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Posted: 2/8/2017 8:31:31 PM EDT
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Thanks for the input Wolverine...with everyone's suggestion of Wolf Gold I think I might be leaning that way. Does it tend to run dirtier than others? Any insight as to why it tends to be cheaper than all the others? Also, what should/shouldn't I be looking to pay for Wolf Gold? Right now, no more than $0.32/round shipped to Oregon. SGAmmo and Target Sports USA have this ammo in stock at these kinds of prices. I prefer SGAmmo, but I have had good dealings with Target Sports USA as well. ETA: I do not believe it is any dirtier than Federal Lake City XM193. It is loaded as a .223 loading so not quite as hot as M193, but very close. Not sure this is why it is less expensive, but I assume that Taiwanese labor costs are probably why it is somewhat lower in cost. |
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Posted: 2/8/2017 8:35:30 PM EDT
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Thanks for the input Wolverine...with everyone's suggestion of Wolf Gold I think I might be leaning that way. Does it tend to run dirtier than others? Any insight as to why it tends to be cheaper than all the others? Also, what should/shouldn't I be looking to pay for Wolf Gold? Its cheaper because its imported. http://sgammo.com/product/223-556mm-ammo/1000-round-case-223-rem-55-grain-fmj-brass-case-non-magnetic-wolf-gold-ar-15- |
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Posted: 2/8/2017 8:43:44 PM EDT
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Curious what the best prices you guys have seen Wolf Gold for lately?
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Posted: 2/8/2017 8:59:10 PM EDT
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Curious what the best prices you guys have seen Wolf Gold for lately? |
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Posted: 2/8/2017 9:02:24 PM EDT
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Curious what the best prices you guys have seen Wolf Gold for lately? Click here to see prices from ammoseek.com. Careful, these prices are without shipping and tax (if any). |
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Posted: 2/8/2017 11:04:11 PM EDT
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the two posts above yours have prices. Yeah, I was wondering if prices have been better than that recently, or if that's basically the bottom of the range now. |
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Posted: 2/8/2017 11:08:09 PM EDT
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Random question...does anyone buy up the AE tracer rounds? Seems like I never see anyone talking about it...
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Posted: 2/14/2017 12:18:43 AM EDT
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Stay away from the independence. I've gotten 3 popped primers from the same lot of ammo.
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Posted: 2/14/2017 3:39:22 AM EDT
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Stay away from the independence. I've gotten 3 popped primers from the same lot of ammo. Thank you for the heads up! |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 8:05:41 PM EDT
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Stay away from the independence. I've gotten 3 popped primers from the same lot of ammo. Thank you for the heads up! |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 3:29:34 PM EDT
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I have shot thousands of rounds of Independence ammo and never had an issue. BTW, every ammo makers has a bad lot every now and again, but don't rule it out. If you have a problem with Independence, then you have a problem with Federal, cuz that's who makes it. Actually no, IMI makes the Independence 5.56 ammo, they have also recently put out several lots of ammo under their own brand that was popping primers even in 5.56 chambers. |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 6:01:51 PM EDT
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Actually no, IMI makes the Independence 5.56 ammo, they have also recently put out several lots of ammo under their own brand that was popping primers even in 5.56 chambers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have shot thousands of rounds of Independence ammo and never had an issue. BTW, every ammo makers has a bad lot every now and again, but don't rule it out. If you have a problem with Independence, then you have a problem with Federal, cuz that's who makes it. Actually no, IMI makes the Independence 5.56 ammo, they have also recently put out several lots of ammo under their own brand that was popping primers even in 5.56 chambers. 
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Posted: 2/15/2017 7:06:42 PM EDT
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Wolf Gold.
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Posted: 2/15/2017 9:07:54 PM EDT
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I have had exceptional accuracy with the last batch of MEN.... especially considering it is "inexpensive" ball ammo.
20rds, benched , scoped, bagged, 20" Krieger....20rds rapid fire. Oops, forgot to add the range. 100yds. 
