wrong you can damage the mags. A warning comes with each mag about this. I had an RSO come over and start playing with them and broke the coupler by pulling really hard to get them apart. The other side of the mag coupler works just fine still so I will use that. Now for some bad things.............. They simply will not work with Seekins Lowers. The front stop hits long before the mag can seat. I actually gave it a few love taps and got it stuck pretty good but still would not seat. ] If you flick the mag back and forth the rounds will shoot out of the mag like a rocket. I tried this with all the other mags I brought and nothing happened. This is the closest I could get with a pmag but they never came out. One of the mags back over insersion stop was having problems with my Spikes lower and would not seat without a very hard tap to the floor plate. But the other mags were no problem. I kept removing it and putting it back in and it seems to of worked itself out. Maybe just a 100th of an inch of plastic that needed to be removed. Overall I am very happy with these mags. They are a really cool concept and I will continue to shoot them at the range. Super happy I have had zero problems with these. For now though I will stick to my pmags for protection and for competition. Please tell me what you think or your thoughts on them! |
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I just got 8 of these mags 6 coupled and 2 non. I have been super busy so tonight when I get home I will play with them .
Imho these look very promising indeed. Fwiw just remember magpul and lancer both went through several generations before their magazines were perfected . I have no doubt that these magazines will also need to be tweeked imho . I will report back tomorrow on my opinions and observations. OP thanks for the pics !!!!! |
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Nobody has any thoughts? View Quote I am still at work so I have not had a chance to open my mags yet but based on your pics here goes . 1. The base plate is way to thick . Both magpul and lancer slimmed down their base plates. I think these will have a very hard time stacking inside pouches. 2. I really do like the coupler feature. 3. I am a bit worried that the rounds could just be shaken out the top. In your opinion was this because of a lack of spring pressure or because the lips were too soft or both? 4. sounds like you put a decent amount of rounds through them so function wise it seems like it's good to go. |
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Question Please: Is there any markings on the mag that tell us where they were made? (China, USA, etc.)
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I am still at work so I have not had a chance to open my mags yet but based on your pics here goes . 1. The base plate is way to thick . Both magpul and lancer slimmed down their base plates. I think these will have a very hard time stacking inside pouches. 2. I really do like the coupler feature. 3. I am a bit worried that the rounds could just be shaken out the top. In your opinion was this because of a lack of spring pressure or because the lips were too soft or both? 4. sounds like you put a decent amount of rounds through them so function wise it seems like it's good to go. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Nobody has any thoughts? I am still at work so I have not had a chance to open my mags yet but based on your pics here goes . 1. The base plate is way to thick . Both magpul and lancer slimmed down their base plates. I think these will have a very hard time stacking inside pouches. 2. I really do like the coupler feature. 3. I am a bit worried that the rounds could just be shaken out the top. In your opinion was this because of a lack of spring pressure or because the lips were too soft or both? 4. sounds like you put a decent amount of rounds through them so function wise it seems like it's good to go. I think it was due to the feed lips being bendy mixed with the spring tension of a full mag. Thanks for the reply. I posted this morning and you have been the only one to comment so thank you. |
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As I said before magpul and lancer went through several revisions and modifications before they perfected their design.
I have no doubt that this will also be the case with this new manufacture before they perfected design. Are you sure that the cover did not take the stress off of the feed lips? if not that would surprise me it seems like it's the same type of concept as Magpul ? |
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As I said before magpul and lancer went through several revisions and modifications before they perfected their design. I have no doubt that this will also be the case with this new manufacture before they perfected design. Are you sure that the cover did not take the stress off of the feed lips? if not that would surprise me it seems like it's the same type of concept as Magpul ? View Quote They have a video on youtube that say their only purpose is to keep dust and dirt out. Plus they are clear so when you snap it on with rounds in the mag you can seen them not move. |
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I spoke with the owner this week when I ordered some magazines and he said 100 percent made in America. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Question Please: Is there any markings on the mag that tell us where they were made? (China, USA, etc.) I spoke with the owner this week when I ordered some magazines and he said 100 percent made in America. They have an account here and I ended up talking with them in another thread but it got deleted because they are not industry partners. |
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I've shot a whole bunch of rounds through these mags so far as I'm currently working on a review of my own. 0 issues to date.
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Fyi .
just got home I opened up the magazines all the magazines that I have molded on the side made in the USA. also the boxes all say made in the USA. |
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They look interesting.It's always good to have 1 more option when you're buying mags.One problem they will have is the price--19.99/17.99.It's going to be a tough sell in todays market but I wish them the best.
