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Posted: 3/27/2015 7:24:59 PM EDT
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It doesn't have any lead and has a zinc mixture in the jacket. The primer is berdan. Great ammo with great penetration, but not sure it actually meets nato spec for m855
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Posted: 3/27/2015 7:28:44 PM EDT
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You can run 223 or 5.56 in any weapon that has a chamber that is 5.56 spec. If you chamber is only speced at 223, you can only run 223.
223 is not NATO spec. I believe because its and advertisement, it may be that the company lists all 223 and 5.56 under the same heading. As far as I am aware, the Carl Gustaf ammo is 5.56 and is sealed. |
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Posted: 3/27/2015 7:32:15 PM EDT
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NavyIS2 - thx for the info.
Would you run it as range ammo in a 5.56 spec AR? |
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Posted: 3/27/2015 7:35:35 PM EDT
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There's a pretty long thread about it. It's M855ish, but not M855. It has a steel core, as opposed to a lead core with a steel tip.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_16/649168_Carl_Gustaf_NATO_5_56X45__223_62grn.html |
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Posted: 3/27/2015 7:35:48 PM EDT
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NavyIS2 - thx for the info. Would you run it as range ammo in a 5.56 spec AR? Not indoors. You'll wind up with zinc fever. Not a good thing. Outdoors, or for store away for an emergency, yes, I have a few cans for that very purpose. I use it for courses too, because i know i won't be able to recover my brass and you can't reload berdan. |
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Posted: 3/27/2015 7:43:55 PM EDT
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Thx to all for the responses. I did find a 12 page thread on this ammo from 2014 - good stuff.
Appreciate the tip about not indoors. My intention is to use it at an outdoor range and for courses (agreed ref: can't collect brass). Thx gents! |
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Posted: 3/27/2015 10:08:22 PM EDT
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There's a pretty long thread about it. It's M855ish, but not M855. It has a steel core, as opposed to a lead core with a steel tip. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_16/649168_Carl_Gustaf_NATO_5_56X45__223_62grn.html Read the whole thread OP. It does not sound good. |
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Posted: 3/28/2015 12:00:52 AM EDT
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Read the whole thread OP. It does not sound good. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There's a pretty long thread about it. It's M855ish, but not M855. It has a steel core, as opposed to a lead core with a steel tip. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_16/649168_Carl_Gustaf_NATO_5_56X45__223_62grn.html Read the whole thread OP. It does not sound good. I was under the impression that Carl Gustav was some of the best M855/SS109 out there besides South African and Portuguese stuff. |
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Posted: 3/28/2015 12:12:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was under the impression that Carl Gustav was some of the best M855/SS109 out there besides South African and Portuguese stuff. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: There's a pretty long thread about it. It's M855ish, but not M855. It has a steel core, as opposed to a lead core with a steel tip. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_16/649168_Carl_Gustaf_NATO_5_56X45__223_62grn.html Read the whole thread OP. It does not sound good. I was under the impression that Carl Gustav was some of the best M855/SS109 out there besides South African and Portuguese stuff. |
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Posted: 3/28/2015 12:28:57 AM EDT
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Some people have pressure issues. I'm surprised the ATF allowed it to be imported as it has a true steel core and hardened steel penetrator. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There's a pretty long thread about it. It's M855ish, but not M855. It has a steel core, as opposed to a lead core with a steel tip. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_16/649168_Carl_Gustaf_NATO_5_56X45__223_62grn.html Read the whole thread OP. It does not sound good. I was under the impression that Carl Gustav was some of the best M855/SS109 out there besides South African and Portuguese stuff. Thanks for the heads up on the pressure issues. I might snag a case just in case the ATF starts up their shit again. $.36/rd seems like not too bad of a deal. |
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Posted: 3/28/2015 1:22:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was under the impression that Carl Gustav was some of the best M855/SS109 out there besides South African and Portuguese stuff. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: There's a pretty long thread about it. It's M855ish, but not M855. It has a steel core, as opposed to a lead core with a steel tip. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_16/649168_Carl_Gustaf_NATO_5_56X45__223_62grn.html Read the whole thread OP. It does not sound good. I was under the impression that Carl Gustav was some of the best M855/SS109 out there besides South African and Portuguese stuff. it is not an M855/SS109 type round. the only thing it has in common with those is being 62gr |
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Posted: 3/28/2015 4:30:55 PM EDT
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I would love for someone to conduct and post some gel and penetration tests with this stuff!
