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I found it to be slightly less accurate than FGMM 69gr. Groups tended to be .4" or so larger. POI was about an inch lower than FGMM at 106yds.
Apparently one arfcommer had absolutely amazing, almost handload size groups with it. Maybe I need to practice more... |
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NOOOO! Now everyone is going to buy it leaving less for meeeee!
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My favorite flavor! I really would like to see a gel test done too
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I found it to be slightly less accurate than FGMM 69gr. Groups tended to be .4" or so larger. POI was about an inch lower than FGMM at 106yds. Apparently one arfcommer had absolutely amazing, almost handload size groups with it. Maybe I need to practice more... View Quote Just relabel the 50 yard line with a sign that says 100. Cut your groups in half! Thanks for sharing your data Molon. |
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This is my favorite ammo right now.
I'm going to get to try some through a 26" 1/9 Remington 700P this week. Should be interesting. |
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I bought a bunch of this stuff when Cabellas had it on sale. It's usually 12$ a box, I believe I got it for less than 10. Pretty good for the money. I also have there 77 gr matchking and their 55 blitzkrieg.
I shoot it when I want decent ammo and am too busy(lazy) to reload. |
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Interesting data thanks again for sharing. I have a few different 69 grain loads that I hope to test when my telephone pole Krieger shows up.
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I found it to be slightly less accurate than FGMM 69gr. Groups tended to be .4" or so larger. POI was about an inch lower than FGMM at 106yds. Apparently one arfcommer had absolutely amazing, almost handload size groups with it. Maybe I need to practice more... Just relabel the 50 yard line with a sign that says 100. Cut your groups in half! Thanks for sharing your data Molon. What is really sad is the ammo looks pretty impressive on its own merit. 4 10 shot groups all with wiggle room for 1 moa. Too bad hopefully people follow the science not the superstition. |
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I have this stuff loaded in my HD mags.
It's always shot well for me. |
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Very nice Molon.
I have yet to shoot this specific load, but ADI makes some great ammo. Their 55gr BlitzKing load flies very well for me (I believe you posted a "teaser" group with it a while back that was sub-MOA). I think I'll order a case of the 69gr SMK load next time I order more of the BlitzKing ammo. Cheers, |
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since this lighter version of the SMK probably traveling faster, does it have better terminal effects compared to is big brother the 77gr?
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I bought a bunch of this stuff when Cabellas had it on sale. It's usually 12$ a box, I believe I got it for less than 10. Pretty good for the money. I also have there 77 gr matchking and their 55 blitzkrieg. I shoot it when I want decent ammo and am too busy(lazy) to reload. View Quote When did they produce 77gr, because I've been shooting their ammo regularly for the last 2-3 years and they haven't listed 77gr on their website during that timeframe? |
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since this lighter version of the SMK probably traveling faster, does it have better terminal effects compared to is big brother the 77gr? View Quote There are three problems with the MatchKings with respect to terminal ballistic properties when compared to better performing OTM (type) fragmenting projectiles. 1. a longer ballistic neck 2. a more variable ballistic neck 3. a lower percentage of fragmentation If you choose to use a fragmenting OTM (type) fragmenting projectile for a self-defense load, four superior choices would be (in no particular order): 1. Barnes 85 grain OTM 2. Sierra 77 grain Tipped MatchKing 3. Nosler 77 grain Custom Competition 4. Hornady 75 grain T2 .... |
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Hmm, so the 77 SMK with the cannelure, the same bullet that BH uses, is off the short list
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Hmm, so the 77 SMK with the cannelure, the same bullet that BH uses, is off the short list Note how long the ballistic neck is . . . Now notice how short the ballistic neck is on the Barnes 85 grain OTM . . . .... roger that. velocity not the key. right? |
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IIRC the lighter 68/69 OTM doesn't do as well as the 75/77 due to simply not having as much mass available to fragment.
