The availability of cleaning kits, useful maint manuals in Vietnam 65-74 M16 rifles

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Posted: 5/29/2016 12:39:23 AM EDT

This picture speaks volumes about the availability of cleaning kits in Vietnam. LSA, shave brush, various toothbrushes, screwdriver and a type of combination wrench. Also notice the extent of disassembly. This was not permitted as operator level maintenance as manuals were distributed. Also this is after the Into of the new buffer that replaced the edgewater. That shaving brush is worthless and notice the lack of chamber and bore brushes. Basically the chamber and bore got no effective cleaning. This led to rusty corroded chambers which would make extraction a bitch. Also cause sheared rims. They really had no idea on proper maintenance of the M16A1/XM16E1 rifle. Basically this field level complete disassembly did nothing to really clean the weapon. A real waste of time didn't effectivly clean the rifle and there was a huge risk to lose critical parts. Took the Army till 1970 to publish an OK maintenance manual. To open the 74 manual you may have to download I had to break it into two parts to scan it. You can download all if you want for reference.

Here is the 1965 manual in which the rifles are shown completely disassembled without any mention of proper maintenance.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9hAva_yxlzPV0xwal9Eem5TRTg

In 1966 Manual 2
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9hAva_yxlzPaFVST2hPS0s1VXM
August 1966 XM16E1/XM148 GL manual
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9hAva_yxlzPOUJkVGpBR21nckk

1968 Operators and Orgsnizational Maintenance Manual
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9hAva_yxlzPSFZPc2IwbDY3MzQ

1970 M16A1 Operators manual. Vast improvement in cleaning maintenance
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9hAva_yxlzPVFdMejVHVnVlazg

Finally 1974 some good information on cleaning and marksmanship but bassically the war was over for US forces.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9hAva_yxlzPdlpuamJiSm5hS28

1974 Manual part 2.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9hAva_yxlzPcFlwWXpUdF94ZTQ

1969 this PS Magazine came out way to late and I'm sure most troops had figured it out by then.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9hAva_yxlzPbUMzNG5WOEo0V3M

Posted: 5/29/2016 8:52:23 AM EDT

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Very useful. Thanks

Posted: 5/29/2016 10:01:53 AM EDT

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Yw yah I put a lot of work into that. I know it took me years to put it together. Hate to think of my retro brothers having to pay for something that should be free. Esp manuals that should be preserved. It's history and the pages will get brittle and turn to dust and be long lost. I feel we should preserve the documents in quality form for future generations. When these manuals were reproduced they didn't have the ability to make quality reproductions. A lot are lost forever. Such a shame. Electrons don't ever disappear! Love PDFs! Great for reading on my iPad!

Posted: 5/29/2016 10:24:53 AM EDT

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Brovet! You rock. Thank you for your work on the manuals. The earliest I have is the one with the XM148 grenade launcher. I have an original of the 1969 comic book, but it is getting worn. Color printer at work here I come!

Thanks again

Posted: 5/29/2016 10:28:41 AM EDT

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Thank you for putting that out for us. Very interesting bit of history that I didn't know that much detail about. Good job!

Posted: 5/29/2016 10:46:20 AM EDT

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Brovet! You rock. Thank you for your work on the manuals. The earliest I have is the one with the XM148 grenade launcher. I have an original of the 1969 comic book, but it is getting worn. Color printer at work here I come!

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You old men in here you really need to purchase a quality tablet lol Bernie that's you. By the time you get those printed with the cost of color ink you could have bought a used/open box display model iPad from Best Buy. Also the the technology today you can read them anywhere. Yes I have backups but my manuals are in the clouds lol. That's why I want your E1! DRAFT. I have tried to explain technology to my parents. Seems like a lost cause some times lol. They just don't get it haha. My dad finally got a Samsung smart phone, just couldn't let go of the flip phone lol. Both my mom and dad are 77 years old. Lol check this link out. You can get them cheaper in the store. I have this model.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/apple-ipad-air-2-wi-fi-64gb-silver/3313016.p?id=1219090214674&skuId=3313016

Posted: 5/29/2016 2:47:03 PM EDT

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That's interesting how in the first manual it shows the xm16e1 with a duckbill.

Posted: 5/29/2016 2:52:07 PM EDT

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It was expensive to hire someone to professionally illustrate and photograph for manuals. Those pics are 601s and an artist modified the pics by drawing the changes over them. If you look you can tell. The forward assists look drawn as well as the stock in some illustrations. As well as the forward assist notches in the bolt carrier.
Look at this picture from the 1966 XM16E1 manual. That lower is not an XM16E1. Some of you will pick it up real quick. It's a 607! See the stock pin.

