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I looked at the ups charge in my response, if I wronged you I apologize, I have not been back to look for other options.
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USPS on our system is $7.30 to you. Select Other carrier and then select USPS whichever service you prefer. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I'm seeing $7.30 for priority mail to Wa. state. Only options that showed available to Alaska were UPS ground which was almost $37, 2 day and overnight I would gladly pay the $7.30 for priority mail and FWIW it cost the same to ship priority flat rate to Alaska as it is to ship to anywhere else in the US <a href="http://s824.photobucket.com/user/uafgrad/media/20140409_101643_zpssb63bdd1.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz168/uafgrad/20140409_101643_zpssb63bdd1.jpg</a> USPS on our system is $7.30 to you. Select Other carrier and then select USPS whichever service you prefer. Thank you for correcting my error one ordered today via USPS |
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are you an FFL? I would love to have a pistol refinished in this
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So how is Obsidian different from true Nickel Boron Coating (Not the cheap Nickel Boron Nitride)? It has a similar Coefficient of Friction (Depending on source of Nickel Boron coating there are ratings as low as .04 vs your stated .06). Similar Build up rate (Nickel Boron BCG has a build up of .0003 vs your stated .0005), Rating of hardness (Nickel Boron has RC68 - RC72 with the better companies as-plated over RC70), Nickel Boron is very easy to clean just like you're stating for Obsidian, Resists carbon build up and can be just "wiped down" like you're stating for Obsidian, Capable of being run without lubrication similar to what you state for Obsidian and has a "Lifetime Warranty" just like your stating for Obsidian. So is this a new coating that is in "Competition with Nickel Boron" or is it another company competing in the "Nickel Boron Application Process". Just curious? Not trying to be a jerk about it, the bolts look great either way, just trying to figure out what your selling - A brand or a new coating and if a new coating how is it different from existing tried and true coatings on the market? View Quote Obsidian, Nickel-Teflon, Nickel-Boron are all electro-less nickel based coatings. So if you are asking if we are in a comparable coating class then your answer is yes. If you asking if we are re-branding Nickel-Boron under our own name then your answer is no. We developed Obsidian to improve upon even our own Nickel based coatings. The largest change, that is most noticeable to the user familiar with nickel coated BCGs, is certainly the appearance. Obsidian is a dark graphite color, not a bright shiny chrome-like color. This may not seem like much to you, but many shooters prefer a more subdued appearance, or shine signature. The secondary advantage to this color change is the lack of the discoloration associated with nickel based coatings. |
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are you an FFL? I would love to have a pistol refinished in this View Quote We are an FFL07 yes, we are still only entertaining taking customers used products in for application. We are only really set up to handle new materials, as doing used - already coated or treated - materials opens up a very large, angry, can of worms. |
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We are an FFL07 yes, we are still only entertaining taking customers used products in for application. We are only really set up to handle new materials, as doing used - already coated or treated - materials opens up a very large, angry, can of worms. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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are you an FFL? I would love to have a pistol refinished in this We are an FFL07 yes, we are still only entertaining taking customers used products in for application. We are only really set up to handle new materials, as doing used - already coated or treated - materials opens up a very large, angry, can of worms. well, I will just play the waiting game then I have an all stainless Sig P226SL that would look awesome with this |
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Received mine today and although I have not shot it as of yet this appears to be a very well made piece of hardware. I'm impressed with the fit and finish of this product. It fits in my rifle perfectly and cycles very smoothly, no noticeable slop or play. Staking on the gas key is excellent. I can't wait to get this out and shoot the bejesus out of it.
