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Posted: 9/2/2015 11:42:54 PM EDT
So I had some time off work and decided to build some 607 stocks
 I started by downloading all the pics I could off the interwebs, and studying a My65pan version for a week or two, picked stoners brain a bit, and did a lot of trial and error. Below is the plate and lever I came up with. I thought I would start a thread to show the progress and too elicit input as to what folks are looking for in them, like solid stocks for communist states, maybe a permanent locked open model? TSI/bolt on style etc... All of the work is being done with a manual Bridgeport, and an old Cincinnati Lathe, a band saw, sander and good old hand files. I am building and testing different lock rod tubes right now, and tweaking the lever design a bit. I will post pics of those soon. Here is the progress. This is prototype #1, it is at the anodizer right now.   Side view, I think I like the thinner one best??  This is what I started with.  Then it turned into this.  Then had it engraved, and cut it out.   |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 11:47:34 PM EDT
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Im in for one - and they look great.
Not sure I like the thicker or thinner one -- love them both. keep it up ! ! |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 11:52:07 PM EDT
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WOW!! Impressive, I'll be watching this thread also. It would be so nice for
someone to be able to produce these and bring the price back to where the average joe could afford one. |
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Posted: 9/3/2015 8:32:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: WOW!! Impressive, I'll be watching this thread also. It would be so nice for someone to be able to produce these and bring the price back to where the average joe could afford one. |
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Posted: 9/3/2015 3:15:26 PM EDT
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Keep up the good work!
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Posted: 9/3/2015 9:22:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Awesome! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So I had some time off work and decided to build some 607 stocks I started by downloading all the pics I could off the interwebs, and studying a My65pan version for a week or two, picked stoners brain a bit, and did a lot of trial and error. Below is the plate and lever I came up with. I thought I would start a thread to show the progress and too elicit input as to what folks are looking for in them, like solid stocks for communist states, maybe a permanent locked open model? TSI/bolt on style etc... All of the work is being done with a manual Bridgeport, and an old Cincinnati Lathe, a band saw, sander and good old hand files. I am building and testing different lock rod tubes right now, and tweaking the lever design a bit. I will post pics of those soon. Here is the progress. Awesome!  |
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Posted: 9/3/2015 10:13:05 PM EDT
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Great results. Always amazes me so many talented folks gather in this corner of ArfCom.
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Posted: 9/4/2015 6:46:39 PM EDT
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I would like to talk about buying a stock from you, I'll send an email, to discuss the particulars.
Once again the members on this board blow me away with the skill and tenacity of their efforts, simply put - WOW! |
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Posted: 9/4/2015 11:07:58 PM EDT
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Hey guys, I appreciate all the interest in the stocks! Thanks for the emails, but its a little more than I'm prepared for right now. I understand the excitement, and I will open an EE add for pre sales if thats whats desired.
I would like to keep this thread for suggestions, critiques and updates of the process.  So I got these back from the anodizer... believe it or not these are the same color... I took 000 steel wool to the one that looks lighter and it turned out ok. I am going to try to have them get them a little grayer out the door. What do you guys think? It didn't seem to be a transfer from the steel wool to the anodize its like it evened it out. The lowers and upper are all original finish.  |
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Posted: 9/4/2015 11:29:02 PM EDT
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Those are looking really nice! Great work so far.
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Posted: 9/4/2015 11:45:59 PM EDT
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Are you doing a complete up recreation of the whole stock, or just the latch? If you're doing the whole stock, do the lowers have to be drilled & tapped?
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Posted: 9/5/2015 6:07:45 AM EDT
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The anodizing looks great
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Posted: 9/5/2015 8:55:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those are looking really nice! Great work so far. |
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Posted: 9/5/2015 9:03:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you doing a complete up recreation of the whole stock, or just the latch? If you're doing the whole stock, do the lowers have to be drilled & tapped? I am fooling around with a bolt on only design. For a bolt on you can't use a regular buffer tube because with a plate on the back of the receiver the lip of the tube doesn't extend in enough to hold the buffer retainer in place. I have found a few ways around this. I'm still playing with them. |
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Posted: 9/5/2015 9:09:30 AM EDT
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When you put the ad in the EE for preorders, what section will you put it under? That way we can keep our eyes open for it. You are doing an AWESOME job!
