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Posted: 6/20/2016 1:41:07 PM EDT
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Please delete if not allowed. If you do not want to see medical X-rays with a patient with suspected unexploded ordinance ordnance, DO NOT LOOK! Was contacted by Walter Reed Medical by a Radiologist about using some of my pics of sectioned cartridges in a medical report. They over laid a picture of a sectioned 7.62x39 on top of an X-ray for a positive identification. It will be FREE for 4 weeks on PDF, these are the 2 web sites. They found me through AR15.COM !!!!!!! Best site Ever! Thanks for looking, Wolfgang http://www.springer.com/home?SGWID=0-0-1003-0-0&aqId=3067415&download=1&checkval=fa5114e929b8d74631b30370ea2a7c5c http://www.springer.com/-/0/AVVbTiJgpYBn3CnhcIYe FIFY |
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Posted: 6/20/2016 3:24:49 PM EDT
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Maybe I'm just ignorant, but exactly what is "unexploded"?
(in those photos) |
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Posted: 6/20/2016 7:47:24 PM EDT
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EXCELLENT !!!
Glad to see some real-world use come from our odd hobby of cutting cartridges in half... 1DD |
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Posted: 6/20/2016 9:44:31 PM EDT
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I'll take "informal archive" as a label. Excellent stuff.
I like the article's author's take on "this doesn't look like the crap we usually find, so what if it's not what we usually find?" Doctors are really good at making odd patterns fit together. When a pattern doesn't fit, like maybe these weren't the usual bullets, but maybe something new, a good doctor digs in to find out what's going on. And a military physician isn't going to be all squeamish about looking for a reference to compare what he sees in the ER to, either. Bravo, Wolfgang! |
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Posted: 6/21/2016 12:44:51 AM EDT
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Maybe I'm just ignorant, but exactly what is "unexploded"? (in those photos) This. I'm unaware of any 7.62x39 explosive projectile. But that may well be ignorance on my part. |
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Posted: 6/21/2016 9:06:12 AM EDT
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What blows my mind it the fact that this paper got all the way to being published without being questioned.
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Posted: 6/21/2016 9:42:56 AM EDT
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That's quite an accomplishment. Bravo wolf
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Posted: 6/21/2016 10:27:13 AM EDT
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Very Cool.
Skimmed it for now, have it for later perusal. |
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Posted: 6/21/2016 11:42:43 AM EDT
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There are explosive bullets out there, we know they are rare, doctors don't, but they are apparently concerned about them.
So there is some learning to be done on their part, the paper was part of that learning, relying upon Mr. Gross's work and this unofficial repository. Very interesting. Commendable that Mr. Gross's work was suitable for research. |
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Posted: 6/21/2016 3:41:49 PM EDT
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Maybe I'm just ignorant, but exactly what is "unexploded"? (in those photos) Nothing, the point was at the very end of the paper, which is that while medical manuals recommend watching out for UXO in patients, they provide no guidance on what they actually look like. |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 12:28:38 AM EDT
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Nothing, the point was at the very end of the paper, which is that while medical manuals recommend watching out for UXO in patients, they provide no guidance on what they actually look like. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe I'm just ignorant, but exactly what is "unexploded"? (in those photos) Nothing, the point was at the very end of the paper, which is that while medical manuals recommend watching out for UXO in patients, they provide no guidance on what they actually look like. Understood. Yes, that would be a nasty surprise. And I second the congratulations on having your good work cited as a reference. |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 10:57:44 PM EDT
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Please delete if not allowed. If you do not want to see medical X-rays with a patient with suspected unexploded ordinance ordnance, DO NOT LOOK! Was contacted by Walter Reed Medical by a Radiologist about using some of my pics of sectioned cartridges in a medical report. They over laid a picture of a sectioned 7.62x39 on top of an X-ray for a positive identification. It will be FREE for 4 weeks on PDF, these are the 2 web sites. They found me through AR15.COM !!!!!!! Best site Ever! Thanks for looking, Wolfgang http://www.springer.com/home?SGWID=0-0-1003-0-0&aqId=3067415&download=1&checkval=fa5114e929b8d74631b30370ea2a7c5c http://www.springer.com/-/0/AVVbTiJgpYBn3CnhcIYe FIFY Yet it's misspelled in the title and throughout the article. |
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Posted: 6/23/2016 5:16:26 AM EDT
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Very nice ! Some one knew where to look for Wolfgangross's info.
Interesting to me that a "military medical treatment facility" wouldn't all ready know this, or have that info at their disposal. |
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Posted: 6/25/2016 2:41:37 PM EDT
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Very nice ! Some one knew where to look for Wolfgangross's info. Interesting to me that a "military medical treatment facility" wouldn't all ready know this, or have that info at their disposal. Military docs aren't really ordnance-oriented, let alone "this is what this type of projectile does in tissue" oriented. On the other hand, in the paper they do point out that "that didn't look like what we've seen before," which says to me they're being typical physicians, going with familiar patterns most of the time, and then noticing something out of the ordinary when it didn't look right. You don't need to know what the car that ran over a leg looked like to know what a run over leg looks like, but if that leg looks "different," then you start wondering what the heck ran over it... |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 1:10:07 AM EDT
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That looks like it hurt.
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