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Posted: 4/19/2014 6:59:50 PM EDT
[#1]
Compatible with USGI mags?
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Posted: 4/19/2014 8:39:36 PM EDT
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Compatible with USGI mags? Of course. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 11:58:19 PM EDT
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Very nice!
I need one for my ultra light.
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Posted: 4/22/2014 2:13:46 PM EDT
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Very nice! I need one for my ultra light.
Thank you! Coming from you, that means a lot honestly... I know you are selective of your gear, and use it from what I have seen. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 2:16:56 PM EDT
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picture from our instagram account
If you guys are not on our instagram, and facebook, hit them up. We posted the final weight of our upper. This will be the production model, we still have to wrap the pallets, and do production dimension checks, but this should be final weight. 5.85oz 
Pricing and availability will still be at the end of this month.
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Posted: 4/22/2014 4:38:50 PM EDT
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picture from our instagram account If you guys are not on our instagram, and facebook, hit them up. We posted the final weight of our upper. This will be the production model, we still have to wrap the pallets, and do production dimension checks, but this should be final weight. 5.85oz https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/10306401_726721437348688_6713303914126592742_n.jpg Pricing and availability will still be at the end of this month. 
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:40:47 PM EDT
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picture from our instagram account If you guys are not on our instagram, and facebook, hit them up. We posted the final weight of our upper. This will be the production model, we still have to wrap the pallets, and do production dimension checks, but this should be final weight. 5.85oz https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/10306401_726721437348688_6713303914126592742_n.jpg Pricing and availability will still be at the end of this month. That is gorgeous! Is that the curb weight? This is somewhat troublesome to me as I have all the parts bought for a sub-five pound rifle and am just waiting on FN for a barrel to ship.... 
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:43:35 PM EDT
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Coming along nicely! |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 2:14:36 AM EDT
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We worked a whole bunch on the upper today. 
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Looks to clean and I don't see anyone working on my new upper and lower?? We worked a whole bunch on the upper today.
https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t1.0-9/10156024_724132260940939_713494549142484790_n.jpg Awesome! No forward assist. You are on to something! |
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Posted: 4/26/2014 9:22:47 PM EDT
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We are getting closer folks....
Back from Ano, everything checks out. the upper in these pictures has the bell at the front, but that WILL NOT be on the production model. 
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Posted: 4/26/2014 9:33:35 PM EDT
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I think i see Blue.. He's Glorious
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Posted: 4/26/2014 9:34:39 PM EDT
[#12]
Damn that is sexy!
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Posted: 4/26/2014 9:36:18 PM EDT
[#13]
Wow. I didn't realize that these were short throw lowers until seeing the new pics for some reason...looking pretty sweet! Just need to know how much it's going to hurt my wallet/sex life when I order....
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Posted: 4/26/2014 9:46:10 PM EDT
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It's a fun one to take pictures of, lots of contrasting areas.
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Posted: 4/26/2014 10:42:55 PM EDT
[#15]
Looks Awesome!
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Posted: 4/26/2014 10:43:10 PM EDT
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How is the weight and cost compared to a drilled 9mm slickside upper?
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Posted: 4/26/2014 11:15:33 PM EDT
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How is the weight and cost compared to a drilled 9mm slickside upper? Great question!!!.... Ok, ok, I had to work that in someplace. Not sure on either of the above. If you find out, post it up sir! thanks! |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 3:05:48 AM EDT
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HOLY CRAP that looks fantastic!
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Posted: 4/27/2014 10:35:52 AM EDT
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We are getting closer folks....
Back from Ano, everything checks out. the upper in these pictures has the bell at the front, but that WILL NOT be on the production model. https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-KPEgDsdlGSs/U1xa65sISKI/AAAAAAAAA5o/kQ_pp6pgezE/w1313-h875-no/IMG_3413.JPG https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-dvU5cRzsUgs/U1xbFz-gN-I/AAAAAAAAA5w/T0HKeSmmv5c/w583-h875-no/IMG_3417.JPG https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-c1wI73axIAE/U1xaqd0V64I/AAAAAAAAA5E/WmmPhM77Mdk/w1313-h875-no/IMG_3418.JPG https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-nOXgbL2kAbE/U1xa7TBltfI/AAAAAAAAA5g/187KLJ6G-l8/w1313-h875-no/IMG_3421.JPG Is the bell the area that's just behind the barrel nut threading? If so, most rail systems incorporate an anti rotation design that interfaces with milspec dimensional specs in that area. If the bell meets milspec dimensional drawings in that part of the upper, I would kindly ask that you leave it there. Wes |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 10:54:45 AM EDT
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Man just when I was about to close the book on building Ar-15's for a long while this comes out.