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Posted: 9/5/2015 11:26:53 AM EDT
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I am fooling around with a bolt on only design. For a bolt on you can't use a regular buffer tube because with a plate on the back of the receiver the lip of the tube doesn't extend in enough to hold the buffer retainer in place. I have found a few ways around this. I'm still playing with them. I hope you find a way around it. 
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Posted: 9/6/2015 9:55:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hope you find a way around it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I am fooling around with a bolt on only design. For a bolt on you can't use a regular buffer tube because with a plate on the back of the receiver the lip of the tube doesn't extend in enough to hold the buffer retainer in place. I have found a few ways around this. I'm still playing with them. I hope you find a way around it. @M16Indiana, I will post with retro and 607 in the title probably under lower parts, new, or accessories.
I turned down a carbine tube.  IMG_2061 by Deer Hunter, on Flickr" />Then I turned down the lock nut and added a notch for the spanner wrench.. This is the only part I don't like about this design. |
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Posted: 9/6/2015 10:02:34 PM EDT
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Awesome work!!! you are undertaking a Giant project. Very commendable.
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Posted: 9/6/2015 10:42:06 PM EDT
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You will actually get your choice of design good sir. Here is choice #1 I will of course anodize them for you. @M16Indiana, I will post with retro and 607 in the title probably under lower parts, new, or accessories. I turned down a carbine tube. http://<a href=https://farm1.staticflickr.com/610/21188444241_41473c9f9f_c.jpg</a>IMG_2061 by Deer Hunter, on Flickr" /> Then I turned down the lock nut and added a notch for the spanner wrench.. This is the only part I don't like about this design. http://<a href=https://farm1.staticflickr.com/663/20558979443_acea0acd3c_c.jpg</a>IMG_2089 by Deer Hunter, on Flickr" /> http://<a href=https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5622/20993259809_8496c39790_c.jpg</a>IMG_2088 by Deer Hunter, on Flickr" />
http://<a href=https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5803/20557384114_268fe4f053_c.jpg</a>IMG_2087 by Deer Hunter, on Flickr" /> http://<a href=https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5829/20992028890_76a2e5acd2_c.jpg</a>IMG_2091 by Deer Hunter, on Flickr" /> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am fooling around with a bolt on only design. For a bolt on you can't use a regular buffer tube because with a plate on the back of the receiver the lip of the tube doesn't extend in enough to hold the buffer retainer in place. I have found a few ways around this. I'm still playing with them. I hope you find a way around it. @M16Indiana, I will post with retro and 607 in the title probably under lower parts, new, or accessories. I turned down a carbine tube. http://<a href=https://farm1.staticflickr.com/610/21188444241_41473c9f9f_c.jpg</a>IMG_2061 by Deer Hunter, on Flickr" /> Then I turned down the lock nut and added a notch for the spanner wrench.. This is the only part I don't like about this design. http://<a href=https://farm1.staticflickr.com/663/20558979443_acea0acd3c_c.jpg</a>IMG_2089 by Deer Hunter, on Flickr" /> http://<a href=https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5622/20993259809_8496c39790_c.jpg</a>IMG_2088 by Deer Hunter, on Flickr" />
http://<a href=https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5803/20557384114_268fe4f053_c.jpg</a>IMG_2087 by Deer Hunter, on Flickr" /> http://<a href=https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5829/20992028890_76a2e5acd2_c.jpg</a>IMG_2091 by Deer Hunter, on Flickr" /> http://damageindustriesllc.com/product/receiver-extension-buffer-tube-pistol-wqd-socket-1190-od If you decide to go that route there are receiver extensions for pistol builds^^ that use carbine hardware, may save a bit of time. |
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Posted: 9/7/2015 1:14:05 AM EDT
