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Posted: 1/10/2015 12:05:52 AM EDT
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Just as a point of reference, many match shooters use the PPU 75 as an inexpensive alternative and have excellent results.
I have used tons of it for teaching and would say it gives up very few points to Black Hills especially when the price is considered. We are generally using 1:7 20" bbls, maybe that is the issue? |
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Posted: 1/15/2015 7:10:55 PM EDT
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Just as a point of reference, many match shooters use the PPU 75 as an inexpensive alternative and have excellent results. I have used tons of it for teaching and would say it gives up very few points to Black Hills especially when the price is considered. We are generally using 1:7 20" bbls, maybe that is the issue? I hear you... as we all know.. all barrels are different. I will add that I did not fire any PPU 75gr past 100yds... it may be that they had not settled down. |
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Posted: 1/15/2015 7:39:50 PM EDT
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I hear you... as we all know.. all barrels are different. I will add that I did not fire any PPU 75gr past 100yds... it may be that they had not settled down. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just as a point of reference, many match shooters use the PPU 75 as an inexpensive alternative and have excellent results. I have used tons of it for teaching and would say it gives up very few points to Black Hills especially when the price is considered. We are generally using 1:7 20" bbls, maybe that is the issue? I hear you... as we all know.. all barrels are different. I will add that I did not fire any PPU 75gr past 100yds... it may be that they had not settled down. Interesting what was the date of manufacture and lot #? It should be on a strip of paper included on each box. |
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Posted: 1/15/2015 8:17:36 PM EDT
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Just as a point of reference, many match shooters use the PPU 75 as an inexpensive alternative and have excellent results. I have used tons of it for teaching and would say it gives up very few points to Black Hills especially when the price is considered. We are generally using 1:7 20" bbls, maybe that is the issue? I hear you... as we all know.. all barrels are different. I will add that I did not fire any PPU 75gr past 100yds... it may be that they had not settled down. Interesting what was the date of manufacture and lot #? It should be on a strip of paper included on each box. No date of manufacture... 2 lot #'s ( same results.. ) Stamped on the inside of one end flap... 1402 64 ( no dash ), and 1402-09. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 8:06:25 PM EDT
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No date of manufacture... 2 lot #'s ( same results.. ) Stamped on the inside of one end flap... 1402 64 ( no dash ), and 1402-09. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just as a point of reference, many match shooters use the PPU 75 as an inexpensive alternative and have excellent results. I have used tons of it for teaching and would say it gives up very few points to Black Hills especially when the price is considered. We are generally using 1:7 20" bbls, maybe that is the issue? I hear you... as we all know.. all barrels are different. I will add that I did not fire any PPU 75gr past 100yds... it may be that they had not settled down. Interesting what was the date of manufacture and lot #? It should be on a strip of paper included on each box. No date of manufacture... 2 lot #'s ( same results.. ) Stamped on the inside of one end flap... 1402 64 ( no dash ), and 1402-09. I believe it that is the date: year and month followed by the inspector #. I ask because your chrono results match the old "slow" version of this ammo. 
vs "PPU 75gr .223.............................PPU 223 REM......................Av. 2461, ES 69...................Av. 2590, ES 109............Dismal accuracy... as a matter of fact 4MOA at 100yds." |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:54:09 PM EDT
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It is the current packaging...
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Posted: 3/11/2015 9:21:39 PM EDT
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Just about to start round 2...so if anyone has a requested ammo, let me know and I will try to get some.
