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Posted: 4/27/2016 6:29:51 PM EDT
Hey ya'll just a quick question about the 727 carbine.
I've got one in the works that's been engraved by braceman with the correct Colt commercial markings, 14.5 pinned barrel, etc. My question is related to the finish of the gun. I know many 7XX series guns can be really loose on how they come built from the factory and was wondering if that also applied to the finish. Were 727s mostly the earlier grey or the current Colt Flat Black? I've seen a 729 burst model in grey for sale before. Fortunately, I have Norrell's in both grey and black colors. The A2 upper I have is a FK forge code, Kaiser Aluminum which is grey and pretty darn close to the Colt Grey.
Any input is greatly appreciated! If you have 727 clones, lets see 'em! Maybe that'll help me decide  |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 6:38:29 PM EDT
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I've found pics of both but it's hard to say what's original and what's not and also whats been color corrected over time etc.
I went with black on my 727 build but that's because that's how the parts came to me. I would post pics of it up but i've been pimping it everywhere else so i'll refrain this time. |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 7:01:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/27/2016 8:02:40 PM EDT
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Go through the thread about making a 1993 Mogadishu clone. Look for the pictures of Delta and Rangers using 723s and 727s. If I recall, they're mostly black. Here's one of the clearest photos you'll find, which has a mix of 723s and 727s.
After checking it over, the 727s in that photo are noticeably darker than the 723s. |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 9:18:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I went XM Gray with mine. It works well with the upper I have which is Cerro forge marked. http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/Weapons%202014/Retro%20ARs/Model%20727/017_zpsq55q4rao.jpg http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/Weapons%202014/Retro%20ARs/Model%20727/015_zpsgdatmjkg.jpg  |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 9:26:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Go through the thread about making a 1993 Mogadishu clone. Look for the pictures of Delta and Rangers using 723s and 727s. If I recall, they're mostly black. Here's one of the clearest photos you'll find, which has a mix of 723s and 727s. http://i1353.photobucket.com/albums/q662/Vaughan06sf/2C453E20-39B9-4416-B2C8-DD00389C860E_zps5ixw5uvi.jpg After checking it over, the 727s in that photo are noticeably darker than the 723s. Thanks to all that have posted thus far |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 10:34:43 PM EDT
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Damn jrs93, your carbine is making it harder for me to choose, very nice Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I went XM Gray with mine. It works well with the upper I have which is Cerro forge marked. http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/Weapons%202014/Retro%20ARs/Model%20727/017_zpsq55q4rao.jpg http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/Weapons%202014/Retro%20ARs/Model%20727/015_zpsgdatmjkg.jpg Here's my counter argument; Go Black. 
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Posted: 4/28/2016 12:19:03 AM EDT
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There are no 727s in that photograph of Paul Howe [et al], they are various different configurations of R0723.
"True" black anodizing didn't really show up on Colt rifles until well into the M4 era, 7xx series carbines from the factory would have been one hue or another of gray, ranging from "Preban gray" to "Charcoal gray." Also, refurbished/rearsenaled weapons were often coated with a flat black coating, and some are reported to have been sprayed with black engine paint. For the most part, however, I suspect most photographs where they appear black have more to do with color saturation/contrast/etc. Referencing that photograph again, if you look at the darker carbines, the black polymer pistol grips and handguards still contrast with the receivers, and there's definite contrast with the black vests/kneepads/other equipment. ~Augee |
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Posted: 4/28/2016 9:25:40 AM EDT
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Thank you all with your comments and excellent clone pics. Still not getting any easier to decide if I want to go factory grey or have it set up as an "arsenal refinish" in black....decisions, decisions
Need to find an old school castle nut for my receiver extension. Again, thanks to all!
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Posted: 4/28/2016 9:50:27 AM EDT
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I went for late 727 tending toward XM4 for mine. Still need a gray delta ring to make it "just right".
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Posted: 4/28/2016 10:07:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I went for late 727 tending toward XM4 for mine. Still need a gray delta ring to make it "just right". http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt317/Pericles-photo/M4early_zps8f01a6ab.jpg  You have the A2 comm. roll mark on that? |
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Posted: 4/28/2016 1:46:51 PM EDT
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There are no 727s in that photograph of Paul Howe [et al], they are various different configurations of R0723. "True" black anodizing didn't really show up on Colt rifles until well into the M4 era, 7xx series carbines from the factory would have been one hue or another of gray, ranging from "Preban gray" to "Charcoal gray." Also, refurbished/rearsenaled weapons were often coated with a flat black coating, and some are reported to have been sprayed with black engine paint. For the most part, however, I suspect most photographs where they appear black have more to do with color saturation/contrast/etc. Referencing that photograph again, if you look at the darker carbines, the black polymer pistol grips and handguards still contrast with the receivers, and there's definite contrast with the black vests/kneepads/other equipment. ~Augee I agree with Augee, the pics might just be shading and such. I can show that with a pic of mine...... 
It's really hard to tell how grey mine is in this pic. Obviously those guys aren't in the shade, but there are a lot of variables. I'm guessing that wasn't a digital camera and that itself has a huge impact on color and shade. Even digital cameras it's not always perfect. The counter is true of the first pic. It's hard to see how black the furniture is in comparison to the grey in the metal. Maybe a better representation of the real colors. Still not quite the same as in person..... 