A couple of other things to note, TR Enabling shipped this out within 90 minutes of my placing the order. Maybe that was just luck, but cool none the less. Another cool item is that some XF-7 was included with the bcg, I'll be trying this out as well. I'll update this after I get some rounds through it. |
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1) Is the bolt shot peened, HPT & MPI tested? 2) The only thing I know about teflon is my wife goes nuts if I use any metal on a non-stick pan. Needs to be wood or teflon otherwise you can scrape the teflon off. With a thickness of .0005”, and a lot of metal on metal rubbing, how does the coating not wear off? 3) Lastly, can you talk a little about the break in process you mention. What exactly needs to be broken in during the first 500 rounds? I understand all BCG's will create wear patterns on the upper receiver, is this what you mean by the break in process and why you recommend the grease? It was this thought process that brought me to the concern in #2. As someone who lives in Hawaii, I want to thank you for the USPS option, you have no idea how many businesses have lost a customer due to only having UPS ground or more expensive options. |
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Couple questions: 1) Is the bolt shot peened, HPT & MPI tested? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Bolt is MPI and batch HPT, and shot-peened. 2) The only thing I know about teflon is my wife goes nuts if I use any metal on a non-stick pan. Needs to be wood or teflon otherwise you can scrape the teflon off. With a thickness of .0005”, and a lot of metal on metal rubbing, how does the coating not wear off? It is not simply a Teflon coating. It is a Hardened Nickel coating with Teflon impregnation. 3) Lastly, can you talk a little about the break in process you mention. What exactly needs to be broken in during the first 500 rounds? I understand all BCG's will create wear patterns on the upper receiver, is this what you mean by the break in process and why you recommend the grease? It was this thought process that brought me to the concern in #2. We recommend a minimum of 200 round break-in. During this time you simply need to maintain decent lubrication and cleanliness (wipe, re-lube every 50 rnds or so) We ship the BCGs with a coating of XF-7 and a sample supply to reapply as necessary. When this grease is applied properly it is almost undetectable. It is not like applying grease to a wheel bearing. Simply apply the grease and wipe with a rag. A thin film remains and is all that is required for break-in or operation. The grease is not a requirement, any weapons grade lubricant will suffice, it is only our recommended lubrication for break-in and operation. As someone who lives in Hawaii, I want to thank you for the USPS option, you have no idea how many businesses have lost a customer due to only having UPS ground or more expensive options. No problem, it is certainly the most cost effective means to get from one coast to the other. |
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For those of you who ordered using USPS:
For some reason the local sort facility scanned the packages incorrectly, the tracking numbers you received in your confirmation emails are correct, even if they indicate a strange location (Ludlow, MA - our local facility). Once they are scanned by your local facility you will see the correct data. We have been tracking them and most have already made it to the local offices. USPS |
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For those of you who ordered using USPS: For some reason the local sort facility scanned the packages incorrectly, the tracking numbers you received in your confirmation emails are correct, even if they indicate a strange location (Ludlow, MA - our local facility). Once they are scanned by your local facility you will see the correct data. We have been tracking them and most have already made it to the local offices. USPS View Quote My tracking said Out for Delivery Ludlow, MA for two days, and then BAM it was in my mail box in mich. Also i asked on your facebook page and didn't get a response,if you were going to offer the XF-7 you sent us with the BCG on your site,or should we just get it from Don at the XF-7 place? And the Obsidian looks much much better holding it in you hand than looking at pic's of it. |
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The guide rails of the carrier have even been hand polished, as well as the mouth of the gas key. View Quote I just got mine today! However, upon close inspection it appears that the finish has been removed in the above mentioned "hand polished" areas. Those areas appear bright silver like unfinished steel, while the rest of the BCG is that beautiful dark obsidian color. This concerns me a little bit because those areas are crucial friction points and without the obsidian finish they would not have the benifit of the lubricity which makes this finish superior. It seems to me that if the finish was indeed removed during polishing at these crucial friction points, then the cycling of the entire BCG would not be any smoother (due to the lubricity of obsidian) than a phosphate BCG. I mean, doesn't it kind of defeat the purpose of using a coating of superior lubricity if it's not present in the crucial friction points? |
