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Posted: 10/20/2016 10:40:18 PM EDT
http://media.vistaoutdoor.com/presskit/NPS/Federal_Premium/FC262_556x45mm_NATO/16-NPS_Ammo_Federal_FC262_FNL.pdf
Various places show it.... but none have had any in stock for months... anyone seen any ? 
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Posted: 10/22/2016 1:07:07 AM EDT
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I'd be interested in giving that a try. I haven't even heard about it.
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Posted: 11/17/2016 11:36:04 AM EDT
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Got some... should be here next week.
Posted where in the "Where to find Ammo" link. |
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Posted: 11/17/2016 1:43:23 PM EDT
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Got some... should be here next week. Posted where in the "Where to find Ammo" link. I hope they do you better than they did me. Waiting for over a month now for a small order of black hills 77 TMK. Check out thier ratings on Facebook, thier shipping sucks. |
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Posted: 11/17/2016 2:22:29 PM EDT
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I hope they do you better than they did me. Waiting for over a month now for a small order of black hills 77 TMK. Check out thier ratings on Facebook, thier shipping sucks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Got some... should be here next week. Posted where in the "Where to find Ammo" link. I hope they do you better than they did me. Waiting for over a month now for a small order of black hills 77 TMK. Check out thier ratings on Facebook, thier shipping sucks. That's really odd. I'm just North of you in VA, and I have never had a problem with Target Sports USA shipping. Typically 2 days at the most to process an order and to get the shipping notice. My last order with them was for 500 rounds of BH 5.56 77gr TMK. Ordered on 9/4/2016 and received on 9/12/2016 (free shipping). This was very typical timing for me. I'm not their best customer at all either. I buy mostly from SGAmmo. I wonder if they screwed up on inventory and you're on a back order. |
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Posted: 11/17/2016 2:48:38 PM EDT
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is that a Mk262 clone? how much per round?
i've been using the IMI 77gr razor with good success, no over pressured stuff yet in over 2000 rounds, mostly older stock though. look forward to the review when you get it. |
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Posted: 11/17/2016 4:58:58 PM EDT
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That's really odd. I'm just North of you in VA, and I have never had a problem with Target Sports USA shipping. Typically 2 days at the most to process an order and to get the shipping notice. My last order with them was for 500 rounds of BH 5.56 77gr TMK. Ordered on 9/4/2016 and received on 9/12/2016 (free shipping). This was very typical timing for me. I'm not their best customer at all either. I buy mostly from SGAmmo. I wonder if they screwed up on inventory and you're on a back order. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Got some... should be here next week. Posted where in the "Where to find Ammo" link. I hope they do you better than they did me. Waiting for over a month now for a small order of black hills 77 TMK. Check out thier ratings on Facebook, thier shipping sucks. That's really odd. I'm just North of you in VA, and I have never had a problem with Target Sports USA shipping. Typically 2 days at the most to process an order and to get the shipping notice. My last order with them was for 500 rounds of BH 5.56 77gr TMK. Ordered on 9/4/2016 and received on 9/12/2016 (free shipping). This was very typical timing for me. I'm not their best customer at all either. I buy mostly from SGAmmo. I wonder if they screwed up on inventory and you're on a back order. I emailed them on Monday and I was told "it will ship tomorrow". It's Thursday and still shows processing. |
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Posted: 11/17/2016 6:25:12 PM EDT
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I hope they do you better than they did me. Waiting for over a month now for a small order of black hills 77 TMK. Check out thier ratings on Facebook, thier shipping sucks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Got some... should be here next week. Posted where in the "Where to find Ammo" link. I hope they do you better than they did me. Waiting for over a month now for a small order of black hills 77 TMK. Check out thier ratings on Facebook, thier shipping sucks. While they are mildly slow at shipping... I have never had a single problem with them..... At least 5-6 years worth of orders. BTW...You also might consider trying the Creedmoor 77 and 69 gr TMK, its accuracy and velocity is very GTG. |
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Posted: 11/17/2016 6:28:34 PM EDT
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is that a Mk262 clone? how much per round? i've been using the IMI 77gr razor with good success, no over pressured stuff yet in over 2000 rounds, mostly older stock though. look forward to the review when you get it. This is all I know about it.... ( note the date ) http://media.vistaoutdoor.com/presskit/NPS/Federal_Premium/FC262_556x45mm_NATO/16-NPS_Ammo_Federal_FC262_FNL.pdf |
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Posted: 11/18/2016 2:23:35 AM EDT
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Got some... should be here next week. Posted where in the "Where to find Ammo" link. Looking forward to your results! |
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Posted: 11/18/2016 9:33:45 AM EDT
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Sportsman's Guide shows it in stock for $16.14/box of 20. Free delivery.
