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PA, USA
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Posted: 8/19/2008 7:38:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: endoh]
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i bought a few cases when i got my ars in the late 90s. three are reserve. one supplies and resupplies brass for target work. oh, yeah, anybody else remember railing when this ammo went to $4 per box? it's consistently 1.5" ammo out of my armalite and bushmaster and iirc out of my former dr200.
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ON, CAN
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Posted: 9/12/2008 10:54:48 PM EDT
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I just bought two cases of PMC Bronze .223 to try it out, and because it's cheaper than Winchester white box. It looks like 5.56 from the outside, but it's marked .223 on the headstamp and on the packaging. Does anyone know if they simply reduced the charge so that it would be safer to fire through .223 chambered rifles?
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Posted: 9/16/2008 12:58:41 AM EDT
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Is MOBarn considered a minor or major problem?
I bought a couple of boxes of PMC Bronze 55g FMJ-BT. Took it out plinking and it cycled fine in my Bushmaster OSR, so I bought a case. Next trip to the range, I have trouble with my EOTech...or so I thought. From the bench, I was getting 2" groups at 50 yards with quite a few fliers that were several inches out. Put a scope on the Bushy and took 6 different types of ammo to the range. End result was that the PMC Bronze came out much worst than even Wolf steel case; mainly because of the fliers I put 25 rounds of the PMC downrange at 100 yards. Only one 5-shot group was under 2.5". The other 4 groups had fliers, the worst flier about 7" from POA. In comparison, the worst of four groups of Hornady V-Max was 1.2". The Wolf steel case groups were about 3", with no fliers. Maybe my gun just does not like the PMC, maybe it was a "bad batch" of ammo, but either way I will not be buying any more .223 PMC. |
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Posted: 10/15/2008 8:06:45 PM EDT
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good stuff. I have shot hundreds of rounds of it with no problems. and the brass I have gotten from shooting it made great loads in reloading. I cant say anything bad
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MO, USA
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Posted: 11/9/2008 1:14:20 PM EDT
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This is not the 5.56 from the 90s. This is .223 power ammo. Having said that it is good ammo. Not one issue in over 1k rounds thru several carbines. Accuracy could be better,but it is a 55gr. fmj. It averages less than 2800fps out of my carbines. So it definately is not 5.56 pressure.
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USA
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Posted: 11/9/2008 7:05:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: surfinguru]
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First 100 rounds down the pipe on my Stag upper was PMC Bronze. (ROK manufactured, Lot 223-0361) No issues at all. Found it for $6.99 a box at the local sporting goods just down the street, and with the way ammo prices are going, I picked up about 800 rnds. If I could afford it, I would've bought more. Figure it's better than Wolf, great for plinking and I can keep the brass for reloading.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 11/9/2008 8:21:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BurkeC]
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I bought a case of PMC to stash away and an additional box of 20 to chrono. I forget the numbers, but it is much slower than LC. The gun store guy let me trade the case back in for some LC and pay the difference in price.
If I remember correctly, I concluded that the fragment distance for my 16 inch Bushy with PMC was only about 100 yrds. With the LC, it's more like 175 yrds. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 11/9/2008 11:17:41 PM EDT
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I have shot 1k rounds through my Stag Model 2L with no problems what so ever. I recommend this ammo to anyone for target shooting and just plinking.
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MT, USA
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Posted: 11/13/2008 8:42:26 PM EDT
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I just bought a DPMS rifle and 1k rounds of PMC ammo.The DPMS website lists ammo not to use and why they don't like certain brands.I asked about PMC and they said it was the only one out of the 3 I mentioned that they would use. The other 2 were Wolf,and Silver Bear. No problems at all so far with it.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 12/18/2008 6:03:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: NastyStang113]
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Please add your personal experience with PMC ammunition to this thread. When you do, please give information about:
1) Ammunition used 2) Firearm used in 3) Approximate number of rounds fired. 1. PMC Bronze .223 2. RRA Entry Tactical LAR15 16" & Tactical Innovations BDX15 + LMT 16" 3. 1,000+ with zero problems, cleans up well and shoots great. Originally Posted By Venkman:
Natchez has the best deal on PMC as far as I've seen. Bud's has the best price I've seen. http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/656_658/products_id/74001 |
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Posted: 12/18/2008 6:59:47 PM EDT
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Ive been though 100 rounds, and I will keep buying it.