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Posted: 4/27/2014 10:56:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks great, really like how the upper turned out as well. Definitely gonna pick up a set when y'all release. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:02:35 AM EDT
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It's a fun one to take pictures of, lots of contrasting areas. https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-qRPhiWVwDio/U1xhCF3-LYI/AAAAAAAAA6E/eAf9l1FmmN8/w1313-h875-no/IMG_3423.JPG Do you have a high res version of that pic you're willing to put out? I'd love that as a background on my tablet. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 12:12:42 PM EDT
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Double post...
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Posted: 4/27/2014 12:15:07 PM EDT
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Is the bell the area that's just behind the barrel nut threading? If so, most rail systems incorporate an anti rotation design that interfaces with milspec dimensional specs in that area. If the bell meets milspec dimensional drawings in that part of the upper, I would kindly ask that you leave it there. Wes Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We are getting closer folks....
Back from Ano, everything checks out. the upper in these pictures has the bell at the front, but that WILL NOT be on the production model. https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-KPEgDsdlGSs/U1xa65sISKI/AAAAAAAAA5o/kQ_pp6pgezE/w1313-h875-no/IMG_3413.JPG https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-dvU5cRzsUgs/U1xbFz-gN-I/AAAAAAAAA5w/T0HKeSmmv5c/w583-h875-no/IMG_3417.JPG https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-c1wI73axIAE/U1xaqd0V64I/AAAAAAAAA5E/WmmPhM77Mdk/w1313-h875-no/IMG_3418.JPG https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-nOXgbL2kAbE/U1xa7TBltfI/AAAAAAAAA5g/187KLJ6G-l8/w1313-h875-no/IMG_3421.JPG Is the bell the area that's just behind the barrel nut threading? If so, most rail systems incorporate an anti rotation design that interfaces with milspec dimensional specs in that area. If the bell meets milspec dimensional drawings in that part of the upper, I would kindly ask that you leave it there. Wes Pretty much every rail that I've installed uses the gas system channel to align a rail to the upper (aside from the lightening after the transition it looks pretty standard to me) and not the side wall of the receiver itself. What rails are you using? My only concern there would be the wall thickness in the areas that house the barrel extension. Have you guys done much live fire/full auto testing with them? I get the feeling that most people who will be interested in these will be the 3 gun guys and we all know their guns are going to see a lot more mileage than the average... |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 1:34:38 PM EDT
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Is the bell the area that's just behind the barrel nut threading? If so, most rail systems incorporate an anti rotation design that interfaces with milspec dimensional specs in that area. If the bell meets milspec dimensional drawings in that part of the upper, I would kindly ask that you leave it there. Wes Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We are getting closer folks....