I am also a big fan of 55gr GECO .223.... my Krieger actually preferred the 5.56 version.... but all my other barrels shoot it quite well. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 12:11:45 AM EDT
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I have had exceptional accuracy with the last batch of MEN.... especially considering it is "inexpensive" ball ammo. 20rds, benched , scoped, bagged, 20" Krieger....20rds rapid fire. https://scontent.fsnc1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/r270/13920276_1234687796551985_958331030784365553_o.jpg?oh=12087dff61b169c7e30fdd56efff2a3b&oe=59484AC0 I am also a big fan of 55gr GECO .223.... my Krieger actually preferred the 5.56 version.... but all my other barrels shoot it quite well. What range? 100 yards |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 7:35:55 AM EDT
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I have had exceptional accuracy with the last batch of MEN.... especially considering it is "inexpensive" ball ammo. 20rds, benched , scoped, bagged, 20" Krieger....20rds rapid fire. https://scontent.fsnc1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/r270/13920276_1234687796551985_958331030784365553_o.jpg?oh=12087dff61b169c7e30fdd56efff2a3b&oe=59484AC0 I am also a big fan of 55gr GECO .223.... my Krieger actually preferred the 5.56 version.... but all my other barrels shoot it quite well. What range? 100 yards He's got a quarter with it... more like 25 yards. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 8:04:37 AM EDT
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Wolf Gold
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Posted: 2/16/2017 4:00:39 PM EDT
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Sorry my bad.. I will add the range to the previous post.
100yds. |
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Posted: 2/20/2017 12:46:08 AM EDT
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Can someone point me in the right direction as far as the differences between the red box American Eagle, the Black box American Eagle, and the Brown box Federal .223/5.56?
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Posted: 2/27/2017 10:20:38 AM EDT
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I'm stacked pretty deep with IMI, always liked it's consistency and dependability. There's a few threads about Geco which has been my go to 9mm ball. The threads were raving about the accuracy of the .223 over the 5.56 55 grain. I bought some but have yet to try it. Always keep in mind every barrel is different. What rocks for one rifle may be a disappointment out of it's brother. If you don't have an assortment of uppers to experiment with or your budget is limited it's always smart to try a smaller amount before you buy case loads. With that being said.......... I did just take note of some new 56 grain....not a typo, FIFTY SIX grain MEN out of Germany that SGammo just announced they had in stock. I did a quick search of MEN 5.56 reviews and found this and more: "Metallwerk Elisenhuette GmbH (MEN) is a German company that is part of the CBC family (Magtech/CBC/S&B). This company outfits the German Military and Police with ammunition and is considered some of the best in the world." This was posted a couple of weeks ago by Grant who owns SGammo on another forum: "Talked to Mr. Ken Hackathorn today about this ammo. He shot .5" group with a 1-4 S&B Short Dot and his Colt. Highly impressed with the quality and capability. Just thought I would share some real feedback from a quality shooter." That was all it took for me. Found myself pulling the trigger on 3 cases last night and also decided to give the MEN 9mm a try as well. Should be rolling in early next week. Now hopefully the weather will cooperate. I recall that thread but, SGammo is run by Sam Gabbert (the SG In SGammo )the guy you're talking who said he talked to Ken Hackathorn runs a different company. You're info is still otherwise good and that very statement led me to buy some German MEN. Ammo, not actual men. |
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Posted: 2/27/2017 1:48:21 PM EDT
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Everyone I'm sure has their favorite place to order from, even if it's a tad more expensive, because of good service. This is mine.
Wold Gold |
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Posted: 3/4/2017 7:38:53 PM EDT
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Actually no, IMI makes the Independence 5.56 ammo, they have also recently put out several lots of ammo under their own brand that was popping primers even in 5.56 chambers. Yeah, I've been avoiding Independence since reading the test results that several people posted a couple years ago on various forums indicating that it was loaded to an unusually high pressure for 5.56. As I understand it, it's assembled by IMI using components provided by Federal. IMI M193, on the other hand, is in spec, quality ammo from everything I've seen, although it seems a little dirty to me. Widener's used to have a great deal on a 1,200-round case, but they don't seem to be carrying it anymore. |
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Posted: 3/4/2017 8:14:20 PM EDT
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How does the fn 556 that popped up recently got $299 case compare to wolf gold?