Posted: 5/29/2016 3:02:49 PM EDT

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It was expensive to hire someone to professionally illustrate and photograph for manuals. Those pics are 601s and an artist modified the pics by drawing the changes over them. If you look you can tell. The forward assists look drawn as well as the stock in some illustrations. As well as the forward assist notches in the bolt carrier.
Look at this picture from the 1966 XM16E1 manual. That lower is not an XM16E1. Some of you will pick it up real quick.

<a href="http://s268.photobucket.com/user/tom051876/media/2016-05/B55A8F64-B694-49D4-B7B5-7071AF7CEE17_zpsipe2arhj.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj19/tom051876/2016-05/B55A8F64-B694-49D4-B7B5-7071AF7CEE17_zpsipe2arhj.jpeg</a>

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That's interesting how in the first manual it shows the xm16e1 with a duckbill.

It was expensive to hire someone to professionally illustrate and photograph for manuals. Those pics are 601s and an artist modified the pics by drawing the changes over them. If you look you can tell. The forward assists look drawn as well as the stock in some illustrations. As well as the forward assist notches in the bolt carrier.
Look at this picture from the 1966 XM16E1 manual. That lower is not an XM16E1. Some of you will pick it up real quick.

<a href="http://s268.photobucket.com/user/tom051876/media/2016-05/B55A8F64-B694-49D4-B7B5-7071AF7CEE17_zpsipe2arhj.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj19/tom051876/2016-05/B55A8F64-B694-49D4-B7B5-7071AF7CEE17_zpsipe2arhj.jpeg</a>

Very interesting thanks for pointing that out! I can totally see the drawn on parts now. You can see in some pics how the bolt has forward assist serations and in some it doesnt. Several other things like that.

Posted: 5/29/2016 3:05:37 PM EDT

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Also, I have an 11-72 dated sp1 manual. Is that something you guys would be interesting in for me to turn it into a pdf?

Posted: 5/29/2016 3:08:58 PM EDT

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Please do I'd love to have it!

Posted: 5/29/2016 3:21:15 PM EDT

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I will work on making it into a pdf and email it to you.

Posted: 5/29/2016 3:23:29 PM EDT

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Thanks I'll host it for everyone!

Posted: 5/29/2016 3:38:11 PM EDT

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Not that some other problem might not have happened at some point, but I am convinced almost all of the Vietnam issues trace to two root causes. First was that some were told that the rifles did not require lubrication and/or were specifically directed not to lubricate. Today we know from experience that an AR15 based rifle will shoot almost indefinitely without traditional cleaning, as long as lubrication is maintained.

Most critically, that a significant number of rifles had incorrectly cut chambers. Extraction problems, case head separations and similar malfunctions were not mitigated by the chrome lined barrels, if anything they seemed to become more prevalent. "Bad" rifles persistently malfunctioned regardless of what was done to maintain them. No maintenance short of putting a reamer into the chamber would fix a rifle with an undersized, probably incorrectly tapered chamber.

Posted: 5/29/2016 4:40:18 PM EDT

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Not that some other problem might not have happened at some point, but I am convinced almost all of the Vietnam issues trace to two root causes. First was that some were told that the rifles did not require lubrication and/or were specifically directed not to lubricate. Today we know from experience that an AR15 based rifle will shoot almost indefinitely without traditional cleaning, as long as lubrication is maintained.

Most critically, that a significant number of rifles had incorrectly cut chambers. Extraction problems, case head separations and similar malfunctions were not mitigated by the chrome lined barrels, if anything they seemed to become more prevalent. "Bad" rifles persistently malfunctioned regardless of what was done to maintain them. No maintenance short of putting a reamer into the chamber would fix a rifle with an undersized, probably incorrectly tapered chamber.