Is Federal trying to take over the contract from Black Hills? |
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Posted: 12/4/2016 3:50:23 AM EDT
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Any updates on how the FC262 shoots? I just ordered a few boxes to see how it works in my Mk12.
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Posted: 12/15/2016 1:12:05 AM EDT
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Has anybody shot this stuff is it any good?
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Posted: 12/16/2016 8:59:35 AM EDT
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I picked up 2 boxes locally. I would go shoot them but it's been extremely cold and staying indoors sounds so much better haha.
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Posted: 12/16/2016 9:36:14 AM EDT
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I picked up 2 boxes locally. I would go shoot them but it's been extremely cold and staying indoors sounds so much better haha. Weather is pretty brutal all over the country right now. I've got 400 rounds of ammo that needs shot waiting in my range bag..damn ice! This ammo looks promising. |
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Posted: 12/16/2016 9:48:50 AM EDT
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Weather is pretty brutal all over the country right now. I've got 400 rounds of ammo that needs shot waiting in my range bag..damn ice! This ammo looks promising. After work today I might get some pictures and measure out some stats and weights. See how consistent it is across the board. |
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Posted: 12/16/2016 11:38:17 AM EDT
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Weather is pretty brutal all over the country right now. I've got 400 rounds of ammo that needs shot waiting in my range bag..damn ice! This ammo looks promising. This... I might make it to the range Sunday.... weather permitting ! |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 4:38:50 AM EDT
[#18]
I can't say I recall ever seeing a primer stamped. That is very interesting on its own.
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Posted: 12/19/2016 9:04:12 AM EDT
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I can't say I recall ever seeing a primer stamped. That is very interesting on its own. My thoughts as well |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 10:15:39 AM EDT
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My thoughts as well Federals "AR" primer http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2011/09/new-federal-gold-medal-match-primers-for-ars/ |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 1:49:38 PM EDT
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I'll be damned..never heard of those.
Certainly looks like high quality ammo. Can't believe you guys punch paper with that stuff :P I'd just load it in GI mags then wait for the show to start.. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 6:54:13 PM EDT
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Weather finally played nice, got into the 40s today. The ammo, however, did not. Shot some very nice 5 round groups just under an inch. I was noticing some ejector swipes and raised portions of the brass that didn't look good. The last round of the first 20 round box popped the primer and I said no more. Rifle is a Mk12 mod 1 clone with Douglas barrel from High Caliber Sales. Could it be the rifle possibly? It's been a little while since I've scrubbed the chamber. My cleaning schedule is run a boresnake through the bore and wipe down the bolt carrier and barrel extension. What chamber does the barrel have? Have you measured it? Any popped primers with other 5.56 pressure ammo? |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 7:33:14 PM EDT
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What chamber does the barrel have? Have you measured it? Any popped primers with other 5.56 pressure ammo? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Weather finally played nice, got into the 40s today. The ammo, however, did not. Shot some very nice 5 round groups just under an inch. I was noticing some ejector swipes and raised portions of the brass that didn't look good. The last round of the first 20 round box popped the primer and I said no more. Rifle is a Mk12 mod 1 clone with Douglas barrel from High Caliber Sales. Could it be the rifle possibly? It's been a little while since I've scrubbed the chamber. My cleaning schedule is run a boresnake through the bore and wipe down the bolt carrier and barrel extension. What chamber does the barrel have? Have you measured it? Any popped primers with other 5.56 pressure ammo? Have never measured it, didn't know I could do such a thing. Chamber is 'Optimized for Mk262 (Black Hills 77gr equivalent)' -taken from High Caliber Sales website where I bought it. Have fired real M855, and 3 different lots of Magtech CBC 77gr 5.56. The most recent lot of CBC has shown a little more pressure than usual but when shot side by side with previous lots, they show no signs. This is the first popped primer in this rifle. |
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Posted: 12/21/2016 5:07:06 AM EDT
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Have never measured it, didn't know I could do such a thing. Chamber is 'Optimized for Mk262 (Black Hills 77gr equivalent)' -taken from High Caliber Sales website where I bought it. Have fired real M855, and 3 different lots of Magtech CBC 77gr 5.56. The most recent lot of CBC has shown a little more pressure than usual but when shot side by side with previous lots, they show no signs. This is the first popped primer in this rifle. |
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Posted: 12/21/2016 6:14:10 AM EDT
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I've got two cases of it and a box of 20 to see what I see.
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Posted: 12/21/2016 8:45:44 AM EDT
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High pressure ammo in FC brass!