Also the longer a bullet the more likely it is to begin it's yaw earlier in the tissue. There will always be something "better"..I personally don't mind having SMK in my magazines. If memory serves the heavier OTM actually have a lower fragmentation threshold than the 69gr, I'm guessing due to the bullets length causing early yawing despite lower velocity. |
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Quoted: Just relabel the 50 yard line with a sign that says 100. Cut your groups in half! Thanks for sharing your data Molon. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I found it to be slightly less accurate than FGMM 69gr. Groups tended to be .4" or so larger. POI was about an inch lower than FGMM at 106yds. Apparently one arfcommer had absolutely amazing, almost handload size groups with it. Maybe I need to practice more... Just relabel the 50 yard line with a sign that says 100. Cut your groups in half! Thanks for sharing your data Molon. this appears to be the case in question! Molon can't thank you enough!
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Another impressive write up from Molon
Aside from the ballistics aspects of his reviews, I'm always VERY impressed with how well trained his dog is. In all the wind probe photos on his write-ups he's managed to have his dog stop in exactly the same spot & in the same pose every time!! |
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Another impressive write up from Molon Aside from the ballistics aspects of his reviews, I'm always VERY impressed with how well trained his dog is. In all the wind probe photos on his write-ups he's managed to have his dog stop in exactly the same spot & in the same pose every time!! View Quote Accuracy is nothing without consistency. |
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Quoted: Note how long the ballistic neck is . . . https://app.box.com/shared/static/s4wyp759iov0arbpp1rsbos2wf75mqbh.jpg Now notice how short the ballistic neck is on the Barnes 85 grain OTM . . . https://app.box.com/shared/static/6d50nxg3sjvkwxc2byg9yikehc3w9jqz.jpg .... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Hmm, so the 77 SMK with the cannelure, the same bullet that BH uses, is off the short list Note how long the ballistic neck is . . . https://app.box.com/shared/static/s4wyp759iov0arbpp1rsbos2wf75mqbh.jpg Now notice how short the ballistic neck is on the Barnes 85 grain OTM . . . https://app.box.com/shared/static/6d50nxg3sjvkwxc2byg9yikehc3w9jqz.jpg .... the 77gr OTM can have a very short neck too. it all depends on the AoA of the bullet when it hits. Mk262 is still yaw dependent like M193/M855, just not not as much. iirc, the ideal neck is under 4" |
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the 77gr OTM can have a very short neck too. it all depends on the AoA of the bullet when it hits. Mk262 is still yaw dependent like M193/M855, just not not as much. iirc, the ideal neck is under - 4"- . . . 2", with a penetration of 12" to 18". View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
the 77gr OTM can have a very short neck too. it all depends on the AoA of the bullet when it hits. Mk262 is still yaw dependent like M193/M855, just not not as much. iirc, the ideal neck is under - 4"- . . . 2", with a penetration of 12" to 18". Quoted:
There are three problems with the MatchKings with respect to terminal ballistic properties when compared to better performing OTM (type) fragmenting projectiles. 1. a longer ballistic neck 2. a more variable ballistic neck 3. a lower percentage of fragmentation ... |
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too bad those TMK's are so hard to get. maybe some day they'll be as easy and ubiquitous as the SMK.
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true. The TMKs seem to have corrected this https://s17-us2.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http:%2F%2Fwww.black-hills.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2F5-56-77-gr-Tipped-Matchking-14-5-in-barrel-10-17-2013-a.jpg&sp=47e43d1ff717470ab04148ab9757781b View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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the 77gr OTM can have a very short neck too. it all depends on the AoA of the bullet when it hits. Mk262 is still yaw dependent like M193/M855, just not not as much. iirc, the ideal neck is under - 4"- . . . 2", with a penetration of 12" to 18". Quoted:
There are three problems with the MatchKings with respect to terminal ballistic properties when compared to better performing OTM (type) fragmenting projectiles. 1. a longer ballistic neck 2. a more variable ballistic neck 3. a lower percentage of fragmentation ... true. The TMKs seem to have corrected this https://s17-us2.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http:%2F%2Fwww.black-hills.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2F5-56-77-gr-Tipped-Matchking-14-5-in-barrel-10-17-2013-a.jpg&sp=47e43d1ff717470ab04148ab9757781b |
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Yeah - it's like they forget that the M in SMK is there for a reason!