I don't know how accurate it is because we were killing pumpkins...they all hit from 50 yards if that helps. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 1/6/2009 11:19:02 PM EDT
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Fired a few PMC rounds. All went bang.
Everything Fired Everything Cycled Everything Ejected Everyones happy =] Will buy more! hopefully 1000 round box. |
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Posted: 1/7/2009 8:16:51 AM EDT
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I recently ran some PMC at 50 and 100 yards along side XM193 and Federal BP223. All shot perfectly with the XM193 and BP223 being a little more consistant, but the PMC was still GTG.
I'd buy it for the right price  .
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FL, USA
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Posted: 1/7/2009 2:46:56 PM EDT
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I bought up a whole bunch of the .223 RSA...it's the hottest off the shelf .223 I've shot, good stuff, I really like it.
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KS, USA
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Posted: 1/13/2009 12:34:22 AM EDT
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Looking for some all around swiss army knife type ammo for a 16" 1/9 DPMS Dissapator. Would this be good for mostly for plinking & maybe the occasional varmint (bobcat & coyote) inside of 200 yds? Also, will PMC Bronze pass the magnet test?
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KY, USA
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Posted: 1/27/2009 11:30:43 AM EDT
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It is as good as any I hav eused and a whole lot cheaper not a single problems with at least 2500 rounds of PMC shot
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TX, USA
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Posted: 2/19/2009 4:38:55 PM EDT
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Has anyone actually chronoed the 223A load? I've got some myself, but no chrono. I'd be very interested in the average velocities.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 2/20/2009 3:36:09 AM EDT
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Good for reloading? Anyone know what primers they use?
I was thinking of picking some up (as it's cheapest .223 in my area) but decided I'm only going to start buying stuff worth reloading. |
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Posted: 2/20/2009 6:26:45 AM EDT
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I have run over 8000 rounds of PMC threw my four AR's over the years and have never had any problems with it (55gr FMJ).
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Posted: 2/20/2009 1:33:04 PM EDT
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I shot this stuff years ago when it was in the old white/red packaging. I used it in my old Ruger Mini-14 Ranch rifle. Probably 1000rds total of 55gr FMJ, and it was always reliable and seemed powerful. Accuracy was about typical for the Mini-14, which was mediocre.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2009 2:23:59 AM EDT
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For some reason, thought I'd posted a comment on PMC however, cant find it....it's hell getting old!...been shooting Seka (name I gave my carbine) for 3 months and it sure likes PMC.....no problems here.
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NY, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2009 2:58:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: phoenix27]
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I've shot some PMC 223A thru a bunch of Colt and Bushy 20s and 16s. It's defintiely a slower .223 load and not the hotter 5.56mm stuff. I've found the accuracy is average-to-crappy with occasional fliers. This ammo is a step above woof poly steel for me and I won't waste my $ on it if other ammo alternatives are available. After shooting many thousands of rounds of .223/5.56mm ammo thru a dozen different AR platforms, I have gravitated to using either Fed XM193 for plinking and SHTF ammo and Prvi 75-gr OTM for competitive shoots and any hunting, based on available 2009 ammo choices.
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IA, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2009 3:30:28 AM EDT
[#23]
500 rds of 55gr FMJ through a Stag Model 1. Maybe 1 or 2 FTF but otherwise no problems.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2009 7:12:51 PM EDT
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I've put about 400 rounds thru my M&P15T in the last few months without a problem of any kind.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/28/2009 6:57:15 AM EDT
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In January 2009 I purchased 1200 rounds of PMC .223 55gr FMJ-BT ammo from Cabela's.
I have used 150 rounds each month since then through my Bushmaster XM-15. The PMC has been consistent without a failure, fairly clean and accurate. The price was on the low end of the scale when compared to other .223 FMJ-BT ammo on the market. I am well satisfied with PMC and will buy it again. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2009 1:44:46 PM EDT
[#26]
I have shot thousands of PMC 55gr FMJ made in ROK in my AR never had any complaints. Will continue to buy it as it remains available.
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SC, USA
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Posted: 5/3/2009 8:23:52 PM EDT
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I just picked up a steal on pmc ammunition at outdoor marksman.com and at 8.99 a box I decided to increase my stash as well. But, my wife admonished me that unless I was serious do not buy just a few, so I was abliged to acquire about 100 boxes of the stuff.