Back from Ano, everything checks out. the upper in these pictures has the bell at the front, but that WILL NOT be on the production model. https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-KPEgDsdlGSs/U1xa65sISKI/AAAAAAAAA5o/kQ_pp6pgezE/w1313-h875-no/IMG_3413.JPG https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-dvU5cRzsUgs/U1xbFz-gN-I/AAAAAAAAA5w/T0HKeSmmv5c/w583-h875-no/IMG_3417.JPG https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-c1wI73axIAE/U1xaqd0V64I/AAAAAAAAA5E/WmmPhM77Mdk/w1313-h875-no/IMG_3418.JPG https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-nOXgbL2kAbE/U1xa7TBltfI/AAAAAAAAA5g/187KLJ6G-l8/w1313-h875-no/IMG_3421.JPG Is the bell the area that's just behind the barrel nut threading? If so, most rail systems incorporate an anti rotation design that interfaces with milspec dimensional specs in that area. If the bell meets milspec dimensional drawings in that part of the upper, I would kindly ask that you leave it there. Wes Yup, that's it.... We played with the idea of reducing it to allow anti rotation tabs to work with it, but found that some rails that have wings or locking devices that go back over the upper would not work at all with the bell. It looks great on rails that are flush since it caps the back of the rail. But we figured it would be to much trouble down the road for people if we left it. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 1:37:21 PM EDT
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Do you have a high res version of that pic you're willing to put out? I'd love that as a background on my tablet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's a fun one to take pictures of, lots of contrasting areas. https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-qRPhiWVwDio/U1xhCF3-LYI/AAAAAAAAA6E/eAf9l1FmmN8/w1313-h875-no/IMG_3423.JPG Do you have a high res version of that pic you're willing to put out? I'd love that as a background on my tablet. Send me an E-mail [email protected], and I will get you a pic monday. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 1:40:55 PM EDT
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Pretty much every rail that I've installed uses the gas system channel to align a rail to the upper (aside from the lightening after the transition it looks pretty standard to me) and not the side wall of the receiver itself. What rails are you using? My only concern there would be the wall thickness in the areas that house the barrel extension. Have you guys done much live fire/full auto testing with them? I get the feeling that most people who will be interested in these will be the 3 gun guys and we all know their guns are going to see a lot more mileage than the average... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We are getting closer folks....
Back from Ano, everything checks out. the upper in these pictures has the bell at the front, but that WILL NOT be on the production model. https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-KPEgDsdlGSs/U1xa65sISKI/AAAAAAAAA5o/kQ_pp6pgezE/w1313-h875-no/IMG_3413.JPG https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-dvU5cRzsUgs/U1xbFz-gN-I/AAAAAAAAA5w/T0HKeSmmv5c/w583-h875-no/IMG_3417.JPG https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-c1wI73axIAE/U1xaqd0V64I/AAAAAAAAA5E/WmmPhM77Mdk/w1313-h875-no/IMG_3418.JPG https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-nOXgbL2kAbE/U1xa7TBltfI/AAAAAAAAA5g/187KLJ6G-l8/w1313-h875-no/IMG_3421.JPG Is the bell the area that's just behind the barrel nut threading? If so, most rail systems incorporate an anti rotation design that interfaces with milspec dimensional specs in that area. If the bell meets milspec dimensional drawings in that part of the upper, I would kindly ask that you leave it there. Wes Pretty much every rail that I've installed uses the gas system channel to align a rail to the upper (aside from the lightening after the transition it looks pretty standard to me) and not the side wall of the receiver itself. What rails are you using? My only concern there would be the wall thickness in the areas that house the barrel extension. Have you guys done much live fire/full auto testing with them? I get the feeling that most people who will be interested in these will be the 3 gun guys and we all know their guns are going to see a lot more mileage than the average... If I remember correctly, the upper is actually thicker in that are compared to a "Mil-Spec" upper. I have not sent a bunch of FA rounds down range yet on the light. Brian K can give more insight as far as wall dims. I know we left the are that retains the port door pin extended all the way to the front of the receiver in order to add to strength in the front. It would have reduced weight even more, but we left it. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 2:37:14 PM EDT
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Pretty much every rail that I've installed uses the gas system channel to align a rail to the upper (aside from the lightening after the transition it looks pretty standard to me) and not the side wall of the receiver itself. What rails are you using? My only concern there would be the wall thickness in the areas that house the barrel extension. Have you guys done much live fire/full auto testing with them? I get the feeling that most people who will be interested in these will be the 3 gun guys and we all know their guns are going to see a lot more mileage than the average... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We are getting closer folks....