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I just got mine today! However, upon close inspection it appears that the finish has been removed in the above mentioned "hand polished" areas. Those areas appear bright silver like unfinished steel, while the rest of the BCG is that beautiful dark obsidian color. This concerns me a little bit because those areas are crucial friction points and without the obsidian finish they would not have the benifit of the lubricity which makes this finish superior. It seems to me that if the finish was indeed removed during polishing at these crucial friction points, then the cycling of the entire BCG would not be any smoother (due to the lubricity of obsidian) than a phosphate BCG. I mean, doesn't it kind of defeat the purpose of using a coating of superior lubricity if it's not present in the crucial friction points? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The guide rails of the carrier have even been hand polished, as well as the mouth of the gas key. I just got mine today! However, upon close inspection it appears that the finish has been removed in the above mentioned "hand polished" areas. Those areas appear bright silver like unfinished steel, while the rest of the BCG is that beautiful dark obsidian color. This concerns me a little bit because those areas are crucial friction points and without the obsidian finish they would not have the benifit of the lubricity which makes this finish superior. It seems to me that if the finish was indeed removed during polishing at these crucial friction points, then the cycling of the entire BCG would not be any smoother (due to the lubricity of obsidian) than a phosphate BCG. I mean, doesn't it kind of defeat the purpose of using a coating of superior lubricity if it's not present in the crucial friction points? Obsidian polishes similarly to our other nickel coatings, to a bright shine. The polished areas are not base material. They are still obsidian only polished to a bright finish. |
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My tracking said Out for Delivery Ludlow, MA for two days, and then BAM it was in my mail box in mich. Also i asked on your facebook page and didn't get a response,if you were going to offer the XF-7 you sent us with the BCG on your site,or should we just get it from Don at the XF-7 place? And the Obsidian looks much much better holding it in you hand than looking at pic's of it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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For those of you who ordered using USPS: For some reason the local sort facility scanned the packages incorrectly, the tracking numbers you received in your confirmation emails are correct, even if they indicate a strange location (Ludlow, MA - our local facility). Once they are scanned by your local facility you will see the correct data. We have been tracking them and most have already made it to the local offices. USPS My tracking said Out for Delivery Ludlow, MA for two days, and then BAM it was in my mail box in mich. Also i asked on your facebook page and didn't get a response,if you were going to offer the XF-7 you sent us with the BCG on your site,or should we just get it from Don at the XF-7 place? And the Obsidian looks much much better holding it in you hand than looking at pic's of it. The XF-7 will be available in our preferred form (liquid spray) and in grease form on our site very soon. |
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Wait...why is this bolt not shot peened? That is an integral step in the proper manufacture of a bolt.
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Wait...why is this bolt not shot peened? That is an integral step in the proper manufacture of a bolt. View Quote You are correct, The bolts are Indeed shot-peened. Full specs for the Bolt: Carpenter 158 (Heat treated to spec, Shot-peened) M-16 Extractor (buffer, HD spring, O-ring) MPI HP Batch tested. |
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You are correct, The bolts are Indeed shot-peened. Full specs for the Bolt: Carpenter 158 (Heat treated to spec, Shot-peened) M-16 Extractor (buffer, HD spring, O-ring) MPI HP Batch tested. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Wait...why is this bolt not shot peened? That is an integral step in the proper manufacture of a bolt. You are correct, The bolts are Indeed shot-peened. Full specs for the Bolt: Carpenter 158 (Heat treated to spec, Shot-peened) M-16 Extractor (buffer, HD spring, O-ring) MPI HP Batch tested. Okay. Good deal. I wondered how on earth that step had been skipped. |
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Okay. Good deal. I wondered how on earth that step had been skipped. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Wait...why is this bolt not shot peened? That is an integral step in the proper manufacture of a bolt. You are correct, The bolts are Indeed shot-peened. Full specs for the Bolt: Carpenter 158 (Heat treated to spec, Shot-peened) M-16 Extractor (buffer, HD spring, O-ring) MPI HP Batch tested. Okay. Good deal. I wondered how on earth that step had been skipped. More like the step where the post is proofed got skipped |
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More like the step where the post is proofed got skipped View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Wait...why is this bolt not shot peened? That is an integral step in the proper manufacture of a bolt. You are correct, The bolts are Indeed shot-peened. Full specs for the Bolt: Carpenter 158 (Heat treated to spec, Shot-peened) M-16 Extractor (buffer, HD spring, O-ring) MPI HP Batch tested. Okay. Good deal. I wondered how on earth that step had been skipped. More like the step where the post is proofed got skipped Fair enough! So, is this finish porous like hard chrome? It is very thin. How does it do regarding corrosion resistance? I know that Robert Silvers had a nickel base-layer done on all of his NiB BCG's for the 300BLK project at AAC because NiB isn't the best in such super thin layers at preventing corrosion. How does Obsidian do with this, as it is a VERY thin layer, it seems. Also, the microscopic structure, is it spherical or columnar? NiB is columnar and that is why it "holds" fouling and changes color. It also means that the lower CoF of NiB is mostly a result of these "peaks" only touching the other objects, hence less surface area = less friction. As it wears or is polished, these peaks wear down and more and more surface interaction occurs. |
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The coating is not porous, it is more similar to NiB than Hard Chrome.