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Looking amazing
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Posted: 9/7/2015 9:03:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: http://damageindustriesllc.com/product/receiver-extension-buffer-tube-pistol-wqd-socket-1190-od If you decide to go that route there are receiver extensions for pistol builds^^ that use carbine hardware, may save a bit of time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I am fooling around with a bolt on only design. For a bolt on you can't use a regular buffer tube because with a plate on the back of the receiver the lip of the tube doesn't extend in enough to hold the buffer retainer in place. I have found a few ways around this. I'm still playing with them. I hope you find a way around it. @M16Indiana, I will post with retro and 607 in the title probably under lower parts, new, or accessories. I turned down a carbine tube. http://<a href=https://farm1.staticflickr.com/610/21188444241_41473c9f9f_c.jpg</a>IMG_2061 by Deer Hunter, on Flickr" /> Then I turned down the lock nut and added a notch for the spanner wrench.. This is the only part I don't like about this design. http://<a href=https://farm1.staticflickr.com/663/20558979443_acea0acd3c_c.jpg</a>IMG_2089 by Deer Hunter, on Flickr" /> http://<a href=https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5622/20993259809_8496c39790_c.jpg</a>IMG_2088 by Deer Hunter, on Flickr" /> http://<a href=https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5803/20557384114_268fe4f053_c.jpg</a>IMG_2087 by Deer Hunter, on Flickr" /> http://<a href=https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5829/20992028890_76a2e5acd2_c.jpg</a>IMG_2091 by Deer Hunter, on Flickr" /> http://damageindustriesllc.com/product/receiver-extension-buffer-tube-pistol-wqd-socket-1190-od If you decide to go that route there are receiver extensions for pistol builds^^ that use carbine hardware, may save a bit of time. I have a receiver extension bottom tap for chasing. If I can get it to start, I may make some lock rings myself What I don't like about this design though is the dimple for the spanner wrench. It winds up at the 10:00 position. Besides using a strap wrench I don't know how you would get it tight enough without it? Even then you risk it loosening. Any ideas? |
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Posted: 9/7/2015 10:17:47 AM EDT
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You are make some very happy souls around here, including me!
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Posted: 9/7/2015 5:12:00 PM EDT
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50 stock plates are off to member DZyner for engraving!
here is a close up sample of the letters |
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Posted: 9/7/2015 5:14:24 PM EDT
[#24]
Nice
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Posted: 9/7/2015 5:43:02 PM EDT
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In-on-1 / tagged / subscribed / whatever... heck this thread is just plain awesome, so yeah & a big Thank You to the OP for the large-head forward assist he sent me
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Posted: 9/7/2015 6:25:39 PM EDT
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When these become available for sale I will be broke.
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Posted: 9/8/2015 12:44:02 PM EDT
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I'd be happy with faux set up, cool,short, & look the part.
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Posted: 9/8/2015 5:18:56 PM EDT
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Did you try sandblasting?
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Posted: 9/8/2015 5:20:41 PM EDT
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Didn't the original get a cross pin?
Don |
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Posted: 9/8/2015 5:22:17 PM EDT
[#30]
Damn that looks good!
When you want a deposit let me know. Don |
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Posted: 9/8/2015 6:22:19 PM EDT
[#31]
Definitely some nice work! I'd love to put one on my 605, but just can't right now. I applaud your efforts though.
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Posted: 9/8/2015 9:29:06 PM EDT
[#32]
Looks awesome!