Back from Ano, everything checks out. the upper in these pictures has the bell at the front, but that WILL NOT be on the production model. https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-KPEgDsdlGSs/U1xa65sISKI/AAAAAAAAA5o/kQ_pp6pgezE/w1313-h875-no/IMG_3413.JPG https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-dvU5cRzsUgs/U1xbFz-gN-I/AAAAAAAAA5w/T0HKeSmmv5c/w583-h875-no/IMG_3417.JPG https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-c1wI73axIAE/U1xaqd0V64I/AAAAAAAAA5E/WmmPhM77Mdk/w1313-h875-no/IMG_3418.JPG https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-nOXgbL2kAbE/U1xa7TBltfI/AAAAAAAAA5g/187KLJ6G-l8/w1313-h875-no/IMG_3421.JPG Is the bell the area that's just behind the barrel nut threading? If so, most rail systems incorporate an anti rotation design that interfaces with milspec dimensional specs in that area. If the bell meets milspec dimensional drawings in that part of the upper, I would kindly ask that you leave it there. Wes Pretty much every rail that I've installed uses the gas system channel to align a rail to the upper (aside from the lightening after the transition it looks pretty standard to me) and not the side wall of the receiver itself. What rails are you using? My only concern there would be the wall thickness in the areas that house the barrel extension. Have you guys done much live fire/full auto testing with them? I get the feeling that most people who will be interested in these will be the 3 gun guys and we all know their guns are going to see a lot more mileage than the average... LaRue, Troy, some MI products, Fortis, UTG Pro all come to mind. I am sure there are others out there. Wes |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 2:47:54 PM EDT
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LaRue, Troy, some MI products, Fortis, UTG Pro all come to mind. I am sure there are others out there. Wes Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We are getting closer folks....
Back from Ano, everything checks out. the upper in these pictures has the bell at the front, but that WILL NOT be on the production model. https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-KPEgDsdlGSs/U1xa65sISKI/AAAAAAAAA5o/kQ_pp6pgezE/w1313-h875-no/IMG_3413.JPG https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-dvU5cRzsUgs/U1xbFz-gN-I/AAAAAAAAA5w/T0HKeSmmv5c/w583-h875-no/IMG_3417.JPG https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-c1wI73axIAE/U1xaqd0V64I/AAAAAAAAA5E/WmmPhM77Mdk/w1313-h875-no/IMG_3418.JPG https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-nOXgbL2kAbE/U1xa7TBltfI/AAAAAAAAA5g/187KLJ6G-l8/w1313-h875-no/IMG_3421.JPG Is the bell the area that's just behind the barrel nut threading? If so, most rail systems incorporate an anti rotation design that interfaces with milspec dimensional specs in that area. If the bell meets milspec dimensional drawings in that part of the upper, I would kindly ask that you leave it there. Wes Pretty much every rail that I've installed uses the gas system channel to align a rail to the upper (aside from the lightening after the transition it looks pretty standard to me) and not the side wall of the receiver itself. What rails are you using? My only concern there would be the wall thickness in the areas that house the barrel extension. Have you guys done much live fire/full auto testing with them? I get the feeling that most people who will be interested in these will be the 3 gun guys and we all know their guns are going to see a lot more mileage than the average... LaRue, Troy, some MI products, Fortis, UTG Pro all come to mind. I am sure there are others out there. Wes Daniel Defense too. Wes |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 3:59:57 PM EDT
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It would be nice to see the whole set in a series of photos that sections it in .1" increments. There is an area on a standard A3 upper where the side wall is ~.026" thick between the picatinny root dimensioned sidewall and where the key cutter tool clearance is cut for the charging handle slots. You have pockets that appear to be about .020" deep running right over that ~.026" thick section.
Both are beautiful parts, regardless of the obvious strength and rigidity compromises involved whenever a pre-existing and purpose built part sees substantial material removal in lieu of a substantial material strength upgrade. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 6:29:01 PM EDT
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It would be nice to see the whole set in a series of photos that sections it in .1" increments. There is an area on a standard A3 upper where the side wall is ~.026" thick between the picatinny root dimensioned sidewall and where the key cutter tool clearance is cut for the charging handle slots. You have pockets that appear to be about .020" deep running right over that ~.026" thick section. Both are beautiful parts, regardless of the obvious strength and rigidity compromises involved whenever a pre-existing and purpose built part sees substantial material removal in lieu of a substantial material strength upgrade. I might be able to provide something for ya, I know exactly what you are talking about, we had to interrupt the pocket on the upper in order to keep wall thickness to a decent level. You can see the interrupt towards the back of the upper. We realize this isn't going to be "Mil-Spec" by any stretch of the imagination, but that wasn't what we were after. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 9:54:46 PM EDT
[#32]
How much $$$ for the set?