Test panels endured an accelerated time "Salt Frog" test and endured over 300 hours with no sign of corrosion. Nickel-Boron and our Obsidian, which is a Nickel based product as well, have many similar characteristics. However, Obsidian is not susceptible to the discoloration or staining that the NiB products experience. The extremely low CoF is derived partially from the peaks that you mentioned. However, we have not experienced a significant reduction in this performance when measured after use (and abuse ). A large portion of our reduced Cof comes from the infusion of Teflon throughout the entirety of the coating. We are able to infuse Teflon from he surface to the substrate, ensuring a measurable decrease in CoF throughout the lifetime of the coating. |
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The coating is not porous, it is more similar to NiB than Hard Chrome. Test panels endured an accelerated time "Salt Frog" test and endured over 300 hours with no sign of corrosion. Nickel-Boron and our Obsidian, which is a Nickel based product as well, have many similar characteristics. However, Obsidian is not susceptible to the discoloration or staining that the NiB products experience. The extremely low CoF is derived partially from the peaks that you mentioned. However, we have not experienced a significant reduction in this performance when measured after use (and abuse ). A large portion of our reduced Cof comes from the infusion of Teflon throughout the entirety of the coating. We are able to infuse Teflon from he surface to the substrate, ensuring a measurable decrease in CoF throughout the lifetime of the coating. View Quote How does surface adhesion compare with NiB? I'm pretty set on running a Milspec bolt, but the carrier and cam pin are very interesting to me. A ' la carte option? |
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How does surface adhesion compare with NiB? I'm pretty set on running a Milspec bolt, but the carrier and cam pin are very interesting to me. A ' la carte option? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The coating is not porous, it is more similar to NiB than Hard Chrome. Test panels endured an accelerated time "Salt Frog" test and endured over 300 hours with no sign of corrosion. Nickel-Boron and our Obsidian, which is a Nickel based product as well, have many similar characteristics. However, Obsidian is not susceptible to the discoloration or staining that the NiB products experience. The extremely low CoF is derived partially from the peaks that you mentioned. However, we have not experienced a significant reduction in this performance when measured after use (and abuse ). A large portion of our reduced Cof comes from the infusion of Teflon throughout the entirety of the coating. We are able to infuse Teflon from he surface to the substrate, ensuring a measurable decrease in CoF throughout the lifetime of the coating. How does surface adhesion compare with NiB? I'm pretty set on running a Milspec bolt, but the carrier and cam pin are very interesting to me. A ' la carte option? Just curious, but why would you desire to run the same exact bolt that we use with an inferior coating and gas ring design? We may have the individual components available on the site soon. We are working to have all of our items listed individually (LPK components etc) |
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Just curious, but why would you desire to run the same exact bolt that we use with an inferior coating and gas ring design? We may have the individual components available on the site soon. We are working to have all of our items listed individually (LPK components etc) View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The coating is not porous, it is more similar to NiB than Hard Chrome. Test panels endured an accelerated time "Salt Frog" test and endured over 300 hours with no sign of corrosion. Nickel-Boron and our Obsidian, which is a Nickel based product as well, have many similar characteristics. However, Obsidian is not susceptible to the discoloration or staining that the NiB products experience. The extremely low CoF is derived partially from the peaks that you mentioned. However, we have not experienced a significant reduction in this performance when measured after use (and abuse ). A large portion of our reduced Cof comes from the infusion of Teflon throughout the entirety of the coating. We are able to infuse Teflon from he surface to the substrate, ensuring a measurable decrease in CoF throughout the lifetime of the coating. How does surface adhesion compare with NiB? I'm pretty set on running a Milspec bolt, but