Round 2 ammo..... 03/ 21/15 Brand and headstamp on brass....................................................16 " Velocities ( FPS )........20" Velocities ( FPS ).........Comments......,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, NC means NATO CROSS 35gr NTX Hornady Superformance .223.......................................A v. 3585 , ES 19...............Av.3622, ES 39............ 55gr Lapua .223 FMJ ...............LAPUA MATCH 223 Rem............Av. 2739 , ES 60...............Av. 2901 , ES 44............... I had hoped for better accuracy.... 55gr Wolf Gold FMJ .................223 REM WOLF...........................Av. 2951 , ES 105.............Av. 3102 , ES 50............... 55gr Perfecta .223 FMJ ............PERFECTA .223 REM.................Av. 2862 , ES 44................Av. 3007 , ES 95............... 55gr Aguila .223 FMJ...............AGUILA 223 REM........................Av. 2795 , ES 64................Av. 2941 , ES 173............... 55gr Armscorp .223 FMJ..........A USA 223 REM..........................Av. 2966 , ES 195..............Av. 3054 , ES 77............... 55gr Fiocchi .223 PSP ............G.F.L. 223 REM...........................Av. 2757 , ES 32.................Av. 2781 , ES 58............... 62gr MKE ZQ1 5.56 FMJST .....MKE 14........................................Av. 2919 , ES 53...............Av. 3082 , ES 92................ 62gr ADI 5.56 FMJST ...............ADI 12.........................................Av. 2940 , ES 65................Av. 3112 , ES 43............... 64gr Tracer Fed. AE 5.56................Couldn't fire at the local range. 64gr Beck Ammo. 5.56 BSB ........................................................Av. 2861, ES 38........................Av. 2943, ES 58....... 68gr Black Hills .223 OTM ........F C 223 REM..............................Av. 2567 , ES 50................Av. 2656 , ES 72............... 68gr AYSM .223 OTM ..................................................................Av. 2723 , ES 23................Av. 2838 , ES 25............... 69gr Eagle Eye .223 SMK ........EAGLE EYE 223 REM...............Av, 2784 , ES 72.................Av. 2839 , ES 49............... 69gr Fiocchi .223 SMK .............G.F.L. 223 REM.........................Av. 2757 , ES 32.................Av. 2801 , ES 58............... 69gr Black Hills .223 SMK ........F C 223 REM..............................Av. 2467 , ES 41................Av. 2522 , ES 92............... 69gr Aus. Outback .223 SMK.....223 REM ADI.............................Av. 2553 , ES 84.................Av. 2695 , ES 81............... 75gr Black Hills .223 OTM .........F C 223 REM............................Av. 2419 , ES 84.................Av. 2579 , ES 45.............. 75gr HSM 5.56 Tactical OTM ....LC 06 ( NATO Cross )...............Av. 2795 , ES 49...............Av. 2863 , ES 37................ 77gr Beck Ammo. 5.56 SMK ...............................................Av. 2469, ES 34.....................Av. 2734, ES 8........... 77gr Black Hills 5.56 TMK .........WCC 14 ( NATO Cross )...........Av. 2636 , ES 54................Av. 2753 , ES 63..............Outstanding Accuracy. 77gr Black Hills 5.56 OTM .........LC 14 ( NATO Cross )...............Av. 2592 , ES 21................Av. 2675 , ES 82..............Very accurate 77gr PMC XTAC .223 SMK .......PMC 223 REM..........................Av. 2350 , ES 62................Av. 2427 , ES 31............... 77gr Winc. Match 5.56 _ _ _ .... WCC 14 5.56 MM......................Av. 2364 , ES 47................Av. 2468 , ES 54..............For a 5.56 round, this is very low velocity. 77gr Rem. .223 SMK .................R-P 223 REM...........................Av. 2468 , ES 73.................Av. 2563 , ES 39............. 77gr FGMM .223 SMK FGMM .223..............F C 223 REM.............................Av. 2340 , ES 25................Av. 2411 , ES 33.............. 77gr Fiocchi .223 SMK ..............G.F.L. 223 REM........................Av. 2390 , ES 96................Av. 2488 , ES 53............. 77gr CBC 5.56 PR 844 SMK ......5.56 CBC 12............................Av. 2620 , ES 36.................Av. 2729 , ES 34...........These last two are labeled with different powders. 77gr CBC 5.56 WC732 SMK ......5.56 CBC 14............................Av. 2640 , ES 52................Av. 2712 , ES 50............ 85gr Barnes OTM.5.56...............BBR 5.56 13............................Av. 2482, ES 32......................Av. 2565, ES 48 |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 9:46:49 PM EDT
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i'd like to see ADI F1 62gr (SS109 type load) and CBC 62gr
have you noticed an accuracy difference between foreign and US made M855/SS109 loads? it seems to me that the ADI, IMI, Danish, Hirtenberger SS109 rounds have always grouped better than the M855 rounds i've shot |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 10:34:59 PM EDT
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Double Tapped
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Posted: 3/11/2015 10:41:41 PM EDT
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i'd like to see ADI F1 62gr (SS109 type load) and CBC 62gr have you noticed an accuracy difference between foreign and US made M855/SS109 loads? it seems to me that the ADI, IMI, Danish, Hirtenberger SS109 rounds have always grouped better than the M855 rounds i've shot I've got the ADI. I will seek out some CBC 62gr.... wish me luck since it probably was all bought during the M855 run of '15. 
And as for the M193 / M855 accuracy question... Yes, I have noticed an accuracy improvement in my rifles ( YMMV ) with "True" NATO type surplus M855 as opposed to our XM855, not a dramatic difference, but enough to notice...... but not with PPU, MKE, Hotshot,...etc |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 11:01:34 PM EDT
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if you cant find any CBC 62gr, thats probably my fault. its my normal practice ammo and when The Scare hit last month, i bought all i could find before prices went up or it disappeared. it did end up going out of stock from the places i buy from even though its just regular ball ammo and not a M855/SS109 round
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Posted: 3/12/2015 8:01:54 AM EDT
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Fiocchi 55 grain psp.