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They look interesting.It's always good to have 1 more option when you're buying mags.One problem they will have is the price--19.99/17.99.It's going to be a tough sell in todays market but I wish them the best. View Quote I got a $4 off code per mag from the manufacture. Not sure if I could post that on here. My last thread got nuked because of it. |
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I picked up two of the non-coupler mags with the 20% off code and they have given me a good first impression. The top of the mag sais "proudly made in the USA" and the other side has silhouettes for 5.56x45 and 7.62x35. The baseplates are wide and they actually have a built in ridge that gives you a really good surface to grip. The rear spine of the mag is crystal clear and they drop free from my Spike and Mega lowers.
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Supposedly the polymer is specifically designed for high impact resistance and is harder to crack than other polymer. I would like to see a independent torture test because the only test I know of was a drop test done by ETS. That test looked promising enough for my to try a couple.
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Supposedly the polymer is specifically designed for high impact resistance and is harder to crack than other polymer. I would like to see a independent torture test because the only test I know of was a drop test done by ETS. That test looked promising enough for my to try a couple. View Quote I'll drop them on some concrete in my video. To the earlier question---I haven't had any insertion issues but have only used them in S&W, PSA, & DD rifles so far. |
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I'll drop them on some concrete in my video. To the earlier question---I haven't had any insertion issues but have only used them in S&W, PSA, & DD rifles so far. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Supposedly the polymer is specifically designed for high impact resistance and is harder to crack than other polymer. I would like to see a independent torture test because the only test I know of was a drop test done by ETS. That test looked promising enough for my to try a couple. I'll drop them on some concrete in my video. To the earlier question---I haven't had any insertion issues but have only used them in S&W, PSA, & DD rifles so far. I have tried it in a psa, cmmg, colt, seekin's, spikes, bushmaster and stag. Only had problems with the spikes but after ramming it in a dozen times it works fine now. |
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I shot 2 mags loaded 4 times each out of a full auto this weekend and didnt have any problems. No misfeeds and bolt locked back each time. GTG so far for me.
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I f you don't need the interlock feature, what's the advantage over this? http://dsgarms.com/content/images/thumbs/0007891_lancer-l5awm-556mm-30rd-mag.png View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Nobody has any thoughts? I f you don't need the interlock feature, what's the advantage over this? http://dsgarms.com/content/images/thumbs/0007891_lancer-l5awm-556mm-30rd-mag.png There doesn't seem to be any advantage over Lancers or PMAGS (or even GI aluminum mags). |
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There doesn't seem to be any advantage over Lancers or PMAGS (or even GI aluminum mags). View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Nobody has any thoughts? I f you don't need the interlock feature, what's the advantage over this? http://dsgarms.com/content/images/thumbs/0007891_lancer-l5awm-556mm-30rd-mag.png There doesn't seem to be any advantage over Lancers or PMAGS (or even GI aluminum mags). They are designed not to break. They are a little more flexible then any other mag I have. Like Pmags and lancers are more brittle. |
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Okay, so they are designed not to break?
Have we seen a problem with PMags, lancers, tapco or hK polymer mags breaking? |
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Quoted: They are designed not to break. They are a little more flexible then any other mag I have. Like Pmags and lancers are more brittle. View Quote Just remember at the end of the day that all magazines are disposable I have yet to see a brittle PMag or Lancer Just a friendly reminder that if you are going to post stuff like this you had better be able to back it up with facts and proof |
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Nobody has any thoughts? I f you don't need the interlock feature, what's the advantage over this? http://dsgarms.com/content/images/thumbs/0007891_lancer-l5awm-556mm-30rd-mag.png No advantage. Lancers are KING. HANDS DOWN |
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No advantage. Lancers are KING. HANDS DOWN View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Nobody has any thoughts? I f you don't need the interlock feature, what's the advantage over this? http://dsgarms.com/content/images/thumbs/0007891_lancer-l5awm-556mm-30rd-mag.png No advantage. Lancers are KING. HANDS DOWN King of rust. |
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Nobody has any thoughts? I f you don't need the interlock feature, what's the advantage over this? http://dsgarms.com/content/images/thumbs/0007891_lancer-l5awm-556mm-30rd-mag.png No advantage. Lancers are KING. HANDS DOWN King of rust. Proof? or get out of the tech forums.. |