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USA
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Posted: 5/4/2009 8:44:06 PM EDT
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I just got some new manufacture (3/25/09) 55gr PMC and it doesn't have the red primer sealant or annealed case markings?
I don't think it matters for plinking ammo, maybe just a cost/time saving measure given the current demand? I got it for $7.99 a box! However, sales tax was almost 10%... Dennis. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/4/2009 8:57:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Supracerxtreme]
[#29]
I had 3 fail to fire the other week, most likely cause of bolt bouncing.... I reloaded them and they fired fine.
I just got 1k for $393.90 earlier this afternoon at a local store, $24.90 of it was taxes 
I'll probably save up to go buy some more. |
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Posted: 5/5/2009 12:06:43 AM EDT
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I have fired a couple of K through various Ar's and no problems until I purchased my last batch. As another poster stated no anneal marks and no red sealant. No biggie. But when I opened one box, I found a round with the projectile pushed almost all the way into the case. Not a huge issue and I caught it so no harm done, I would purchase more of this ammo if it continues to be cheaper than other brass cased alternatives.
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2009 5:37:06 AM EDT
[#31]
i just picked up 2k. great ammo and "affordable".
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NY, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2009 7:39:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: phoenix27]
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PMC Seems to be very releaibe.223 ammo for all of my past and present ARs, including a half dozen 14.5, 16 and 20" HBar Bushies, a pair of Colt 20" 1/7s and a duet of 16" and 20" RRAs. I still prefer Fed 5.56mm XM193 when I can get it at the same price, but PMC .223 has been ultra good for me and my ARs. Accuracy is in the 2" range at 100M and it fires fairly clean with minimal bolt carrier gunk. All of the lots I have shot over the past 3––to-4 years have been g2g.
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MN, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2009 7:20:21 PM EDT
[#33]
Is the brass from PMC worth saving to reload (if I ever decide to start reloading)?
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CA, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2009 2:14:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Spitfire75:
I bought 500 rounds at a local funshow and hauled it out to Oklahoma with me at the beginning of July. I fired 220 rounds through my carbine. I had zero malfunctions and the ammo seemed to be great. I didn't shoot for groups, just minute of man at 50 yards in the hot and muggy rain. Here are my rifle's specs: LMT 14.5" M4 Upper with Phantom FH Knight's Armament M4 RAS Stag Lower with RRA LPK Aimpoint ML3 2MOA LaRue Cantilever Mount LMT SOPMOD Stock LaBelle 30rd Magazines That's all the important stuff, anyway. By the way, coming from a Ban State, it was a pleasure to shoot my rifle with standard capacity, detachable magazines. See? Look at that shit-eating grin! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/ocsk8brdr/Jobrelatedstuff/IMG_0382.jpg Hey, you look familiar. Were you in the Marine Corps? |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 6/18/2009 9:43:32 PM EDT
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Used 300 rounds last saturday on my 16" Bushmaster. Not one FTF nor FTE.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/18/2009 11:23:21 PM EDT
[#36]
Originally Posted By 2bsss:
Is the brass from PMC worth saving to reload (if I ever decide to start reloading)? Absolutely. heck, pick it up and sell it. You can get up to 10 bucks for 100 pieces of once fired. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 7/30/2009 2:15:31 AM EDT
[#37]
Over the past year I've put over 7,000 rounds of this stuff through various M4geries, bushmasters, rock rivers, stags, etc, and never a problem except for the one misfire from a box that sat for a few days soaking in a puddle of water. Oops, my bad. It's nice and hot and it's accurate, seems to print 1.25-1.5 groups from all my guns (100 yards), that's with irons, might do better with a scope. I've taken some carbine courses where it was all everyone used––-spent a couple weeks where 10-15 guys were all running it and never seen any ammo related malfunctions with it.