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Well from my experience in the arid environment of Iraq during combat patrols daily cleaning was required. Dust port closed and mag inserted always to prevent dust and dirt from entering the chamber. Lubrication was needed daily but not excessive as the lube would gum up with the dust and dirt. Ammunition cleaned daily. Not lubricated. Ammo needed to be whipped off every day. Never had one jam and in plenty of engagements. I carried a traditional M16A2 in Ramadi Iraq in 2003-2004.
That PG7 and a few other had me and my trucks crews name on it. Didn't turn out too good for the bad guys. They don't like the BMG. Always round in the chamber weapon on safe outside the wire. It's your life. You don't take care of it. Well it won't be there for you when you need it. I took care of my baby and she took care of me. We came home together in one peice. I always cleaned out the chamber and the bore with a chamber brush and bore brush. Then lightly lube. Patch and whipe out the excess. Also used the shoot through plastic muzzle caps. Kept debris out the muzzle. Get in a gunfight just shoot through it. My baby hurt some people trying to mess with me.

Posted: 5/29/2016 6:55:30 PM EDT

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This picture speaks volumes about the availability of cleaning kits in Vietnam. LSA, shave brush, various toothbrushes, screwdriver and a type of combination wrench. Also notice the extent of disassembly. This was not permitted as operator level maintenance as manuals were distributed. Also this is after the Into of the new buffer that replaced the edgewater. That shaving brush is worthless and notice the lack of chamber and bore brushes. Basically the chamber and bore got no effective cleaning. This led to rusty corroded chambers which would make extraction a bitch. Also cause sheared rims. They really had no idea on proper maintenance of the M16A1/XM16E1 rifle. Basically this field level complete disassembly did nothing to really clean the weapon. A real waste of time didn't effectivly clean the rifle and there was a huge risk to lose critical parts. Took the Army till 1970 to publish an OK maintenance manual. To open the 74 manual you may have to download I had to break it into two parts to scan it. You can download all if you want for reference.

<a href="http://s268.photobucket.com/user/tom051876/media/2016-05/BBEA22EC-7AE0-48A6-8431-026F03ACC1DE_zps3zhqe670.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj19/tom051876/2016-05/BBEA22EC-7AE0-48A6-8431-026F03ACC1DE_zps3zhqe670.jpeg</a>

Here is the 1965 manual in which the rifles are shown completely disassembled without any mention of proper maintenance.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9hAva_yxlzPV0xwal9Eem5TRTg

In 1966 Manual 2
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9hAva_yxlzPaFVST2hPS0s1VXM
August 1966 XM16E1/XM148 GL manual
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9hAva_yxlzPOUJkVGpBR21nckk

1968 Operators and Orgsnizational Maintenance Manual
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9hAva_yxlzPSFZPc2IwbDY3MzQ

1970 M16A1 Operators manual. Vast improvement in cleaning maintenance
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9hAva_yxlzPVFdMejVHVnVlazg

Finally 1974 some good information on cleaning and marksmanship but bassically the war was over for US forces.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9hAva_yxlzPdlpuamJiSm5hS28

1974 Manual part 2.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9hAva_yxlzPcFlwWXpUdF94ZTQ

1969 this PS Magazine came out way to late and I'm sure most troops had figured it out by then.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9hAva_yxlzPbUMzNG5WOEo0V3M

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Thank you for posting these. The progression of change for lubrication and cleaning standards is fascinating. Do you know the context or time frame for the photo?

Two comments from the olden days:

You mentioned later about keeping the ejection port closed. It was continually harped upon, to the point it became an automatic response, for us to keep the ejection port cover closed. I still do this reflexively forty-odd years later.

We were taught that the best way to lay down an even film of lubricant was to use a shaving brush. We were required to purchase one (they were not an item of issue), keep it in our cleaning pouch and produce it upon demand. I still use one for this purpose even today.

Posted: 5/29/2016 7:31:04 PM EDT

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You old men in here you really need to purchase a quality tablet lol Bernie that's you. By the time you get those printed with the cost of color ink you could have bought a used/open box display model iPad from Best Buy. Also the the technology today you can read them anywhere. Yes I have backups but my manuals are in the clouds lol. That's why I want your E1! DRAFT. I have tried to explain technology to my parents. Seems like a lost cause some times lol. They just don't get it haha. My dad finally got a Samsung smart phone, just couldn't let go of the flip phone lol. Both my mom and dad are 77 years old. Lol check this link out. You can get them cheaper in the store. I have this model.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/apple-ipad-air-2-wi-fi-64gb-silver/3313016.p?id=1219090214674&skuId=3313016

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Brovet! You rock. Thank you for your work on the manuals. The earliest I have is the one with the XM148 grenade launcher. I have an original of the 1969 comic book, but it is getting worn. Color printer at work here I come!