NOT allowed to do much about HD here, but I'd be all over Barnes TSX & TTSX type monolithic bullets if HD was an issue....or Sierra SP.... The TMK do look like a nice option that covers several bases....Sierra just need to make more of them, LOTS more...and faster. Quoted:
too bad those TMK's are so hard to get. maybe some day they'll be as easy and ubiquitous as the SMK. interesting that some people still hold fast to SMK's being the end all for a SD rounds when so many others are better. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
too bad those TMK's are so hard to get. maybe some day they'll be as easy and ubiquitous as the SMK. interesting that some people still hold fast to SMK's being the end all for a SD rounds when so many others are better. Quoted:
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the 77gr OTM can have a very short neck too. it all depends on the AoA of the bullet when it hits. Mk262 is still yaw dependent like M193/M855, just not not as much. iirc, the ideal neck is under - 4"- . . . 2", with a penetration of 12" to 18". Quoted:
There are three problems with the MatchKings with respect to terminal ballistic properties when compared to better performing OTM (type) fragmenting projectiles. 1. a longer ballistic neck 2. a more variable ballistic neck 3. a lower percentage of fragmentation ... true. The TMKs seem to have corrected this https://s17-us2.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http:%2F%2Fwww.black-hills.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2F5-56-77-gr-Tipped-Matchking-14-5-in-barrel-10-17-2013-a.jpg&sp=47e43d1ff717470ab04148ab9757781b |
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Interesting review, thanks Molon.
For a budget priced ammo, about $13 per box, this ammo appears pretty consistent, and more precise any other ammo I can think of at this price point (when shot out of this particular test rifle). FGMM 69gr is currently at about $20 per box. Many high end precision ARs will shoot it at about 0.5MOA (and of course some rifles may not like it). It's an ammo worth shooting a few boxes for groups to see how your rifle likes it. I would prefer it be made in USA, but that's a different issue. |
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Great review I appreciate your work.
Probably way better than most were thinking it would be....Yep now it's getting all bought up. |
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the 77gr OTM can have a very short neck too. it all depends on the AoA of the bullet when it hits. Mk262 is still yaw dependent like M193/M855, just not not as much. iirc, the ideal neck is under - 4"- . . . 2", with a penetration of 12" to 18". Quoted:
There are three problems with the MatchKings with respect to terminal ballistic properties when compared to better performing OTM (type) fragmenting projectiles. 1. a longer ballistic neck 2. a more variable ballistic neck 3. a lower percentage of fragmentation ... true. The TMKs seem to have corrected this https://s17-us2.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http:%2F%2Fwww.black-hills.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2F5-56-77-gr-Tipped-Matchking-14-5-in-barrel-10-17-2013-a.jpg&sp=47e43d1ff717470ab04148ab9757781b Indeed. .. |
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I picked some of these up on sale from Cabelas for $13. Going to chrono them tomorrow.
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View Quote 2695 FPS from your 20" barrel. That put's it close to the velocity of Federal 69 grain GMM. Thanks for sharing your data! ... |
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the 77gr OTM can have a very short neck too. it all depends on the AoA of the bullet when it hits. Mk262 is still yaw dependent like M193/M855, just not not as much. iirc, the ideal neck is under - 4"- . . . 2", with a penetration of 12" to 18". Quoted:
There are three problems with the MatchKings with respect to terminal ballistic properties when compared to better performing OTM (type) fragmenting projectiles. 1. a longer ballistic neck 2. a more variable ballistic neck 3. a lower percentage of fragmentation ... true. The TMKs seem to have corrected this https://s17-us2.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http:%2F%2Fwww.black-hills.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2F5-56-77-gr-Tipped-Matchking-14-5-in-barrel-10-17-2013-a.jpg&sp=47e43d1ff717470ab04148ab9757781b Indeed. .. And this is why I "settled" for TMK as my primary SD ammo. |
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