Been trying to get a 607 stock for over 2 years! I will also be broke when these become available! |
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Posted: 9/8/2015 11:16:34 PM EDT
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When these become available for sale I will be broke. I agree !!! OP, I'd Love to get one of these when they're done. If you need a Donor "D" Stock, let me know. |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 7:56:32 PM EDT
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@FlDiveCop71  aww shucks.@spunk, I hope so @YF856, I haven't seen you in a while, thanks for popping in! I hope all is well. @DCDavidson I blast with glass before engraving and ano? I think the there was a cross pin, I have a design and will make a prototype grommet model in the future. Thanks for the compliment! @CHIEF & Morg Thanks  I will bust my tail on these when I get home though, so I can post some of these up on EE.... I am in DC right now and hope to make it down to the VA war museum to see their 607. I am surprised there isn't one at the NRA museum?? To bad Aberdeen is closed  So heres whats consuming my time in the shop. If you've looked around and obsessed over these like I have you may have seen some issues with the lock pin damaging the tube sleeve in some previous repros. I made and test fired multiple designs, and burnt up ALOT! of ammo. Stoner25 suggested a square pin would transfer less force to the tube. I was initially worried because my design was using 1026 DOM tubing. I was worried it may not be hard enough and deform with recoil. Long story short there were no problems with the square pin on the 1026 during test fire, but I elected to go with the stronger 4130 chrome moly instead. 4130 chrome moly will be used from now on though. I over-shot the turn downs intentionally to make room for the square on the radius of the turn |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 8:59:37 PM EDT
[#35]
That's looking great. Its awesome that you are doing some R&D to make these stocks stand up to the recoil.
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Posted: 9/10/2015 9:26:33 PM EDT
[#36]
I have been avoiding this thread because I am trying very hard to stop buying guns and gun parts--and I do NOT need to build a 607.
But now I've looked. And now I want to build a 607. 
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Posted: 9/10/2015 9:30:52 PM EDT
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I have been avoiding this thread because I am trying very hard to stop buying guns and gun parts--and I do NOT need to build a 607. But now I've looked. And now I want to build a 607. I've owned 607 handguards for my project for 3 years, and the TSI stock that I've lent to the OP for 2.5yrs. It's by far my longest ongoing gun project.
Welcome to the party pal
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Posted: 9/10/2015 10:27:01 PM EDT
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I am in DC right now and hope to make it down to the VA war museum to see their 607. I am surprised there isn't one at the NRA museum?? To bad Aberdeen is closed
Aberdeen is only for research now, no training as it was not a TRADOC facility. Ordnance relocated training and the museum from APG, Maryland to FT Lee, Virginia, some of the collection is on display in the Quartermaster Museum. I think, the new Ordnance Museum is under construction, when it is opened I'm taking several weekend trips there with a good digital camera only a couple hours drive from Portsmouth. Most of my old 35mm pics from inside the old Ordnance Museum at APG didn't develop correctly. I attended our favorite Uncle's machinist school while at APG some years ago.
http://www.qmmuseum.lee.army.mil/temp_exhibits.html The Virginia War Museum is okay...well they actually do have some pretty good displays for a small museum. A quick trip across the river for me. 
A few pics either my wife or I took on our visit. They have it identified as an XM177E2  . I don't think they really give a damn either.  Geez, it's hard to get a pic through acrylic panels with all the glare from the lighting.
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Posted: 9/10/2015 10:32:08 PM EDT
[#39]
There's one at the Rock Island Arsenal also
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Posted: 9/10/2015 11:16:21 PM EDT
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There's one at the Rock Island Arsenal also One is apparently in the ATF's gun room as well. How many more originals are known to exist?? |
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Posted: 9/11/2015 10:33:26 AM EDT
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Damn, that 607 looks really nice, in very good condition. Is that a Full Curve 30rd Mag in the 607 ? |
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Posted: 9/13/2015 10:55:35 PM EDT
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I've owned 607 handguards for my project for 3 years, and the TSI stock that I've lent to the OP for 2.5yrs. It's by far my longest ongoing gun project.
Welcome to the party pal Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have been avoiding this thread because I am trying very hard to stop buying guns and gun parts--and I do NOT need to build a 607. But now I've looked. And now I want to build a 607. I've owned 607 handguards for my project for 3 years, and the TSI stock that I've lent to the OP for 2.5yrs. It's by far my longest ongoing gun project.
Welcome to the party pal I swore off building this variant but WTH? It's only time and money...