Thanks again

You old men in here you really need to purchase a quality tablet lol Bernie that's you. By the time you get those printed with the cost of color ink you could have bought a used/open box display model iPad from Best Buy. Also the the technology today you can read them anywhere. Yes I have backups but my manuals are in the clouds lol. That's why I want your E1! DRAFT. I have tried to explain technology to my parents. Seems like a lost cause some times lol. They just don't get it haha. My dad finally got a Samsung smart phone, just couldn't let go of the flip phone lol. Both my mom and dad are 77 years old. Lol check this link out. You can get them cheaper in the store. I have this model.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/apple-ipad-air-2-wi-fi-64gb-silver/3313016.p?id=1219090214674&skuId=3313016

Hahaha I have a Macbook Air, Ipad Air, and an I Phone 6S+.. I have everything digitally (including Black Rifle on and Black Rifle II) in PDFs and JPG for manuals. I am just old school and loke to turn the pages.

Posted: 5/29/2016 7:33:36 PM EDT

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Well from my experience in the arid environment of Iraq during combat patrols daily cleaning was required. Dust port closed and mag inserted always to prevent dust and dirt from entering the chamber. Lubrication was needed daily but not excessive as the lube would gum up with the dust and dirt. Ammunition cleaned daily. Not lubricated. Ammo needed to be whipped off every day. Never had one jam and in plenty of engagements. I carried a traditional M16A2 in Ramadi Iraq in 2003-2004.
That PG7 and a few other had me and my trucks crews name on it. Didn't turn out do good for the bad guys. They don't like the BMG. Always round in the chamber weapon on safe outside the wire. It's your life. You don't take of it. Well it won't be there for you when you need it. I took care of my baby and she took care of me. We came home together in one peice. I always cleaned out the chamber and the bore with a chamber brush and bore brush. Then lightly lube. Patch and whipe out the excess. Also used the shoot through plastic muzzle caps. Kept debris out the muzzle. Get in a gunfight just shoot through it. My baby hurt some people trying to mess with me.
<a href="http://s268.photobucket.com/user/tom051876/media/2016-05/3CD060C3-38CD-418C-A126-44035D61C609_zps4qgtyysk.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj19/tom051876/2016-05/3CD060C3-38CD-418C-A126-44035D61C609_zps4qgtyysk.jpeg</a>

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Not that some other problem might not have happened at some point, but I am convinced almost all of the Vietnam issues trace to two root causes. First was that some were told that the rifles did not require lubrication and/or were specifically directed not to lubricate. Today we know from experience that an AR15 based rifle will shoot almost indefinitely without traditional cleaning, as long as lubrication is maintained.

Most critically, that a significant number of rifles had incorrectly cut chambers. Extraction problems, case head separations and similar malfunctions were not mitigated by the chrome lined barrels, if anything they seemed to become more prevalent. "Bad" rifles persistently malfunctioned regardless of what was done to maintain them. No maintenance short of putting a reamer into the chamber would fix a rifle with an undersized, probably incorrectly tapered chamber.

Well from my experience in the arid environment of Iraq during combat patrols daily cleaning was required. Dust port closed and mag inserted always to prevent dust and dirt from entering the chamber. Lubrication was needed daily but not excessive as the lube would gum up with the dust and dirt. Ammunition cleaned daily. Not lubricated. Ammo needed to be whipped off every day. Never had one jam and in plenty of engagements. I carried a traditional M16A2 in Ramadi Iraq in 2003-2004.
That PG7 and a few other had me and my trucks crews name on it. Didn't turn out do good for the bad guys. They don't like the BMG. Always round in the chamber weapon on safe outside the wire. It's your life. You don't take of it. Well it won't be there for you when you need it. I took care of my baby and she took care of me. We came home together in one peice. I always cleaned out the chamber and the bore with a chamber brush and bore brush. Then lightly lube. Patch and whipe out the excess. Also used the shoot through plastic muzzle caps. Kept debris out the muzzle. Get in a gunfight just shoot through it. My baby hurt some people trying to mess with me.
<a href="http://s268.photobucket.com/user/tom051876/media/2016-05/3CD060C3-38CD-418C-A126-44035D61C609_zps4qgtyysk.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj19/tom051876/2016-05/3CD060C3-38CD-418C-A126-44035D61C609_zps4qgtyysk.jpeg</a>

Thank you for your service.

Posted: 5/29/2016 8:20:41 PM EDT

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Wrench is from the "PIG", M60 machine gun. Loose it an you might have a heavy single shot.