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Posted: 12/21/2016 12:31:25 PM EDT
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High pressure ammo in FC brass! is FC brass known to be soft? |
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Posted: 12/21/2016 2:54:48 PM EDT
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is FC brass known to be soft? Federal has had issues with soft brass before... as in throw it away after a stout load. I hope this load is going to do better then "blown primers" .... I won't be able to get to the range with mine until after Christmas... I am a little concerned, if this blew a primer and showed over pressure signs in 40 degree temps... 90 degree's will be scary. Federal isn't stupid though... they must have developed the load some how !? I might just send them an e-mail and see if there is anything they have to say concerning this. |
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Posted: 12/21/2016 3:05:16 PM EDT
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Federal has had issues with soft brass before... as in throw it away after a stout load. I hope this load is going to do better then "blown primers" .... I won't be able to get to the range with mine until after Christmas... I am a little concerned, if this blew a primer and showed over pressure signs in 40 degree temps... 90 degree's will be scary. Federal isn't stupid though... they must have developed the load some how !? I might just send them an e-mail and see if there is anything they have to say concerning this. Do you have contact info so I can send them pics and my experience? |
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Posted: 12/21/2016 3:11:44 PM EDT
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Do you have contact info so I can send them pics and my experience? https://www.federalpremium.com/company/contact_us.aspx |
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Posted: 12/21/2016 4:20:27 PM EDT
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Federal has had issues with soft brass before... as in throw it away after a stout load. I hope this load is going to do better then "blown primers" .... I won't be able to get to the range with mine until after Christmas... I am a little concerned, if this blew a primer and showed over pressure signs in 40 degree temps... 90 degree's will be scary. Federal isn't stupid though... they must have developed the load some how !? I might just send them an e-mail and see if there is anything they have to say concerning this. Any reloader will tell you that Federal brass as a WHOLE is softer brass. It's a relative thing but in general it is considered soft. |
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Posted: 12/21/2016 4:27:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryDone. Will update when I get a response. |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 12:43:42 AM EDT
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Done. Will update when I get a response. I'm interested to hear the response. I've shot a fair amount of this round through multiple guns (both 5.56 and Wylde chambers) with no pressure signs or primer issues. |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 12:27:32 PM EDT
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Any reloader will tell you that Federal brass as a WHOLE is softer brass. It's a relative thing but in general it is considered soft. Very true, I use Federal brass as long as it's usable. |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 12:31:08 PM EDT
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Weather finally played nice, got into the 40s today. The ammo, however, did not. Shot some very nice 5 round groups just under an inch. I was noticing some ejector swipes and raised portions of the brass that didn't look good. The last round of the first 20 round box popped the primer and I said no more. Rifle is a Mk12 mod 1 clone with Douglas barrel from High Caliber Sales. Could it be the rifle possibly? It's been a little while since I've scrubbed the chamber. My cleaning schedule is run a boresnake through the bore and wipe down the bolt carrier and barrel extension. Damn. It must be right on that ragged edge to get the velocity spec. I wonder what powder they are using. Hope you get it all sorted out with them. |
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Posted: 12/26/2016 10:39:17 PM EDT
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For you reloaders saying that Fed brass is considered somewhat "soft", which I've heard before, does that include their LC brass?
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Posted: 12/27/2016 11:48:34 PM EDT
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For you reloaders saying that Fed brass is considered somewhat "soft", which I've heard before, does that include their LC brass? LC brass is Lake City, not Federal. Two different plants with different requirements. |
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Posted: 12/29/2016 12:46:37 AM EDT
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Federals "AR" primer http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2011/09/new-federal-gold-medal-match-primers-for-ars/ CCI Benchrest primers are also stamped similarly... with "BR" .... FWIW |
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Posted: 1/18/2017 5:20:39 AM EDT
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Damn. It must be right on that ragged edge to get the velocity spec. I wonder what powder they are using. Hope you get it all sorted out with them. |
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Posted: 1/22/2017 9:17:00 PM EDT
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Ok.... finally got to shoot some of this today..... I want to say... It was about 45 degrees today, I would NOT feel comfortable shooting this in even 60 degree weather.
Ejected cases look very similar to TheGunSlingers photos. But.... after taking my photos I couldn't tell if there was any primer blow by.... so I blew into all 20 cases, and 8 of the primers "popped" out !! Details on the rifle... Krieger 1n7.7, .223 Wylde chamber, 20" .... standard BCG w/ Tubbs CWS w/ the heaviest weight. ( probably why the primers didn't come loose in the action. ) 
Groups, 100yds, benched, scoped, bagged front and rear, FF 20" Krieger 1n7.7 ......... My control group, Creedmoor 77gr .223 20rds, ( yes I flubbed those 2 fliers... ) 
1rd was used to check for blown primers prior to shooting more... First 8rds FC262.... 