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Posted: 4/28/2016 2:21:56 PM EDT
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Thanks for clearing that up, Augee. The rifles I thought had A2 sights are lacking the A2 features, which definitely points to 723s. Good to know for future reference.
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Posted: 4/28/2016 3:52:50 PM EDT
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Many early M4A1 were gray also. This one was deployed in 2012.
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Posted: 4/28/2016 5:01:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryDQuoted: Thanks for clearing that up, Augee. The rifles I thought had A2 sights are lacking the A2 features, which definitely points to 723s. Good to know for future reference.  |
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Posted: 4/29/2016 12:04:58 AM EDT
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Many early M4A1 were gray also. This one was deployed in 2012. <a href="http://s275.photobucket.com/user/imdbman65/media/DSCF1149.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj290/imdbman65/DSCF1149.jpg</a> Thanks for sharing this pic of an gray M4 I need to get another 80% done and have it anodized gray to match a pre-adoption flat-top upper marked with a "4" above the gas tube. But where the hell am I going to find a set of purple KAC rails
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Posted: 4/29/2016 1:48:03 AM EDT
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I have seen a lot of those purple kac rails. Not for sale though. Good Luck!
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Posted: 4/29/2016 9:24:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for sharing this pic of an gray M4 I need to get another 80% done and have it anodized gray to match a pre-adoption flat-top upper marked with a "4" above the gas tube. But where the hell am I going to find a set of purple KAC rails Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Many early M4A1 were gray also. This one was deployed in 2012. <a href="http://s275.photobucket.com/user/imdbman65/media/DSCF1149.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj290/imdbman65/DSCF1149.jpg</a> Thanks for sharing this pic of an gray M4 I need to get another 80% done and have it anodized gray to match a pre-adoption flat-top upper marked with a "4" above the gas tube. But where the hell am I going to find a set of purple KAC rails I've had plenty of KAC rails since then, never seen a purple one again. |
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Posted: 4/29/2016 9:54:43 AM EDT
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Niiiice! You have the A2 comm. roll mark on that? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I went for late 727 tending toward XM4 for mine. Still need a gray delta ring to make it "just right". http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt317/Pericles-photo/M4early_zps8f01a6ab.jpg You have the A2 comm. roll mark on that? No it is a McKay lower by way of NDS, on my list of stuff to do is have Braceman fix me up with a proper lower. It gas a 4 position extension, Colt upper with ramps, but no 4 or M4 mark, non F marked FSB, but C MP barrel and not the (C) MP barrel. Peel washer behind the suppressor tops it off. This is why I call it a mix. Not 727 and not XM4 either. And thanks for that pic of the gray M4A1. |
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Posted: 4/29/2016 5:51:36 PM EDT
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Does anyone have the picture of the XM4 receiver markings?
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Posted: 4/29/2016 8:12:16 PM EDT
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Does anyone have the picture of the XM4 receiver markings? Pulled this picture of an XM4 receiver from an archived thread. 
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Posted: 4/30/2016 2:32:06 PM EDT
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I went with black since that's what the A2 upper I found was. McKay lower.
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Posted: 4/30/2016 4:02:16 PM EDT
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Urgh fine i'll play
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Posted: 4/30/2016 6:22:56 PM EDT
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Quote Historyhell yeah, how'd get the finish like that on the magzine |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 9:41:14 PM EDT
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hell yeah, how'd get the finish like that on the magzine Quote HistoryQuoted:
Found it at a gun show. Paid $6 for it. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 10:54:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Found it at a gun show. Paid $6 for it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Found it at a gun show. Paid $6 for it. Just love that "been there" look of your black 727, probably gonna go with the Norrells SOCOM black as I a have significantly less amount of Norrell's greyish-black than I originally thought
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Posted: 5/1/2016 8:23:41 AM EDT
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Sweet score on the mag, just missed the gun show last weekend, too burnt out from work to make the 40-something mile drive to Tampa Just love that "been there" look of your black 727, probably gonna go with the Norrells SOCOM black as I a have significantly less amount of Norrell's greyish-black than I originally thoughtQuote HistoryQuoted:
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Found it at a gun show. Paid $6 for it. Just love that "been there" look of your black 727, probably gonna go with the Norrells SOCOM black as I a have significantly less amount of Norrell's greyish-black than I originally thoughtLOL!!! You had the exact same weekend I did...10 hour round trip to Tampa and back on sat then I did manage to make it to the gun show. I actually picked up two goldies but that one is by far the best. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 9:39:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL!!! You had the exact same weekend I did...10 hour round trip to Tampa and back on sat then I did manage to make it to the gun show. I actually picked up two goldies but that one is by far the best. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Found it at a gun show. Paid $6 for it. Just love that "been there" look of your black 727, probably gonna go with the Norrells SOCOM black as I a have significantly less amount of Norrell's greyish-black than I originally thoughtLOL!!! You had the exact same weekend I did...10 hour round trip to Tampa and back on sat then I did manage to make it to the gun show. I actually picked up two goldies but that one is by far the best.  old age be creepin' |
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