Posted: 5/29/2016 9:07:28 PM EDT

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Hahaha I have a Macbook Air, Ipad Air, and an I Phone 6S+.. I have everything digitally (including Black Rifle on and Black Rifle II) in PDFs and JPG for manuals. I am just old school and loke to turn the pages.

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Brovet! You rock. Thank you for your work on the manuals. The earliest I have is the one with the XM148 grenade launcher. I have an original of the 1969 comic book, but it is getting worn. Color printer at work here I come!

Thanks again

You old men in here you really need to purchase a quality tablet lol Bernie that's you. By the time you get those printed with the cost of color ink you could have bought a used/open box display model iPad from Best Buy. Also the the technology today you can read them anywhere. Yes I have backups but my manuals are in the clouds lol. That's why I want your E1! DRAFT. I have tried to explain technology to my parents. Seems like a lost cause some times lol. They just don't get it haha. My dad finally got a Samsung smart phone, just couldn't let go of the flip phone lol. Both my mom and dad are 77 years old. Lol check this link out. You can get them cheaper in the store. I have this model.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/apple-ipad-air-2-wi-fi-64gb-silver/3313016.p?id=1219090214674&skuId=3313016

Hahaha I have a Macbook Air, Ipad Air, and an I Phone 6S+.. I have everything digitally (including Black Rifle on and Black Rifle II) in PDFs and JPG for manuals. I am just old school and loke to turn the pages.

Lol

I'm just giving you a hard time. Thanks for your service as well.

Posted: 5/29/2016 9:13:57 PM EDT

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Thank you for posting these. The progression of change for lubrication and cleaning standards is fascinating. Do you know the context or time frame for the photo?

Two comments from the olden days:

You mentioned later about keeping the ejection port closed. It was continually harped upon, to the point it became an automatic response, for us to keep the ejection port cover closed. I still do this reflexively forty-odd years later.

We were taught that the best way to lay down an even film of lubricant was to use a shaving brush. We were required to purchase one (they were not an item of issue), keep it in our cleaning pouch and produce it upon demand. I still use one for this purpose even today.

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This picture speaks volumes about the availability of cleaning kits in Vietnam. LSA, shave brush, various toothbrushes, screwdriver and a type of combination wrench. Also notice the extent of disassembly. This was not permitted as operator level maintenance as manuals were distributed. Also this is after the Into of the new buffer that replaced the edgewater. That shaving brush is worthless and notice the lack of chamber and bore brushes. Basically the chamber and bore got no effective cleaning. This led to rusty corroded chambers which would make extraction a bitch. Also cause sheared rims. They really had no idea on proper maintenance of the M16A1/XM16E1 rifle. Basically this field level complete disassembly did nothing to really clean the weapon. A real waste of time didn't effectivly clean the rifle and there was a huge risk to lose critical parts. Took the Army till 1970 to publish an OK maintenance manual. To open the 74 manual you may have to download I had to break it into two parts to scan it. You can download all if you want for reference.

<a href="http://s268.photobucket.com/user/tom051876/media/2016-05/BBEA22EC-7AE0-48A6-8431-026F03ACC1DE_zps3zhqe670.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj19/tom051876/2016-05/BBEA22EC-7AE0-48A6-8431-026F03ACC1DE_zps3zhqe670.jpeg</a>

Here is the 1965 manual in which the rifles are shown completely disassembled without any mention of proper maintenance.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9hAva_yxlzPV0xwal9Eem5TRTg

In 1966 Manual 2
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9hAva_yxlzPaFVST2hPS0s1VXM
August 1966 XM16E1/XM148 GL manual
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9hAva_yxlzPOUJkVGpBR21nckk

1968 Operators and Orgsnizational Maintenance Manual
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9hAva_yxlzPSFZPc2IwbDY3MzQ

1970 M16A1 Operators manual. Vast improvement in cleaning maintenance
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9hAva_yxlzPVFdMejVHVnVlazg

Finally 1974 some good information on cleaning and marksmanship but bassically the war was over for US forces.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9hAva_yxlzPdlpuamJiSm5hS28

1974 Manual part 2.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9hAva_yxlzPcFlwWXpUdF94ZTQ

1969 this PS Magazine came out way to late and I'm sure most troops had figured it out by then.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9hAva_yxlzPbUMzNG5WOEo0V3M

Thank you for posting these. The progression of change for lubrication and cleaning standards is fascinating. Do you know the context or time frame for the photo?