Next 11rds FC262 ..... 
Frankly, as stated earlier.... I would NOT like to shot this in hotter temps... those primers "blowing out is very clear signs of high pressure...., accuracy was decent ..... but at what cost ?! I did not chrono any... but may at a later date. |
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Posted: 1/22/2017 10:13:29 PM EDT
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Fuck dude, while I'm happy it's not an issue with my rifle, that sucks that your ammo appears effected as well
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Posted: 1/22/2017 10:20:33 PM EDT
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Fuck dude, while I'm happy it's not an issue with my rifle, that sucks that your ammo appears effected as well Right there with you... originally I was happy no primers were in my action.... But , having them "pop" into my hand when blowing with just my mouth PSI on the case neck..... craaaaaap.... |
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Posted: 1/22/2017 10:29:16 PM EDT
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Right there with you... originally I was happy no primers were in my action.... But , having them "pop" into my hand when blowing with just my mouth PSI on the case neck..... craaaaaap.... |
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Posted: 1/24/2017 11:22:15 PM EDT
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I picked up three boxes of this same ammo today at my local range, price tag was $22 per box. After firing six rounds with a chrono, my average velocity was 2694. I think my highest was 2704. Temp was 50 degrees, 28 % humidity and 15 -20 mph wind. I was shooting through my mid length 14.5" BCM barrel since I am still in build mode of my MK12. My accuracy wasn't the greatest, but I was able to zero my new scope and hit a 330, 450 and 550 meter steel targets with crazy wind. I would have tried for longer targets, but I ran out of ammo. I had approximately 5 or so of the sixty total that had blown primers. This surprised the shit outta me as I have never seen that happen in my two and a half decades of firing 5.56 ammo. I did notice that all my brass was landing at my 5 o'clock instead of the 2 or 3 position. That coupled with the blown primer discovery told me that these rounds produce a lot of pressure. Over gas can be fixed with heavier buffer (I run a spikes T2 in this rifle), but I can't fix blown primers. I kept my brass for reloading purposes but after reading this entire post, now I'm not so sure that is a great idea.
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Posted: 1/25/2017 1:04:01 AM EDT
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At $12.99 a box looks like I'll be stick with Gold Dots.
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Posted: 1/25/2017 11:17:52 AM EDT
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This reminds me of the recent issue with IMI ammo popping primers. This is what Sam from SGAmmo said about that:
Most military type loads offered in the commercial market are intentionally reduced slightly in pressure and velocity from actual mil-spec to allow correct function in the full diversity of commercial firearms sold in the USA. IMI made the mistake of loading all their ammo to their mil-spec contract specs / full pressure levels which is fine in most guns, but with the diversity of firearms in the US commercial market that do not conform to actual NATO standards there are bound to be problems in some guns when using full mil-spec pressure loads, a tight bore, a gas system that is clogged or of unusual configuration of barrel and gas tube length, chamber irregularities , or just the 'perfect storm' of tiny spec issues that together create a higher pressure level with true mil-spec ammo. These issues can cause pressure issues that result in the primer being expelled but it is really not the ammo to be blamed, it exposes an underlying issue within that gun that is being exposed by using full mil-spec pressure ammo. Since most brands reduce their commercial ammo it is not often duplicated with other brands, and the consumer logic is then that there is something wrong with the ammo since other ammo works fine, and just about no one ever wants to think their gun has an issue as they are cherished possessions, especially when they can justify otherwise by using other ammo successfully. Over all the number of clients that had issues with the primers being expelled with IMI ammo was about 1 client per every 1,000,000 rounds sold, so it is really something that has been exaggerated by exposure on forum discussion as being a bigger problem that it really is. I do know they are now slightly reducing pressure on new lots to dodge the bad press on this issue. |
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Posted: 1/27/2017 7:35:40 PM EDT
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I shot 80rds. FC262 with my MK12 Mod0 today no primer problems I had two lot# Head stamp 14 and 16 had some flyers not sure what head stamp they were I finished my day with 40rds. of IMI 77gr.OTM no primer problems all were in 1''
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Posted: 1/27/2017 8:05:27 PM EDT
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I shot 80rds. FC262 with my MK12 Mod0 today no primer problems I had two lot# Head stamp 14 and 16 had some flyers not sure what head stamp they were I finished my day with 40rds. of IMI 77gr.OTM no primer problems all were in 1'' Bayrunner..... do you have access to a depriming tool ? I am curious if the spent primers pop out easily. With My loose primer pockets, I can easily seat a fresh primer with my pinkie. |
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Posted: 1/27/2017 8:56:11 PM EDT
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No deprimer tool but I can try using a small punch and see if they push out easy.
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