the carrier and cam pin are very interesting to me. A ' la carte option? Just curious, but why would you desire to run the same exact bolt that we use with an inferior coating and gas ring design? We may have the individual components available on the site soon. We are working to have all of our items listed individually (LPK components etc) -CRANE used to spec the McFarland gas-ring for the MK18, but no-longer does. Diminishing returns and all that. Further, I have seen a large variance in the McFarland style ring's dimensions, and some have caused plenty of issues. I have had no issue with standard gas-rings over thousands and thousands of rounds. They are proven to work fine. I have never heard of Mil-spec gas-rings being the cause of an issue. -The mil-spec bolt is a specific hardness. So is the barrel-extension. The mil-spec bolt is also a specific dimension (0.250" at the tail, and numerous other dimensions). Further, with some coatings hydrogen embrittlement can be an issue. This is why Robert Silvers did not spec NiB for his bolts on the no-expenses-spared AAC BCG's (he did a bunch of other expensive stuff with them to the point that it cannot be argued that not coating the bolt was a "cost saving measure"). I do not know the long-term effects of the bolt being nearly 20 points harder on the RC scale than is spec'ed in the TDP on the barrel extension. It may matter, it may not, but the mil-spec bolt is proven to work just fine. -The mil-spec cam pin is prone to deformation and this creates slack in the system. You can replace it periodically, of you can use a coating like yours. It just cycles smoother with a perfectly round pin vs. one that is peened and deformed. -The carrier is a pretty no-brainer item if dimensionally correct. The slicker the carrier slides in the upper, the better. This is wholly a component of how smooth the 4 contact skids and the sides of the gas-key are. Yours is polished and the coating is slick. I can see zero downside provided they are dimensionally correct and the smoother ID of the carrier will further benefit gas-ring seal and longevity, although likely trivially, compared to a quality smooth hard chrome carrier. Those are my reasons and rationale. |
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Any chance you are going to do M-16 trigger groups in this as well? I would like it if you did a flash hider coated in this to torture test, There are some new parts i am looking to order that would look great with this on it.
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We are an FFL07 yes, we are still only entertaining taking customers used products in for application. We are only really set up to handle new materials, as doing used - already coated or treated - materials opens up a very large, angry, can of worms. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So this new coating is only for the carrier, not the bolt? (from the look of the photos) Coated components include: -Carrier -Gas Key -Bolt -Extractor -Cam Pin Why not the firing pin? |
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Who does the chrome plating of your hard chrome carriers? Is it industrial hard chrome, or thin dense chrome?
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So this new coating is only for the carrier, not the bolt? (from the look of the photos) Coated components include: -Carrier -Gas Key -Bolt -Extractor -Cam Pin Why not the firing pin? We are currently field testing a sample with the firing pin coated. |
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http://youtu.be/fA7sx6x_0EE Hear it from another... Mr Guns, look forward to your review as well. View Quote It's finally up |
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Will these be available for sale as a bolt carrier only? I have a matched bolt to my barrel.
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Obsidian V2 Carriers In Stock and On Sale for Labor Day! $185.00
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How often do you have blems for sale ? View Quote We some available currently. Blemished Carriers |
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How often do you have blems for sale ? We some available currently. Blemished Carriers Says out of stock. I could have used one too. ETA: And I second the question above. What's the difference with the V2? |
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What's different in the V2? +1 |
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Can we please get an answer on what is different with the V2? A simple "that's proprietary" will suffice.
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