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Posted: 3/4/2017 10:07:12 PM EDT
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Wolf,gold Stack deep. |
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Posted: 3/9/2017 8:34:53 PM EDT
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Can someone tell me what the difference is between the Federal American Eagle MSR in the white and blue box here: Federal American Eagle MSR 5.56
And the black box AE Tactical? |
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Posted: 3/9/2017 8:41:49 PM EDT
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American eagle 55gr, and x-tac 62gr... love me some green tip
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Posted: 3/10/2017 12:08:37 PM EDT
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I have some of all. buy whatever is the best price. Me too... and now that ammo is coming down, I wonder if i should be stocking ss109.... |
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Posted: 3/10/2017 12:13:44 PM EDT
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Me too... and now that ammo is coming down, I wonder if i should be stocking ss109.... ss109? Link?! |
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Posted: 3/10/2017 12:40:30 PM EDT
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ss109? Link?! Ammo depot. $299 case. Fn made. |
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Posted: 3/10/2017 3:54:14 PM EDT
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Ammo depot. $299 case. Fn made. I don't know anything about ss109...can someone enlighten me?! |
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Posted: 3/10/2017 4:32:09 PM EDT
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I don't know anything about ss109...can someone enlighten me?! It's basically our M855 62 grain steel penetrator ammo. SS109 is the NATO standard number. Our M855 exceeds the SS109 Spec. |
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Posted: 3/10/2017 5:38:32 PM EDT
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It's basically our M855 62 grain steel penetrator ammo. SS109 is the NATO standard number. Our M855 exceeds the SS109 Spec. Awesome, thank you! |
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Posted: 3/10/2017 7:52:10 PM EDT
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It's basically our M855 62 grain steel penetrator ammo. SS109 is the NATO standard number. Our M855 exceeds the SS109 Spec. I have the M855 specs but haven't been able to find anything on the SS109 |
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Posted: 3/10/2017 7:57:07 PM EDT
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Can someone tell me what the difference is between the Federal American Eagle MSR in the white and blue box here: Federal American Eagle MSR 5.56 And the black box AE Tactical? The black box is 223 and the MSR(modern sporting rifle) is 5.56 |
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Posted: 3/10/2017 8:08:40 PM EDT
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AIM has cases of PPU m193 for $309 shipped. Just ordered one, prices are starting to drop wweeeee.
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Posted: 3/11/2017 12:27:59 PM EDT
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Marketing gimmicks. The black box is 223 and the MSR(modern sporting rifle) is 5.56 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can someone tell me what the difference is between the Federal American Eagle MSR in the white and blue box here: Federal American Eagle MSR 5.56 And the black box AE Tactical? The black box is 223 and the MSR(modern sporting rifle) is 5.56 There is also an AE black box 5.56. Is the .223 tipped off by the "tactical" term above? |
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Posted: 3/11/2017 1:01:14 PM EDT
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There is also an AE black box 5.56. Is the .223 tipped off by the "tactical" term above? I thought the AE black box 5.56 I have said "Tactical" on the box. Either way, I was inquiring about the difference between the black and blue/white boxes of same caliber, and it sounds like it's just new vs old packaging. |
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Posted: 3/11/2017 5:33:56 PM EDT
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I thought the AE black box 5.56 I have said "Tactical" on the box. Either way, I was inquiring about the difference between the black and blue/white boxes of same caliber, and it sounds like it's just new vs old packaging. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is also an AE black box 5.56. Is the .223 tipped off by the "tactical" term above? I thought the AE black box 5.56 I have said "Tactical" on the box. Either way, I was inquiring about the difference between the black and blue/white boxes of same caliber, and it sounds like it's just new vs old packaging. |
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Posted: 3/11/2017 6:02:55 PM EDT
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AIM has cases of PPU m193 for $309 shipped. Just ordered one, prices are starting to drop wweeeee. For me, Wolf Gold printed the same as IMI M193 at 100 yards with my SR-15 wearing a 1-6 optic. Which is pretty close to Black Hills 77gr TMK. This is the only reason that I can find to stock the WG instead of SS109 |
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Posted: 3/12/2017 12:08:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/17/2017 3:58:55 PM EDT
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I'd love to try some GECO and see how it shoots out of my rifles compared to Wolf Gold, but lately it's shot up in price...I'm seeing it $25-$50.00 a case more than Wolf Golf.
Anybody know of any deals on GECO? |
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Posted: 3/17/2017 6:06:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryNow down to $279.78 shipped for a case of PMP M193
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Posted: 3/18/2017 9:19:03 PM EDT
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Now down to $279.78 shipped for a case of PMP M193 
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Posted: 3/18/2017 9:40:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryNever heard of PMP. Good shit or just shit?
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Posted: 3/21/2017 7:16:27 AM EDT
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Never heard of PMP. Good shit or just shit? 
ETA: Damn out of stock now. SGAMMO has the same case but its like $60 more. 
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Posted: 3/21/2017 3:05:50 PM EDT
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I have tons of M193 and XM193 around for the range. For defensive use, I have stocked up on .223 64gr Gold Dot. 1) It is our issued duty ammo at work and 2) PSA frequently has it on sale for $11/box...
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Posted: 3/21/2017 5:16:48 PM EDT
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Target Sports USA has Wolf Gold for $289.50 shipped.
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