Basically, it's what I prefer to shoot if I don't feel like plinking with Wolf. The PMC seems to be generally $75-$100 cheaper than Lake City and it's plenty hot. The PRVI stuff wasn't very accurate in one of my Rock Rivers, I know it's plenty hot but out of a 16" 1:9 RR middy it was making 3-4 inch groups at 50 yards. Though I guess everyone else here loves the PRVI. Maybe I'll try it again. Only caveat––I've noticed there are two different types coming in, unfortunately I wasn't able to compare lot numbers. The most common type is unpolished case, annealing still visible on case neck, and red laquered primer sealant. The other type looks prettier, highly polished case, no annealing marks and no primer sealant that I could see. The unsealed stuff is what I got the misfire from, but then sitting in water for 3 days, I'd expect that from any ammo. So, one question I have––anyone know if it fragments? |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 7/30/2009 2:52:33 AM EDT
[#38]
I have shot around 1k rounds of 55gr fmj PMC and had no problems. I shot it out of my rra 16" 1/9 twist. Everything one can ask for in a 223 round.
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Posted: 8/1/2009 9:48:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: snakes19]
[#39]
ran fine in my 20" hbar bushmaster, accuracy was OK not great, was a bit dirty. Overall though very good range ammo for the money. Also the brass appears perfectly fine for reloading.
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Posted: 8/29/2009 8:45:59 AM EDT
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Just finished shooting a case of the PMC 55grain bronze without a single problem. All rounds functioned flawlessly and accuracy was ok for plinking ammo. I will be buying more!!! Good To Go!!!
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OH, USA
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Posted: 2/12/2010 12:26:05 PM EDT
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I local gun shop has this for $300/1k. I can pick it up tomorrow, I like the idea of cheap brass more than the Tula or TAP training!
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Posted: 2/12/2010 4:29:55 PM EDT
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I've shot about a case and a half between my 6920 and my Sabre A4 without any problems.
I definitely prefer it over centurion for general plinking use. It has better brass, seems more consistent and has better accuracy. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 2/25/2010 2:12:45 PM EDT
[#43]
Originally Posted By Turbinator:
Bought 1000 rounds of PMC .223 in about 1999, NEVER had a single problem with it at all. Brass is all brand new and shiny, no crimp problems, no bullet deformations anywhere. Everything packed nicely in 20 round boxes. Would definitely buy again. Be aware that my batch came from awhile back and your mileage may vary in today's batches - standard disclaimer. Turby i just bought some from gun shop, the bullet change to golden color, look very nice, shoot excellent..... 
it shoot better than 5.56 in my rifle...... 
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Posted: 3/29/2010 1:43:31 AM EDT
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This is my plinking ammo and so far no problems (knock on wood) since I have a little over 3000 rounds left....
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OH, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2010 6:56:29 AM EDT
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I have used it before with no issues, been trying to stock up on it lately as a local shop has it on sale for $6.99@20.
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Posted: 3/29/2010 10:49:27 AM EDT
[#46]
Originally Posted By Smallmouth:
I have used it before with no issues, been trying to stock up on it lately as a local shop has it on sale for $6.99@20. Good price...best I can do is $7.00 online....locally, almost $9. |
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Posted: 3/29/2010 1:46:53 PM EDT
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Just ran 1500+ rounds of it through my bushmaster last week. Rain, mud, sand more rain. PMC bronze went fine and was extremely accurate. I have also been very impressed with the .45 acp and the 9 mm luger. Ran 1000 rounds of it through my bro's P226 9 and also not even a hitch of a problem. Seems like quality stuff. Would buy again.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2010 11:09:34 PM EDT
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I just finished a VTAC Carbine 1.5 course ealier this month and used PMC 55grn ammo exclusively.
Shot between 1500-1700 rds over 3 days. The only issue I had was when a round failed to go into battery - this was due to shooting "roll over prone" and I suspect the debris kicked back into the ejection port gummed up with the grease lube . A quick field strip and cleaning, followed by Miltec lube and the rifle ran without any more issues. My Remington 700 SPS Varmint loves this stuff to . Hope that was helpful, M |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2010 1:46:04 PM EDT
[#49]
I picked up 1000 round case locally for $299.00. I have yet to shoot it, but I am liking the reviews so far.
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IA, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2010 5:25:10 PM EDT
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I have shot about 600 rounds of the PMC Bronze 55gr FMJ through my Armalite with a 16" barrel. No problems what so ever. Last weekend I shot 300 rounds of wolf, then 300 rounds of silver bear, then 150 rounds of PMC Bronze (without as much as running a bore brush through it) and didn't have any problems then either. Seems like good stuff to me. I can usually get about 1.5 - 2" ten shot groups at a hundred yards. The cheapest I can find it locally is $7.99 for a box of 20.
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