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Posted: 3/12/2015 11:21:29 AM EDT
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I'd like to see loads using the Hornady 68gr.
Hornady sells one, and I think Black Hills and Ultramax do also, but all are popular and go fast. |
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Posted: 3/12/2015 9:18:11 PM EDT
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Fiocchi 55 grain psp. Ordered. |
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Posted: 3/12/2015 9:18:36 PM EDT
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I'd like to see loads using the Hornady 68gr. Hornady sells one, and I think Black Hills and Ultramax do also, but all are popular and go fast. BH and ASYM on its way. |
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Posted: 3/12/2015 11:17:59 PM EDT
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Fiocchi 55 grain psp. Ordered. Wow, that's very generous of you. I really appreciate that. The gel test results of fiocchi psp are some of the most impressive I have ever seen from any 5.56 or .223 bullet type. Even at lower velocities, the wound channel is almost identical to full power gel hits. I'd love to see how well it penetrates barriers. |
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Posted: 3/13/2015 9:17:11 AM EDT
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Glad to help. We "Gunny" people need to stick together, and the more info available to us the better.
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Posted: 3/13/2015 9:26:00 AM EDT
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Double tap
Damn phone! 
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Posted: 3/13/2015 9:31:30 AM EDT
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The dismal performance of the PPU 75 grain match is disappointing. I bought some of that a couple of years ago after reading the review here by DocGkr. :( I have a Sig M 400 1/7 16" that likes it, under 2" moa at 100yds with a stock trigger, 1x4 Xtac and myself behind it and I'm admittedly very inexperienced. Have since upgraded to a Wilson Combat TTU, just need some cooperation from Mother Nature to see how much difference the new trigger makes. Sucks it didn't do well for you since it is about the cheapest heavy round on the market. I'm going to get some of the CBC 77gr and see how I do with it. |
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Posted: 3/13/2015 9:52:38 AM EDT
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77gr SMK PMC XTAC .223
Never seen this, where( if you don't want to give up your source that's cool, I understand) might one aquire some? The PMC 62gr Xtac is the 2nd most accurate M855 round I have tried in my rifle. As usual the IMI M855 is the best. Oh and thank you for ALL the info, it is much appreciated! If you're ever in Indiana I would like to buy you a beverage or two of your choice. |
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Posted: 3/13/2015 1:48:39 PM EDT
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77gr SMK PMC XTAC .223 Never seen this, where( if you don't want to give up your source that's cool, I understand) might one aquire some? The PMC 62gr Xtac is the 2nd most accurate M855 round I have tried in my rifle. As usual the IMI M855 is the best. Oh and thank you for ALL the info, it is much appreciated! If you're ever in Indiana I would like to buy you a beverage or two of your choice. Everyone is very welcome ! PMC XTAC 77 gr.... is here.. http://www.targetsportsusa.com/pmc-x-tac-match-223-remington-ammo-77-gr-otm-223xm-p-3990.aspx Target Sports USA gets all sorts of oddball stuff..... order GECO 7.62x39 ( reloadable brass ) from them as well... I hope it is even close as accurate as their .223. |
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Posted: 3/13/2015 9:45:27 PM EDT
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35gr NTX Hornady Superformance .223 Be prepared for your eyes to pop out of your head when you see the velocity numbers for that load on your chronograph.
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Posted: 3/14/2015 12:54:26 PM EDT
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Be prepared for your eyes to pop out of your head when you see the velocity numbers for that load on your chronograph.
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35gr NTX Hornady Superformance .223 Be prepared for your eyes to pop out of your head when you see the velocity numbers for that load on your chronograph.
Thanks for the heads up ! |
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Posted: 3/23/2015 9:36:09 PM EDT
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Round 2 ammo.....Summary Fired ; 03/ 21/15 ..... I have updated the lists on pages 1 and 2 to include this data.