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Nobody has any thoughts? I f you don't need the interlock feature, what's the advantage over this? http://dsgarms.com/content/images/thumbs/0007891_lancer-l5awm-556mm-30rd-mag.png No advantage. Lancers are KING. HANDS DOWN King of rust. Proof? or get out of the tech forums.. If everything written on the "tech" forum has to come with proof this place is going to get very quiet. This place has de-evolved into an opinion and fan site........ |
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If everything written on the "tech" forum has to come with proof this place is going to get very quiet. This place has de-evolved into an opinion and fan site........ View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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King of rust. Proof? or get out of the tech forums.. If everything written on the "tech" forum has to come with proof this place is going to get very quiet. This place has de-evolved into an opinion and fan site........ So what exactly is making the claim of lancer's rusting without it every actually happening (that you can show to us) only to make others think something else is better? I would think that is the definition of a fanboys and opinion. |
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So what exactly is making the claim of lancer's rusting without it every actually happening (that you can show to us) only to make others think something else is better? I would think that is the definition of a fanboys and opinion. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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King of rust. Proof? or get out of the tech forums.. If everything written on the "tech" forum has to come with proof this place is going to get very quiet. This place has de-evolved into an opinion and fan site........ So what exactly is making the claim of lancer's rusting without it every actually happening (that you can show to us) only to make others think something else is better? I would think that is the definition of a fanboys and opinion. The fact that two of my three lancers rusted. Went shooting and threw my mags in my trunk. Came back a few months later and the feed lips on thetwo lancers were rusted. I live in a desert were it's over 100+ every day in the Summer. |
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Sweet! Are you Eddie, the one that emailed me? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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We are now industry partners on AR15.com. We will be active on these forums to answer any questions that may arise. Also feel free to PM us or reach out to us in our own industry forum. Thanks for all of the support. Sweet! Are you Eddie, the one that emailed me? Yeah, I am the one who posted, but it may not always be me, I guess I will start signing my posts. Thanks again for trying our mags, and thanks for the nice write up and pictures. Eddie |
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Nobody has any thoughts? I f you don't need the interlock feature, what's the advantage over this? http://dsgarms.com/content/images/thumbs/0007891_lancer-l5awm-556mm-30rd-mag.png While the hybrid mags with steel feed lips are very robust, they are not without their drawbacks. The steel is not stainless, thus is very prone to rusting. The steel is also far less chemical resistant that our plastic. When we started our design we thought if we could make an all plastic mag with feed lips that are tough enough to hang with the steel, that would be a victory because our plastic is more chemical resistant, and won't rust. Also, it's important to know that cyclical stress is an important factor for these feed lips. Each time a round is stripped off and the next round pops up, the feed lip see a good amount of cyclical stress. Over time and many cycles most materials will weaken and eventually fail. Now please understand we are talking about many thousands of cycles, but with that said, our material was testes at 1000 psi and it took 100,000,000 cycles before the plastic failed. I can confidently say that our feed lips are are in fact tougher than the steel hybrid mags feed lips. We had to drop these mags on their lips from a lot higher than 6 feet, but the steel bent before ours (in fact, we haven't been able to get ours to break yet...). Now please understand one more thing, we are not at all saying that the hybrid mag is not tough enough, because it certainly is very impressive. We are just saying that our is as tough, and it won't rust. The reason I'm getting into such detail is to make sure everyone understands that we have put a lot of thought and testing into these mags and we think our solution to the unique challenges presented for the AR mag is the best combination of toughness, chemical resistance, and thermal stability on the market today.(plus it's transparent) And as far as the Lancer mag specifically is concerned, our mag without the coupler is several dollars cheaper than a lancer, so that's an advantage... |
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Hmm. Maybe I could be swayed from my Lancers with a free ETS sample.
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Hmm stronger then lancers steel feedlips... now that is a claim I would love to see tested and proven. Magpul tests theirs mags at some extreme circumstances and yet their polymer feedlips and spines crack.