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Posted: 9/15/2015 9:32:39 AM EDT
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Your picture could be used against you in a court of law! Glad you weren't in Dallas. Wish I could shoot out of my shop! You continue to astound! The Aberdeen Gun room can be accessed by appointment. I know a photographer who did some of the pictures for the big AK book. He gained access via a request through the Special Forces Museum. They did the request for him. It didn't take very long, maybe a week or two.
Just an idea. Thanks for the update. BTW are there any heat treatment concerns when using chrome moly or HSS cutters? I get so deflection on larger ChrMolly. Just asking a master a build question. Ready for a deposit? Thanks Don |
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Posted: 9/15/2015 10:13:22 AM EDT
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One is apparently in the ATF's gun room as well. How many more originals are known to exist?? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There's one at the Rock Island Arsenal also One is apparently in the ATF's gun room as well. How many more originals are known to exist?? I think there are seven (7) of them in Reed Knight's collection alone. Va Gun museum, Rock Island has one, one in a museum in OK (the one that 101ABN327 took all the detailed pics of)....one up in a museum in WA that WATom blueprinted when he originally started making TSI stocks, I know of one in a museum in Germany, and I think I've seen it stated that maybe at Ft Bragg and Benning. Others I'm sure, but those are the ones I can think of right off. |
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Posted: 9/15/2015 5:36:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your picture could be used against you in a court of law! Glad you weren't in Dallas. Wish I could shoot out of my shop! You continue to astound! The Aberdeen Gun room can be accessed by appointment. I know a photographer who did some of the pictures for the big AK book. He gained access via a request through the Special Forces Museum. They did the request for him. It didn't take very long, maybe a week or two. Just an idea. Thanks for the update. BTW are there any heat treatment concerns when using chrome moly or HSS cutters? I get so deflection on larger ChrMolly. Just asking a master a build question. Ready for a deposit? Thanks Don So I am in NO way an expert on any of this stuff, I know very little about heat treating too. I tried to carburize the 1026 DOM tubing when I was using the round 3/16 pin, but it had little effect. The chrome moly should harden a little on a heat treat/quench, but I think its unnecessary with the addition of the square 1/4 inch pin. (Thank you Stoner25!) I know member Redbay had some on another post that his son made if you want one ASAP I will knock some out as quick as I can when I get back home in two weeks. |
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Posted: 9/15/2015 5:44:46 PM EDT
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I think there are seven (7) of them in Reed Knight's collection alone. Va Gun museum, Rock Island has one, one in a museum in OK (the one that 101ABN327 took all the detailed pics of)....one up in a museum in WA that WATom blueprinted when he originally started making TSI stocks, I know of one in a museum in Germany, and I think I've seen it stated that maybe at Ft Bragg and Benning. Others I'm sure, but those are the ones I can think of right off. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There's one at the Rock Island Arsenal also One is apparently in the ATF's gun room as well. How many more originals are known to exist?? I think there are seven (7) of them in Reed Knight's collection alone. Va Gun museum, Rock Island has one, one in a museum in OK (the one that 101ABN327 took all the detailed pics of)....one up in a museum in WA that WATom blueprinted when he originally started making TSI stocks, I know of one in a museum in Germany, and I think I've seen it stated that maybe at Ft Bragg and Benning. Others I'm sure, but those are the ones I can think of right off. At least one at Ft Bragg incorrectly standing in at the Son Tay display. The Tennessee National Guard had one in a mobile display trailer they used for recruiting purposes at fairs and other events. |
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Posted: 9/15/2015 5:48:27 PM EDT
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In for future checking account depletion!
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Posted: 9/18/2015 9:41:53 AM EDT
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sure would be nice to have this kind of patience and skill nice work
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Posted: 9/18/2015 10:33:44 AM EDT
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Outstanding! You can spot harden the locking slots by getting them red hot and pouring sugar over them. An old cam grinding trick.
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Posted: 9/18/2015 10:54:05 AM EDT
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Outstanding! You can spot harden the locking slots by getting them red hot and pouring sugar over them. An old cam grinding trick. The several stocks that I have done I used O1 steel for the tube.........and spot hardened the slots, quenching in oil. Chromoly would also oil quench. |
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