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Posted: 4/27/2014 10:11:05 PM EDT
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How much $$$ for the set? Calling Dr Evil for a price check. ....
Wes |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:32:00 PM EDT
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End of this month for pricing and availability, just a few days away....
It should be a point and click deal for everyone if all goes well.
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Posted: 4/28/2014 12:09:58 PM EDT
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Does the Fortis rail work on the upper?
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Posted: 4/28/2014 12:13:17 PM EDT
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Does the Fortis rail work on the upper? Every rail for the most part should work on the upper. The pictured upper has a bell that IS NOT PART of the production model. It was a limited run, and a carry over from our standard BALIOS uppers.
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Posted: 4/28/2014 12:34:34 PM EDT
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For the people that are curious about strength and the fact that our upper and lower are light weight. Here are some answers for you. On our Ballios billet lower all working areas are of the unit are as thick or thicker than their forged counterpart. In non functional, non load carrying areas wall thickness was reduced. The thinnest wall section is .050 and is located on the sides of the mag well and trigger group area. On the Ballios Billet upper. The only area that is thinner than the average receiver is the area directly under the picatinny rail which is .015. All other section thickness are as thick or thicker that the average forging. Weight reduction for us is not about compromising strength or performance. Our parts are light because we take the time on the machines to produce parts that maintain a forged shape and uniform wall thickness with material removed in non key areas.
Thank you to all with interest in our new products. We have much more in the works. Brian K |
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Posted: 4/28/2014 6:09:36 PM EDT
[#38]
Got to molest a set today.
 Absolute work of art!
Top notch product by a great group of guys. |
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Posted: 4/28/2014 7:07:22 PM EDT
[#39]
Very Well done! I'm going to get a set when they become available.
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Posted: 4/29/2014 3:30:12 AM EDT
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In for pricing. You guys seem to have done a beautiful job on this.
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Posted: 4/30/2014 5:07:07 PM EDT
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Production is under way. First batch is through OP1
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Posted: 4/30/2014 5:08:27 PM EDT
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Production is under way. First batch is through OP1 https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/t1.0-9/10271515_731018613585637_9058952840732766488_n.jpg
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Posted: 4/30/2014 6:17:32 PM EDT
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In the meantime, Brownells is having a blowout on the Mag Tactical lowers. I'm not a huge fan of them, but they're better than poly and just as light.
I'd go with one of these over the Mag, if I had to choose only one though. MAG Tactical magnesium lowers for $79.99 |
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Posted: 4/30/2014 7:09:33 PM EDT
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It's the end of the month...
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Posted: 4/30/2014 7:55:23 PM EDT
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It's the end of the month... Literally waiting on a web link to be finalized and propagate.
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Posted: 4/30/2014 8:16:55 PM EDT
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I am looking at a brownells order cart with the 5.8oz mag tech lower in the cart right now....some idea on your pricing would be really helpful.
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Posted: 4/30/2014 8:38:42 PM EDT
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I am looking at a brownells order cart with the 5.8oz mag tech lower in the cart right now....some idea on your pricing would be really helpful. Wes I am not affiliated with A2 Armament and not going to be suggesting pricing but I would think it will be substantially more than Lanbos $55 or Brownells $80 pricing for the Mag Tactical lower. Having said that I have tried the Mag Tactical upper and lowers and I was not impressed with the fit or finish. Mine were sold and went back to using a Mega. The Balios is going to be in a whole class to itself as far as quality compared to Mag Tactical. If you are looking for lightweight budget build purchase the Mag Tactical. I am going to purchase a Balios lite set. |
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Posted: 4/30/2014 9:12:41 PM EDT
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I am looking at a brownells order cart with the 5.8oz mag tech lower in the cart right now....some idea on your pricing would be really helpful. Wes Did you read the reviews? |
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Posted: 4/30/2014 9:29:36 PM EDT
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Moving to a new thread....http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/645556_MagTac_vs_in_production_but_not_available_yet_2A_Armament_BALIOS_Lite.html
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Posted: 4/30/2014 11:08:36 PM EDT
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Ok, It looks like Friday or Saturday will be the official day to get a clickable purchase. I know I said "end of month" and I am going to miss that by a couple days.
I will accept all flack from that. 
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