But tim will tell. ETS you should look up the ultimate mag comparison on here and send that guy a few samples if he ever has time for round 2. I am interested in what chemicals will destroy a metal feedlip but not a polymer |
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While the hybrid mags with steel feed lips are very robust, they are not without their drawbacks. The steel is not stainless, thus is very prone to rusting. The steel is also far less chemical resistant that our plastic. When we started our design we thought if we could make an all plastic mag with feed lips that are tough enough to hang with the steel, that would be a victory because our plastic is more chemical resistant, and won't rust. Also, it's important to know that cyclical stress is an important factor for these feed lips. Each time a round is stripped off and the next round pops up, the feed lip see a good amount of cyclical stress. Over time and many cycles most materials will weaken and eventually fail. Now please understand we are talking about many thousands of cycles, but with that said, our material was testes at 1000 psi and it took 100,000,000 cycles before the plastic failed. I can confidently say that our feed lips are are in fact tougher than the steel hybrid mags feed lips. We had to drop these mags on their lips from a lot higher than 6 feet, but the steel bent before ours (in fact, we haven't been able to get ours to break yet...). Now please understand one more thing, we are not at all saying that the hybrid mag is not tough enough, because it certainly is very impressive. We are just saying that our is as tough, and it won't rust. The reason I'm getting into such detail is to make sure everyone understands that we have put a lot of thought and testing into these mags and we think our solution to the unique challenges presented for the AR mag is the best combination of toughness, chemical resistance, and thermal stability on the market today.(plus it's transparent) And as far as the Lancer mag specifically is concerned, our mag without the coupler is several dollars cheaper than a lancer, so that's an advantage... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Nobody has any thoughts? I f you don't need the interlock feature, what's the advantage over this? http://dsgarms.com/content/images/thumbs/0007891_lancer-l5awm-556mm-30rd-mag.png While the hybrid mags with steel feed lips are very robust, they are not without their drawbacks. The steel is not stainless, thus is very prone to rusting. The steel is also far less chemical resistant that our plastic. When we started our design we thought if we could make an all plastic mag with feed lips that are tough enough to hang with the steel, that would be a victory because our plastic is more chemical resistant, and won't rust. Also, it's important to know that cyclical stress is an important factor for these feed lips. Each time a round is stripped off and the next round pops up, the feed lip see a good amount of cyclical stress. Over time and many cycles most materials will weaken and eventually fail. Now please understand we are talking about many thousands of cycles, but with that said, our material was testes at 1000 psi and it took 100,000,000 cycles before the plastic failed. I can confidently say that our feed lips are are in fact tougher than the steel hybrid mags feed lips. We had to drop these mags on their lips from a lot higher than 6 feet, but the steel bent before ours (in fact, we haven't been able to get ours to break yet...). Now please understand one more thing, we are not at all saying that the hybrid mag is not tough enough, because it certainly is very impressive. We are just saying that our is as tough, and it won't rust. The reason I'm getting into such detail is to make sure everyone understands that we have put a lot of thought and testing into these mags and we think our solution to the unique challenges presented for the AR mag is the best combination of toughness, chemical resistance, and thermal stability on the market today.(plus it's transparent) And as far as the Lancer mag specifically is concerned, our mag without the coupler is several dollars cheaper than a lancer, so that's an advantage... |
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Hmm stronger then lancers steel feedlips... now that is a claim I would love to see tested and proven. Magpul tests theirs mags at some extreme circumstances and yet their polymer feedlips and spines crack. But tim will tell. ETS you should look up the ultimate mag comparison on here and send that guy a few samples if he ever has time for round 2. I am interested in what chemicals will destroy a metal feedlip but not a polymer View Quote We are working on a video that shows our mag being dropped from about 20 feet into concrete fully loaded without breaking, that will be coming shortly. I can assure you that our polymer is not at all like the typical glass nylon used in most poly mags. I also want to clarify the statement that our plastic is not "stronger" than steel. And while I know this will come across as semantics, I think it's important to clarify. Our feed lips are more than twice as thick as the steel hybrid mags feed lips. This along with our special plastic allows our feed lips to endure more impact (energy) without permanently deforming than the much thinner steel feed lips. The term strong usually refers to ultimate tensile strength (the amount of strain a materiel can handle without permanently deforming) and in that regard, there are not many materials that are better than steel. However, as said before, we went a different direction when we decided to use a material that can bend MUCH farther than most steels without permanently deforming. This is what gives us such incredible impact resistance. As far as chemicals, there are many that will react with steel but not our plastic. The easy answer is hydrochloric acid. It would dissolve the steel in short order, but you could leave our plastic in it for a week (we did) and it would not be changed in any measurable way. Also, I have read the unscientific plastic magazine comparison thread, actually several times. I find it extremely interesting and to be honest, it inspired many of our outstanding properties. Before we started this project, I had many mags fail on me from accidentally dropping them ( I guess I am a little more clumsy than some people) and once I saw that thread I knew it was a problem that pretty much all poly mags suffered from. I hope the next time that guy does a mag test he will include ours, I'm actually counting on it. Ultimately, I have heard many times, as I'm sure most people on this forum have, that mags are disposable items because they fail fairly regularly. One of our hopes is to somewhat change peoples mind about what a mag CAN be. Meaning that if we make them well enough and tough enough people won't have to treat them like disposable items. Unless you lose our mag, you shouldn't have to replace it. Since this platform came out over 50 years ago, there have been remarkable advances in processes and materials. In my opinion it's crazy to think we couldn't make a better mag in today's age than 50 years ago. I think the weakest link now is the spring, which should be good for over 20k rounds. That was one of our goals. I'm hoping that when you guys get a chance to use them, and test them a bit, you will agree. (ps...sorry for the long winded responses. I'm just wanting to give you all some background as to our thought process, goals, and ultimately what we have achieved with these new mags. We think in the end they will be a game changer.) |
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