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Posted: 3/28/2015 9:47:20 PM EDT
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Stuff is hot as shit. I don't have my chrono data, but the few rounds I did run were pushing M193 velocities. Also had a few pierced primers. Definitely not .223 pressure.
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Posted: 3/28/2015 9:54:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Stuff is hot as shit. I don't have my chrono data, but the few rounds I did run were pushing M193 velocities. Also had a few pierced primers. Definitely not .223 pressure. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 1:05:58 AM EDT
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Not indoors. You'll wind up with zinc fever. Not a good thing. Outdoors, or for store away for an emergency, yes, I have a few cans for that very purpose. I use it for courses too, because i know i won't be able to recover my brass and you can't reload berdan. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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NavyIS2 - thx for the info. Would you run it as range ammo in a 5.56 spec AR? Not indoors. You'll wind up with zinc fever. Not a good thing. Outdoors, or for store away for an emergency, yes, I have a few cans for that very purpose. I use it for courses too, because i know i won't be able to recover my brass and you can't reload berdan. The lead free primers are an issue since they have a shelf life of less than 10 years. The big surprise is that several years down the road your SHTF stash won't go bang and that ZQ1 5.56 ammo at 10 bucks per 30 at Walmart ten year past is starting to look like the "should have, could have .... would have" moment. Get your lead styphnate primered ammo now. Buy it cheap and stack it deep because these are the good old days. The new green lead free primered ammo will be the mandated gun control proxy of the future. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 1:52:09 AM EDT
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The lead free primers are an issue since they have a shelf life of less than 10 years. The big surprise is that several years down the road your SHTF stash won't go bang and that ZQ1 5.56 ammo at 10 bucks per 30 at Walmart ten year past is starting to look like the "should have, could have .... would have" moment. Get your lead styphnate primered ammo now. Buy it cheap and stack it deep because these are the good old days. The new green lead free primered ammo will be the mandated gun control proxy of the future. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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NavyIS2 - thx for the info. Would you run it as range ammo in a 5.56 spec AR? Not indoors. You'll wind up with zinc fever. Not a good thing. Outdoors, or for store away for an emergency, yes, I have a few cans for that very purpose. I use it for courses too, because i know i won't be able to recover my brass and you can't reload berdan. The lead free primers are an issue since they have a shelf life of less than 10 years. The big surprise is that several years down the road your SHTF stash won't go bang and that ZQ1 5.56 ammo at 10 bucks per 30 at Walmart ten year past is starting to look like the "should have, could have .... would have" moment. Get your lead styphnate primered ammo now. Buy it cheap and stack it deep because these are the good old days. The new green lead free primered ammo will be the mandated gun control proxy of the future. That ten year shelf life is a pure fabrication FYI. |
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Posted: 3/31/2015 8:36:26 PM EDT
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It doesn't have any lead and has a zinc mixture in the jacket. The primer is berdan. Great ammo with great penetration, but not sure it actually meets nato spec for m855 Berdan primed ammo is acceptable to meet NATO specifications. All the spec requires is velocity, pressure (both chamber and gas port), and bullet weight and type/dimensions. |
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Posted: 3/31/2015 8:53:23 PM EDT
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Berdan primed ammo is acceptable to meet NATO specifications. All the spec requires is velocity, pressure (both chamber and gas port), and bullet weight and type/dimensions. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It doesn't have any lead and has a zinc mixture in the jacket. The primer is berdan. Great ammo with great penetration, but not sure it actually meets nato spec for m855 Berdan primed ammo is acceptable to meet NATO specifications. All the spec requires is velocity, pressure (both chamber and gas port), and bullet weight and type/dimensions. And materials. Hence why I mention the lack of lead. |
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