Two comments from the olden days:

You mentioned later about keeping the ejection port closed. It was continually harped upon, to the point it became an automatic response, for us to keep the ejection port cover closed. I still do this reflexively forty-odd years later.

We were taught that the best way to lay down an even film of lubricant was to use a shaving brush. We were required to purchase one (they were not an item of issue), keep it in our cleaning pouch and produce it upon demand. I still use one for this purpose even today.

No I just found it online but with the buffer its around the beginning of 1967 or later. It's sitting on plywood and you can see sandbags and the lighting indicates its outside. Not a typical unit maintenance facility even in the field. I wasn't in Vietnam but I doubt unit armorers worked on weapons in the open like that.

Here is a complete set of war era maps of Vietnam. Like all of them lol on PDFs for download. https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9hAva_yxlzPfjFfQXAyZlRiMUx3QUxTWnIzS1pNTWRfYVItc2FkTk5vRUNObGFkampVVHM

Posted: 5/29/2016 9:17:49 PM EDT

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Wrench is from the "PIG", M60 machine gun. Loose it an you might have a heavy single shot.

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The Pig manual 1964. Had to break it into two parts as well.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9hAva_yxlzPMklxVzhneTF6eXc

Posted: 5/29/2016 9:27:40 PM EDT

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OST

Posted: 5/29/2016 9:31:14 PM EDT

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The Pig manual 1964. Had to break it into two parts as well.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9hAva_yxlzPMklxVzhneTF6eXc

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Wrench is from the "PIG", M60 machine gun. Loose it an you might have a heavy single shot.

The Pig manual 1964. Had to break it into two parts as well.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9hAva_yxlzPMklxVzhneTF6eXc

Thanks for the M60 manual.

In the Army, I shot the "Pig" in basic training in early 1974, and then qualified with it that summer in AIT after basic. That was all I did with it 1974 to 1979. Then I joined a USAF mixed Reserve/National Guard Security Police outfit in 1979. I was conned into going to Security Police Tactics School at Lackland AFB (actually Camp Bullis) when the CO billed it as Air Force SWAT school. Being a civilian cop on a small 5 man dept. at the time, I figured training is good. Well I found out it was actually Air Base Ground Defense, and I was one of the flight's two designated M60 gunners! I lugged that dirty bitch all over the bush at Camp Bullis for two weeks. Shooting blanks most of the time, I had to clean it every night while everyone else was getting beers at the All Ranks club!

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Thanks for the M60 manual.

In the Army, I shot the "Pig" in basic training in early 1974, and then qualified with it that summer in AIT after basic. That was all I did with it 1974 to 1979. Then I joined a USAF mixed Reserve/National Guard Security Police outfit in 1979. I was conned into going to Security Police Tactics School at Lackland AFB (actually Camp Bullis) when the CO billed it as Air Force SWAT school. Being a civilian cop on a small 5 man dept. at the time, I figured training is good. Well I found out it was actually Air Base Ground Defense, and I was one of the flight's two designated M60 gunners! I lugged that dirty bitch all over the bush at Camp Bullis for two weeks. Shooting blanks most of the time, I had to clean it every night while everyone else was getting beers at the All Ranks club!

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Wrench is from the "PIG", M60 machine gun. Loose it an you might have a heavy single shot.

The Pig manual 1964. Had to break it into two parts as well.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9hAva_yxlzPMklxVzhneTF6eXc

Thanks for the M60 manual.

In the Army, I shot the "Pig" in basic training in early 1974, and then qualified with it that summer in AIT after basic. That was all I did with it 1974 to 1979. Then I joined a USAF mixed Reserve/National Guard Security Police outfit in 1979. I was conned into going to Security Police Tactics School at Lackland AFB (actually Camp Bullis) when the CO billed it as Air Force SWAT school. Being a civilian cop on a small 5 man dept. at the time, I figured training is good. Well I found out it was actually Air Base Ground Defense, and I was one of the flight's two designated M60 gunners! I lugged that dirty bitch all over the bush at Camp Bullis for two weeks. Shooting blanks most of the time, I had to clean it every night while everyone else was getting beers at the All Ranks club!

I learned the M60 in basic during US Weapons as we stilled used in for a bit after. Been in 23 years. No 60s to be found anymore. Bernie you got what we call in the Army Blue Falconed. Lol. Oh here is the mother load of retro manuals. I've been posting this occasionally in the PIF thread. Lol nobody pays attention to me lol. Here yah go.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9hAva_yxlzPNUxaa0psb0RXWUU