Brand and headstamp on brass....................................................16 " Velocities ( FPS )........20" Velocities ( FPS ).........Comments......,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, NC means NATO CROSS 35gr NTX Hornady Superformance .223........................................ .Av. 3585 , ES 19...............Av.3622, ES 39............ 55gr Lapua .223 FMJ ...............LAPUA MATCH 223 Rem............Av. 2739 , ES 60...............Av. 2901 , ES 44............... I had hoped for better accuracy.... 55gr Wolf Gold FMJ .................223 REM WOLF...........................Av. 2951 , ES 105.............Av. 3102 , ES 50............... 55gr Perfecta .223 FMJ ............PERFECTA .223 REM.................Av. 2862 , ES 44................Av. 3007 , ES 95............... 55gr Aguila .223 FMJ...............AGUILA 223 REM........................Av. 2795 , ES 64................Av. 2941 , ES 173............... 55gr Armscorp .223 FMJ..........A USA 223 REM..........................Av. 2966 , ES 195..............Av. 3054 , ES 77............... 55gr Fiocchi .223 PSP ............G.F.L. 223 REM...........................Av. 2757 , ES 32.................Av. 2781 , ES 58............... 62gr MKE ZQ1 5.56 FMJST .....MKE 14........................................Av. 2919 , ES 53...............Av. 3082 , ES 92................ 62gr ADI 5.56 FMJST ...............ADI 12.........................................Av. 2940 , ES 65................Av. 3112 , ES 43............... 64gr Tracer Fed. AE 5.56................Couldn't fire at the local range. 64gr Beck Ammo. 5.56 BSB .........................................................Av. 2861, ES 38........................Av. 2943, ES 58....... 68gr Black Hills .223 OTM ........F C 223 REM..............................Av. 2567 , ES 50................Av. 2656 , ES 72............... 68gr AYSM .223 OTM ..................................................................Av. 2723 , ES 23................Av. 2838 , ES 25............... 69gr Eagle Eye .223 SMK ........EAGLE EYE 223 REM...............Av, 2784 , ES 72.................Av. 2839 , ES 49............... 69gr Fiocchi .223 SMK .............G.F.L. 223 REM.........................Av. 2757 , ES 32.................Av. 2801 , ES 58............... 69gr Black Hills .223 SMK ........F C 223 REM..............................Av. 2467 , ES 41................Av. 2522 , ES 92............... 69gr Aus. Outback .223 SMK.....223 REM ADI.............................Av. 2553 , ES 84.................Av. 2695 , ES 81............... 75gr Black Hills .223 OTM .........F C 223 REM............................Av. 2419 , ES 84.................Av. 2579 , ES 45.............. 75gr HSM 5.56 Tactical OTM ....LC 06 ( NATO Cross )...............Av. 2795 , ES 49...............Av. 2863 , ES 37................ 77gr Black Hills 5.56 TMK .........WCC 14 ( NATO Cross )...........Av. 2636 , ES 54................Av. 2753 , ES 63..............Outstanding Accuracy. 77gr Black Hills 5.56 OTM .........LC 14 ( NATO Cross )...............Av. 2592 , ES 21................Av. 2675 , ES 82..............Very accurate 77gr PMC XTAC .223 SMK .......PMC 223 REM..........................Av. 2350 , ES 62................Av. 2427 , ES 31............... 77gr Winc. Match 5.56 _ _ _ .... WCC 14 5.56 MM......................Av. 2364 , ES 47................Av. 2468 , ES 54..............For a 5.56 round, this is very low velocity. 77gr Rem. .223 SMK .................R-P 223 REM...........................Av. 2468 , ES 73.................Av. 2563 , ES 39............. 77gr FGMM .223 SMK FGMM .223..............F C 223 REM.............................Av. 2340 , ES 25................Av. 2411 , ES 33.............. 77gr Fiocchi .223 SMK ..............G.F.L. 223 REM........................Av. 2390 , ES 96................Av. 2488 , ES 53............. 77gr CBC 5.56 PR 844 SMK ......5.56 CBC 12............................Av. 2620 , ES 36.................Av. 2729 , ES 34...........These last two are labeled with different powders. 77gr CBC 5.56 WC732 SMK ......5.56 CBC 14............................Av. 2640 , ES 52................Av. 2712 , ES 50............ |
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Posted: 3/23/2015 10:26:12 PM EDT
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thank you so much for this!
how was the accuracy of the ADI F1? |
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Posted: 3/23/2015 11:34:05 PM EDT
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thank you so much for this! how was the accuracy of the ADI F1? ADI was more accurate then XM855 ( not hard to do IMHO ) but PMC XTAC beat it accuracy wise.... YMMV. |
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Posted: 3/24/2015 10:30:30 AM EDT
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Hmmmm....are you sure your chronograph is calibrated properly? Your numbers for Fiocchi seem way off from other readings I've seen elsewhere. Your numbers are low by almost 300 fps!
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Posted: 3/24/2015 2:20:42 PM EDT
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Hmmmm....are you sure your chronograph is calibrated properly? Your numbers for Fiocchi seem way off from other readings I've seen elsewhere. Your numbers are low by almost 300 fps! Could be my lot of it. I double checked after seeing those figures, because I agree they seem low.... but my known GECO ammo was right where it should be. I fired ten rounds of GECO right after the 10 rounds Fiocchi 55gr PSP. |
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